This One "Nation Under God" Rubbish

[Makhno]

Yeah, God is with America all the way. But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Opps!

 

[Justagurl]

Yeah, God is with America all the way. But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Opps!

In fairness, not all Americans are Christian. And why is it you think Christianity has the monopoly on this whole God as a personal enforcer business? Muslims and Jews also believe God will protect them.

 

[rathi]

I do not support religion in the political or governmental arena. However I could really care less what the messages on our coins are. It is such a minor issue that it is not worth the effort to fight for. It is mostly just a stupid way of grabbing publicity. Those who are truly against religion in politics choose to speak against things that actually matter.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Seem to recall that God spent most of the first half of the Bible being just that.

And every Christian nation in history has claimed that God was on their side, in every war they've fought-- against Christian, Muslim, and infidel alike. This... is nothing new.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Yeah, God is with America all the way.

Is he? I think Lincoln said it best with: "I am not at all concerned about that,” he replied, “for I know the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I would be on the Lord’s side.”

I doubt that God is on our side (mainly because I doubt his existence), but for those concerned, shouldn't they be concerned with being on god's side?

 

[petey]

Oh, you guys thought that the word "God" in the phrase was referring to your deity?

One Nation Under GOD (Gold, Oil, Drugs).

 

[stsburns]

Yeah, God is with America all the way. But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Opps!

How do you pay your bills? Get it? $$$$$$$

 

[Sammy2]

Yeah, God is with America all the way. But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Opps!

You're right. You are not correct. You should pick up a bible and read a little bit. You'll have a better idea.

England was so special that so many fled...for religious reasons...to America. So if you want to get down to brass bs tax, England is responsible for all things American. Including the war in Iraq...and all due to England's religious persecution of a certain sect of Christianity.

So get over it.

 

[saggyjones]

England was so special that so many fled...for religious reasons...to America. So if you want to get down to brass bs tax, England is responsible for all things American. Including the war in Iraq...and all due to England's religious persecution of a certain sect of Christianity.

That's like saying Hitler's great-great-great-great grandparents are responsible for the Holocaust.

 

[AYFR]

Oh, you guys thought that the word "God" in the phrase was referring to your deity?

One Nation Under GOD (Gold, Oil, Drugs).

Hi Petey:2wave:

 

[Sammy2]

That's like saying Hitler's great-great-great-great grandparents are responsible for the Holocaust.

Not so.

It's like saying that someone from England who has an issue with religious overtones that America established hundreds of years ago and were due to the FACT that England chased people out of England for religious reasons, really has no leg to stand on.


Don't see the Hitler connection at all.

 

[Makhno]

Not so.

It's like saying that someone from England who has an issue with religious overtones that America established hundreds of years ago and were due to the FACT that England chased people out of England for religious reasons, really has no leg to stand on.

I'm not English. :doh :mrgreen:

And even if I was, what you're saying is nonsense.

 

[Sammy2]

I'm not English. :doh :mrgreen:

And even if I was, what you're saying is nonsense.

Well I apologize. Where is Wales then?

And no, what I said based on where it seemed you were coming from is not nonsense. It's the way it is. And remains so.

Rubbish is garbage in America.

Sammy

 

[Makhno]

Well I apologize. Where is Wales then?

And no, what I said based on where it seemed you were coming from is not nonsense. It's the way it is. And remains so.

Rubbish is garbage in America.

Sammy

OK so religious nutts kick out some other religious nutts . . . and it's still England/Britain's fault . . . a country which is today mostly atheist/agnostic?:shock:

 

[Harshaw]

Yeah, God is with America all the way. But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Opps!

Ummm . . .

I don't think "one nation, under God, indivisible" in any way implies "the only nation God likes" or "God does what we want."

Seems to me you've either never read the piece from which that quote comes or you don't understand what the passage means.

