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This one exchange alone between Trump and Pence lawyers could be nail in coffin for Trump (1 Viewer)

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“Buried in a court filing late Wednesday from the January 6 committee is an explosive email exchange between Greg Jacob, a top lawyer for then-Vice President Mike Pence, and John Eastman, a lawyer who was working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, that absolutely nails the culpability of Eastman in the events of that terrible day.

The email exchange began on January 5, with Eastman attempting to push the idea that Pence had the constitutional authority to reject certain electors from swing states when the votes were counted in Congress the next day.

On January 6 at 12:14 pm ET, as it was becoming increasingly clear that there was a Trump-inspired riot brewing at the US Capitol, Jacob was unequivocal in his rejection of Eastman's theories.

"I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up," Jacob wrote Eastman. "And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege."

To which Eastman responds: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
In his next response, Jacob drops the hammer: "The advice provided has, whether intended or not, functioned as a serpent in the ear of the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the entire world. And here we are."

Jacob went on:

Respectfully, it was gravely, gravely irresponsible for you to entice the President with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are."“
 
Lawyers can, legally, push arguments which are aggressive, creative, or even just downright crazy. But they cannot, legally, push ideas they know are false.

This little exchange alone clearly shows Trump and his lawyers knew there was no fraud, but were deliberately and aggressively propagating lies and illegal behavior. Eastman was just angry that Pence’ss lawyers were not stepping outside those legal bounds to play along and overturn the legitimate results of an American election, IOW, insurrection.

This by itself is enough to find both Trump and Eastman guilty of insurrection.
 
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“Buried in a court filing late Wednesday from the January 6 committee is an explosive email exchange between Greg Jacob, a top lawyer for then-Vice President Mike Pence, and John Eastman, a lawyer who was working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, that absolutely nails the culpability of Eastman in the events of that terrible day.

The email exchange began on January 5, with Eastman attempting to push the idea that Pence had the constitutional authority to reject certain electors from swing states when the votes were counted in Congress the next day.

On January 6 at 12:14 pm ET, as it was becoming increasingly clear that there was a Trump-inspired riot brewing at the US Capitol, Jacob was unequivocal in his rejection of Eastman's theories.

"I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up," Jacob wrote Eastman. "And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege."

To which Eastman responds: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
In his next response, Jacob drops the hammer: "The advice provided has, whether intended or not, functioned as a serpent in the ear of the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the entire world. And here we are."

Jacob went on:

Respectfully, it was gravely, gravely irresponsible for you to entice the President with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are."“
Any day now. Any day
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Real investigations of conspiracies, racketeering, and white collar crimes are carried out behind closed doors.

This is mock trial for tabloid fodder. This report will grow octopus tentacles that wave in the air for the next 2 years.
 
Any day now. Any day
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

That’s what you were saying before anyone involved in 1/6 had been charged or found guilty: wondering that if this was a real insurrection, how come no one had been charged or found guilty yet?

Well, here we are, a year later, and that day just arrived.


The law may be slow, but it’s not stupid.
 
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Real investigations of conspiracies, racketeering, and white collar crimes are carried out behind closed doors.

This is mock trial for tabloid fodder. This report will grow octopus tentacles that wave in the air for the next 2 years.

Oh is that what those Benghazi hearings were all about?
 
My God!

Is their a word stronger than "obsessed", because obsessed doesn't seem any where near strong enough to describe the stage 5 TDS that so many people are still struggling with.
 
My God!

Is their a word stronger than "obsessed", because obsessed doesn't seem any where near strong enough to describe the stage 5 TDS that so many people are still struggling with.
If news is current, why is sharing it considered obsessive?
 
My God!

Is their a word stronger than "obsessed", because obsessed doesn't seem any where near strong enough to describe the stage 5 TDS that so many people are still struggling with.

Obession because a sitting US president openly incites insurrection just because they lost an election? You betcha.

What, you wanna just blow this off now and sweep it under the rug? Now it’s gonna be one of those “he was just joking. Can’t you take a joke?” No way. This was a serious crime. He still has the temerity, in fact, to keep lying about it. This is no longer like his lie about how you are not gonna believe what his top people are finding on Obama’s secret birth certificate for 6 years straight. This is sedition and insurrection on the US government.

It’s time he learns there are consequences to lying. This is something his mamma should have smacked him upside the head and taught him so many years ago. She obviously failed, so now society has to.

Sorry you fell for such a dangerous criminal and con man. Happens sometimes. Dust yourself off and move on. This guy is toast.
 
This little exchange alone clearly shows Trump and his lawyers knew there was no fraud, but were deliberately and aggressively propagating lies and illegal behavior.
Nonsense.

There is nothing in "this little exchange" that indicates that Trump and his lawyers "knew there was no fraud".

Quit making shit up.

In any case, this won't be any "nail in coffin". This is a nothingburger narrative.

The House dog and pony show is hard at work...using their congressional power for corrupt political purposes.
 
Real investigations of conspiracies, racketeering, and white collar crimes are carried out behind closed doors.

This is mock trial for tabloid fodder. This report will grow octopus tentacles that wave in the air for the next 2 years.
What trial? Did I miss it? What were the charges, was anyone convicted?
 
