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Not sure if anything needs to be added. One side calls for restrictions on citizens and the other calls for those who really want to protect our kids to be able to do it.

One philosophy is to always put new laws on the books that restrict law-abiding citizens and do nothing about the criminals such as executing them or giving them 30 years in jail, no parole, and the other side says that children should be protected by those who want to do that. The left is continually blaming everyone but the criminals and the right looks for solutions that are workable. The left says we have to do "something" so they pass a new law that does nothing and when a criminal does something, they hope he's white so they claim white nationalism, or if not white, give him 15 years and he's out in 7. The right tells criminals we'll kill you before you get off a shot and will not whimper and hide.
 

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The left says we have to do "something" so they pass a new law that does nothing and when a criminal does something, they hope he's white so they claim white nationalism, or if not white, give him 15 years and he's out in 7.
Thanks for telling it as it is.

To be fair, there are some rational people on the left, but they are afraid to speak out.

So the wokesters get all the publicity.
 

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Not sure if anything needs to be added. One side calls for restrictions on citizens and the other calls for those who really want to protect our kids to be able to do it.

One philosophy is to always put new laws on the books that restrict law-abiding citizens and do nothing about the criminals such as executing them or giving them 30 years in jail, no parole, and the other side says that children should be protected by those who want to do that. The left is continually blaming everyone but the criminals and the right looks for solutions that are workable. The left says we have to do "something" so they pass a new law that does nothing and when a criminal does something, they hope he's white so they claim white nationalism, or if not white, give him 15 years and he's out in 7. The right tells criminals we'll kill you before you get off a shot and will not whimper and hide.
Taking into account the actions of trained LEOs, yours and the indicted Texas AG’s ideas are not realistic.
 

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Not sure if anything needs to be added. One side calls for restrictions on citizens and the other calls for those who really want to protect our kids to be able to do it.

One philosophy is to always put new laws on the books that restrict law-abiding citizens and do nothing about the criminals such as executing them or giving them 30 years in jail, no parole, and the other side says that children should be protected by those who want to do that. The left is continually blaming everyone but the criminals and the right looks for solutions that are workable. The left says we have to do "something" so they pass a new law that does nothing and when a criminal does something, they hope he's white so they claim white nationalism, or if not white, give him 15 years and he's out in 7. The right tells criminals we'll kill you before you get off a shot and will not whimper and hide.
Fortunately, there are some states that are working to intelligently deal with the issue.

Coach Aaron Feis Guardian Program​
The Coach Aaron Feis Guardian Program was established in 2018 through the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act. In its initial report, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas Public Safety Commission found that having Guardians in schools is the best way to ensure highly trained personnel are in place to respond immediately in the event of a school shooting.​
Guardians are armed personnel who aid in the prevention or abatement of active assailant incidents on school premises. They are either school employees who volunteer to serve in addition to official job duties or personnel hired for the specific purpose of serving as a school guardian. Guardians must pass psychological and drug screenings, and successfully complete a minimum of 144 hours of training.​
The 2019 Legislature expanded the Guardian program to include Class D and G licensed security guards as well as certain school district or charter school employees who volunteer to participate in the program.​
State funds are granted to participating Sheriff’s Offices to cover the screening and training costs for each Guardian. Also, Guardians receive a one-time stipend of $500 for serving in the program.​
 

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So neither side can agree on dealing with the problem except for digging their heels in…
 

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I've read some comments on the related threads that instead of stricter gun control laws, America just needs better mental health services. Funny how Texas has been dealing with that situation

Gov. Abbott’s Mental Health Cuts Under Scrutiny After Deadly School Shooting

In the wake of mass fatalities at a Texas school, Gov. Greg Abbott speculated that the gunman had mental health issues and called for more to be done. But last month, Abbott slashed $211 million from the state's department that oversees mental health programs, NBC News reports. News outlets also report on how such traumatic events impact kids across the nation.

NBC News: Abbott Calls Texas School Shooting A Mental Health Issue But Cut State Spending For ItGov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs. In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report. (Hixenbaugh and Siemaszko, 5/25)
 

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So neither side can agree on dealing with the problem except for digging their heels in…

Actually, one side has the foundational right to keep and bear arms to protect, for all sorts of reasons argued elsewhere.

The other side only has emotional appeals, personal attacks, and a desire to disarm the population as much as possible, IMO soley for the purpose of exercising more control.

That so they can push a socialist agenda while maintaining all the power to insure no resistance to their goals.
 

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found that having Guardians in schools
uh. what are we gonna do? have Guardians everywhere? swim meets? stores? parks? bus stops?
 

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Actually, one side has the foundational right to keep and bear arms to protect, for all sorts of reasons argued elsewhere.

The other side only has emotional appeals, personal attacks, and a desire to disarm the population as much as possible, IMO soley for the purpose of exercising more control.

That so they can push a socialist agenda while maintaining all the power to insure no resistance to their goals.

Yes one side only has emotional appeals, personal attacks and an apparent fear of being replaced by those 'others' - people of colour.

The Great White Replacement Belief that holds only those of European descent should hold all the political power in America.
 

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Yes one side only has emotional appeals, personal attacks and an apparent fear of being replaced by those 'others' - people of colour.

The Great White Replacement Belief that holds only those of European descent should hold all the political power in America.