 

[Sammy2]

OK so religious nutts kick out some other religious nutts . . . and it's still England/Britain's fault . . . a country which is today mostly atheist/agnostic?:shock:

Huh? :whothere:

 

[Light]

I do not support religion in the political or governmental arena. However I could really care less what the messages on our coins are. It is such a minor issue that it is not worth the effort to fight for. It is mostly just a stupid way of grabbing publicity. Those who are truly against religion in politics choose to speak against things that actually matter.

i agree completely. Although its strange that "under god" was added to our pledge, but i simply skip over the words. i know that this really doesn't fix the problem of separation of church and state, but i think that there are more pressing issues to deal with besides these.

and, besides, if god is everywhere, how can the US be under him?! wouldnt the US be like, inside of him? haha

 

[PoliticalActivist]

Hahahahaha This Nation is under a GOD? Umm Where? Where?, and yeah its a bunch of rubbish. The United Snakes is a nation that believes in Capitalism,
and its the governments way or no way at all. This is a so-called GOD fearing nation, and yet it is doing away with prayer in the schools, and it has removed the 10 commandments of GOD from public government buildings. In God's eyesight we are suppose to live peacefully amoung ourselves, and one can not call discrimination, racism, hate, crime isn't living Godly. Bush be llying everytime he uses GODs name in vain, and those who believe that MAD-TV looking chracter is in vain also. Regardless to what faith or religion one must practice that's a individual choice, but to be told how to worship is a human rights violation, and if we don't wake up soon...if there's a hell below we all gonna go. So living in America under a false leadership we are headed in the wrong direction. Don't talk about the honorable Minister Farrakhan or Al Sharpton who freely express their opinions. When there is Whites who is doing the same damn thing the Minister and the Rev is doing. In closing we are the government who elect certain individuals to run the government for us, and until we realize that fact we will remain confused forever.

 

[Columbusite]

The phrase "One Nation Under God" is just used by Christians to give them some sort of validation of their beliefs and to back them up with governmental power.

 

[Sammy2]

i agree completely. Although its strange that "under god" was added to our pledge, but i simply skip over the words. i know that this really doesn't fix the problem of separation of church and state, but i think that there are more pressing issues to deal with besides these.

and, besides, if god is everywhere, how can the US be under him?! wouldnt the US be like, inside of him? haha

Under God means "under the direction of God".

Separation of church and state means that you do not have to be of a certain religion in order to be elected to a public office. No more and no less. At least it was the original intent behind that oh so overused phrase to get God out of anything historical in the US.

As a disclaimer, I'm not overly religious in any way shape or form. The twisting of the purpose behind the original intent in the consitution is pathetic. It's been used by too many groups to get the principals that the USA was founded on, which are, like it or not, Christian principals, reduced to "poo". Try that in the ME somewhere. Try walking around in Saudi with your head uncovered...or driving a car if you are a woman...and then go protest, out loud , about their incorrigible belief system that their country was founded on. See how far you get.

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[Columbusite]

Under God means "under the direction of God".

Separation of church and state means that you do not have to be of a certain religion in order to be elected to a public office. No more and no less. At least it was the original intent behind that oh so overused phrase to get God out of anything historical in the US.

As a disclaimer, I'm not overly religious in any way shape or form. The twisting of the purpose behind the original intent in the consitution is pathetic. It's been used by too many groups to get the principals that the USA was founded on, which are, like it or not, Christian principals, reduced to "poo". Try that in the ME somewhere. Try walking around in Saudi with your head uncovered...or driving a car if you are a woman...and then go protest, out loud , about their incorrigible belief system that their country was founded on. See how far you get.

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It is more. Separation of Church & State keeps the government out of religion and vice-versa. The Constitution calls for a neutral stance. The government stating that it is under the direction of God is not neutral.

I'm sorry, you're going to have to clarify some your points further otherwise I'll just be assuming what you meant. What was the phrase's original intent? What specifically Christian principals was this country founded on? What does Saudi Arabia have to do with this? They're a theocracy as were most US colonies where expressing disbelief in the trinity or Jesus could end up with an execution. Are those the Christian principles you're talking about?

 

[Sammy2]

Hahahahaha This Nation is under a GOD? Umm Where? Where?, and yeah its a bunch of rubbish. The United Snakes is a nation that believes in Capitalism,
and its the governments way or no way at all.

Really? You have the ability to vote who you want in the government. Don't act like you don't have a say. United Snakes? Dude, it's a small hop over the border for you.....

This is a so-called GOD fearing nation, and yet it is doing away with prayer in the schools, and it has removed the 10 commandments of GOD from public government buildings.