My God!

Is their a word stronger than "obsessed", because obsessed doesn't seem any where near strong enough to describe the stage 5 TDS that so many people are still struggling with.
Stage five tds was just handed a conviction and is now cooperating with the 1/6 investigation. Seems the proud boys ain't so proud after all.
 
Stage five tds was just handed a conviction and is now cooperating with the 1/6 investigation. Seems the proud boys ain't so proud after all.
They might be proud, but they're boys and not men.
 
Nonsense.

There is nothing in "this little exchange" that indicates that Trump and his lawyers "knew there was no fraud".

Quit making shit up.

In any case, this won't be any "nail in coffin". This is a nothingburger narrative.

The House dog and pony show is hard at work...using their congressional power for corrupt political purposes.
You must really be held back by your Fox News bubble. We've known for over a year Trump and crew knew there was no fraud. They knew they lost the election. In a criminal case, intent has to be proved without a reasonable doubt. This new stuff we're learning about communications between Trump and some of his advisors is coming really close to proving that. Jason Miller told the committee that he in no uncertain terms explained to the dunce in the WH that no fraud existed. Along with Barr and Crebbs and the director of the FBI.

Trump was also made aware of the fact that the pressure campaign he was putting on the VP was very unconstitutional and very likely illegal. Yet he kept on pushing and kept on lying.

That you don't believe it and continue to defend a common criminal is your problem, not ours. The DOJ should not only be interested in these new revelations, but they are also obligated to investigate it. The 200-page filing went as far as spelling out the statutes that were violated.
 
Nonsense.

There is nothing in "this little exchange" that indicates that Trump and his lawyers "knew there was no fraud".

Quit making shit up.

In any case, this won't be any "nail in coffin". This is a nothingburger narrative.

The House dog and pony show is hard at work...using their congressional power for corrupt political purposes.

Is there anything that could ever be found that you would not try to dismiss as a “nothingburger”?

Maybe you would prefer discussing serious allegations to be outraged about, like that tan suit Obama once wore at a press briefing? He defiled the dignity of the White House with that!🤣
 
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Is there anything that could ever be found that you would not dismiss as a “nothingburger”?
Sure.

But I haven't seen it from the dog and pony show yet.
 
I don't think any of this matters. It either represents conclusions long ago reached by many, or it will be ignored by the rest.

If at the end of all of these various investigations, it looks like Trump could/should be charged, he won't be. He is already Person #1 in the Michael Cohen case, a case where guilt has been established. No charges against Trump have been laid and no charges will be. In the American system, where judges and district attorneys are elected, prosecuting a past President is usually going to be considered political. This is particularly true if the illegal activity has political motivation behind it. Because of this Trump will never be charged.
 
Nonsense.

There is nothing in "this little exchange" that indicates that Trump and his lawyers "knew there was no fraud".

Quit making shit up.

In any case, this won't be any "nail in coffin". This is a nothingburger narrative.

The House dog and pony show is hard at work...using their congressional power for corrupt political purposes.
The only one making things up is the one whose opinion is faith based, such as yours.

When one is informed that there was no fraud, from multiple sources, at multiple times, while himself producing absolutely no evidence of fraud; that, in itself, is evidence Trump and Eastman knew there was no fraud.

The 'head in the sand' defense doesn't work. The insanity defense may.
 
“Buried in a court filing late Wednesday from the January 6 committee is an explosive email exchange between Greg Jacob, a top lawyer for then-Vice President Mike Pence, and John Eastman, a lawyer who was working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, that absolutely nails the culpability of Eastman in the events of that terrible day.

The email exchange began on January 5, with Eastman attempting to push the idea that Pence had the constitutional authority to reject certain electors from swing states when the votes were counted in Congress the next day.

On January 6 at 12:14 pm ET, as it was becoming increasingly clear that there was a Trump-inspired riot brewing at the US Capitol, Jacob was unequivocal in his rejection of Eastman's theories.

"I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up," Jacob wrote Eastman. "And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege."

To which Eastman responds: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
In his next response, Jacob drops the hammer: "The advice provided has, whether intended or not, functioned as a serpent in the ear of the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the entire world. And here we are."

Jacob went on:

Respectfully, it was gravely, gravely irresponsible for you to entice the President with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are."“
More TDS threads as Biden sits by and watches Putin becoming the new Hitler.
 
More TDS threads as Biden sits by and watches Putin becoming the new Hitler.

Haha. You’re hoping a new crisis will distract from a serious criminal investigation.

But don’t worry- we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
 
Haha. You’re hoping a new crisis will distract from a serious criminal investigation.

But don’t worry- we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Nobody cares except those with TDS. Real America is real concerned about our economy and Russia invading Ukraine.
 
It's really upsetting to those on the right that Biden is handling this like a leader of the free world...
Leader? He was last to close air space to Russia and didn't give Ukraine stingers until Germany did. Now as both parties and even Pelosi call for sanctions on Russian oil he's again last to the party.
 
Nobody cares except those with TDS. Real America is real concerned about our economy and Russia invading Ukraine.
Actually, nobody cares about "Real America." "Real America" is a delusion, a derangement syndrome.

We'll see who cares when the indictments are handed down.
 

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