Red herring again. Can't your side of the argument stick to valid points? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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Actually, one side has the foundational right to keep and bear arms to protect, for all sorts of reasons argued elsewhere.

The other side only has emotional appeals, personal attacks, and a desire to disarm the population as much as possible, IMO soley for the purpose of exercising more control.

…and a mounting body count.
That so they can push a socialist agenda while maintaining all the power to insure no resistance to their goals.
 

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uh. what are we gonna do? have Guardians everywhere? swim meets? stores? parks? bus stops?
If need be, but right now Florida has them in their schools.
 

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Red herring again. Can't your side of the argument stick to valid points? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

"Red herring"

An article from Townhall, July 2020, appears to support your 'conservative' beliefs, or was it where you first found them articulated?

What a Second American Civil War Could Look Like

This war will be waged by far-left radicals and their deep-state puppet masters. For them, civilian casualties and massacres will not be moral evils, but merely part and parcel of their larger plan to “reconstruct” America. Their objective is simple: overthrow our constitutional order, destroy our way of life, and deprive us of our freedom, our liberties, our property, and our honor.

I believe one likely spark for the Second American Civil War will be the result of acoup d’etatcarried out by anti-America extremists. It will catch most Americans by surprise. The coup plotters will act quickly to seize the critical levers of power, before any opposition has a chance to react. And they will be aided and abetted by the kinds of people Lenin referred to, contemptuously, as useful idiots.

The shock troops will come from the ranks of Antifa and radical anti-white elements of the Black Lives Matter movement. These fascist stormtroopers will be augmented by the even larger numbers of veterans of Occupy and other far-left movements. And jihadists from across the globe will flock to support this coup. But the real power will be behind the scenes, in the hands of the bureaucrats of the American deep state, who will see such a far-left coup as their best chance to preserve and expand their far-reaching powers, but which President Trump threatens.

Much of the mainstream media will initially be warmly supportive.
 

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"Red herring"

An article from Townhall, July 2020, appears to support your 'conservative' beliefs, or was it where you first found them articulated?

What a Second American Civil War Could Look Like


Still another deflection. Really do try to study terms:

Red herring: This fallacy consists in diverting attention from the real issue by focusing instead on an issue having only a surface relevance to the first.

 

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I've read some comments on the related threads that instead of stricter gun control laws, America just needs better mental health services. Funny how Texas has been dealing with that situation
Oh, Come onnnnn
 

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Yes one side only has emotional appeals, personal attacks and an apparent fear of being replaced by those 'others' - people of colour.

The Great White Replacement Belief that holds only those of European descent should hold all the political power in America.
Who are those people?
 

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Do you gun grabbers have any idea what a disaster it would be to confiscate law abiding citizen’s guns?
Mass mayhem, people would die. I’m not even kidding.
 

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Still another deflection. Really do try to study terms:

Red herring: This fallacy consists in diverting attention from the real issue by focusing instead on an issue having only a surface relevance to the first.


Did you write the following words? "so they can push a socialist agenda"
 

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Not sure if anything needs to be added. One side calls for restrictions on citizens and the other calls for those who really want to protect our kids to be able to do it.

One philosophy is to always put new laws on the books that restrict law-abiding citizens and do nothing about the criminals such as executing them or giving them 30 years in jail, no parole, and the other side says that children should be protected by those who want to do that. The left is continually blaming everyone but the criminals and the right looks for solutions that are workable. The left says we have to do "something" so they pass a new law that does nothing and when a criminal does something, they hope he's white so they claim white nationalism, or if not white, give him 15 years and he's out in 7. The right tells criminals we'll kill you before you get off a shot and will not whimper and hide.
The lack of any substantial gun laws have not worked in Texas, what makes you think they would work any where else?

Texas has had eight mass shootings in the past 13 years, while lawmakers have steadily loosened restrictions on carrying firearms​

 

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Did you write the following words? "so they can push a socialist agenda"

That was my opinion. Not my argument.

Try again? Actually don't.

You have not made a single valid argument yet. I'm tired of dealing with the constant tactics of "moral panic" you and others keep using.

It may serve to create unthinking, irrational, emotional responses of a "mob mentality." But that only leads to emotion-based "solutions" which are no real solutions at all.

Just more effort to deprive people of their individual liberties, in favor of some social agenda which brooks no dissent.
 

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That was my opinion. Not my argument.

Try again? Actually don't.

You have not made a single valid argument yet. I'm tired of dealing with the constant tactics of "moral panic" you and others keep using.

It may serve to create unthinking, irrational, emotional responses of a "mob mentality." But that only leads to emotion-based "solutions" which are no real solutions at all.

Just more effort to deprive people of their individual liberties, in favor of some social agenda which brooks no dissent.

Yeah, your "opinion" is not your "argument". Then why did you write/type those words?

Personally, I see your side as the group grasping a "mob mentality" and definitely going for emotion-based "solutions". January 6, 2021 comes to mind.

"Don't Say Gay" bills come to mind when I think of those who brook no dissent along with the calls for banning and burning books that fail to comply with one group's mentality.
 

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The lack of any substantial gun laws have not worked in Texas, what makes you think they would work any where else?

Texas has had eight mass shootings in the past 13 years, while lawmakers have steadily loosened restrictions on carrying firearms​

What gun laws that were loosened led to mass shootings?
 
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