The vocal minority always wins because they either have no job to keep them busy or they prefer the socialist type of life. Let the millionares work their butts off, never see their families and that way all the slugs can have 8 kids, live off of welfare in some trailer park or equivelent of a house, and boo-hoo about what they "don't have" while the Donald Trumps of the country learn how to use birth control and/or finish high school....while, everyone else in one cent away from bankruptcy land reaps the benefits. Vocal minority.

In God's eyesight we are suppose to live peacefully amoung ourselves, and one can not call discrimination, racism, hate, crime isn't living Godly.

That has nothing to do with human nature and especially when there are no options presented to children who don't have the fear of anything instilled in them. If you knew anything about religion you would know the little thing called "free will". It doesn't take a village, as Hillary tried to imply and is trying again, to raise good children. It takes a good family. If there is no family structure ..what is there? Fear of the Wiccan next door or the nearest drug dealer? No. It's a free for all.

Bush be llying everytime he uses GODs name in vain, and those who believe that MAD-TV looking chracter is in vain also.

"llying"? What do you know about taking God's name in vain? Seriously, what does MAD tv have to do with anything?

Regardless to what faith or religion one must practice that's a individual choice, but to be told how to worship is a human rights violation, and if we don't wake up soon...if there's a hell below we all gonna go.

Who is telling you to worship something you don't want to? Give me a break already. :roll:

So living in America under a false leadership we are headed in the wrong direction.

What?

Don't talk about the honorable Minister Farrakhan or Al Sharpton who freely express their opinions. When there is Whites who is doing the same damn thing the Minister and the Rev is doing.

Dude, when the President of the US starts talking about killing, erradicating, getting rid of, etc., whites, I'll call ya. Because the honroable Freakakhan refuses to acknowledge exactly who it was who sold blacks into slavery (look it up...Muslims might be a word you'll run across as well as story or two about blacks selling their own bits and pieces of their tribes to Europeans who happened to bring them the the US.)

In closing we are the government who elect certain individuals to run the government for us, and until we realize that fact we will remain confused forever.

I'm confused by your above statement. What does that mean? Who peed in your cheerios and what exactly are you upset about? Who is feeding you your misinformation?

Sammy

 

[Sammy2]

t is more. Separation of Church & State keeps the government out of religion and vice-versa. The Constitution calls for a neutral stance. The government stating that it is under the direction of God is not neutral.

Obviously it did not given the butt hairs people are focusing on . The constitution was worded in the way it was to PROHIBIT people of a certain religion being the ONLY ones allowed to be in govt'. Freedom OF, not Freedom FROM.

Im sorry, you're going to have to clarify some your points further otherwise I'll just be assuming what you meant. What was the phrase's original intent?
What specifically Christian principals was this country founded on?

You don't know, yet you try to argue a point?

What does Saudi Arabia have to do with this?

Tolerance of one over another. Would you go to Saudi and raise a stink over their religious issues and try to change things over there? Would you go to any EU country and protest their outdated "royal" garbage (that the tax payers subsidize)? Would you go to any country and settle down as a citizen and then protest what has been for 300+ years in that culture?

They're a theocracy as were most US colonies where expressing disbelief in the trinity or Jesus could end up with an execution. Are those the Christian principles you're talking about?

I'm not talking about "were". I'm talking present day and the US is certainly NOT a theocracy. Your version of the consitution says so. And I'm sorry, but where did I bring up any specifics as to Christian principals and what they are? I don't know them off-hand. Do you know them well enough to think you insulted a Christian on my end?

Just wondering?

Sammy

 

[QueerNation]

Yeah, God is with America all the way. But am I not correct in thinking that viewing God as your own personal enforcer is tantamount to blasphemy in Christian religion?

Opps!

YES. I think that 'onenationundergod' should be removed from the English language though. It's a very narrow-minded statement and as an atheist, I find it incredibly offensive. I would feel a little better if it said one nation under GODS, because that would not entail that we are all so monotheistic. Wherever there is monotheism there is also tyranny and hypocrisy.

 

[ARealConservative]

I'm not English. :doh :mrgreen:

And even if I was, what you're saying is nonsense.

Not really.

Maybe the religious angle is over the top, but much of the problems in the Middle East can be traced back to British imperialism. France gets the blame for Africa.

And don't forget how those brits promised one thing to the zionists and out of the other side of their face made seperate promises to the palestinians.

But you go right on hating America. We don't care any more.