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This is what white people tell you when you write about race in America

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Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?

In the last week of December, a grand jury decided not to place the two police officers who were involved in the killing of Tamir Rice on trial for committing a crime. Since that decision, members of the White Right have continued and escalated their hateful attacks on Tamir Rice.

Case in point. One prominent right-wing “news” website features hundreds of comments about Tamir Rice. They include screeds such as:

“Until White America looks at Tamir Rice and sees their own children, there will be no racial justice in the U.S.” Much of “White America” raises their children so they in no way resemble Tamir Rice. We pay law enforcement to keep Tamir Rice at arm’s length.”

“Until White America looks at Tamir Rice and sees their own children…I think that when America looks at Tamir Rice and sees their own children, we will have the economic activity and life expectancy of Bangladesh, or some other impoverished hell-hole.”

“Comply – Don’t Die”

“When you have a whole (mostly) race who have no respect for authority of any type they are going to have issues when they come into contact with people in authority.”

“Whites don’t need cops to kill their children to understand, blacks kill white children enough as it is.”

“Tamir Rice was 12. He was also 5’7’’ 175#’s and walking around a playground in a high drug and crime area brandishing a realistic pellet gun. He was in the act of committing Agrievated Menacing by pointing a pistol in peoples faces. He then reached and puled his pistol when the police arrived. The evidence was incontrovertible. It was on video and he pulled his weapon. It is a tragedy, but his crack whore mother who lost custody of Tamir years ago will certainly gin up everything she can to fleece the citizens of Cleveland for as much money as she can get.”

“Probably saved numerous black lives by taking this stupid gang banger off the planet. Pray America wakes”

“Until Black America quits raising little thugs. No change.”

“To many in the black community, personal responsibility is to them like holy water and crosses are to a vampire.”

“Black Americans, The most racist and entitled people on the planet. Cut the dole, Kill the thugs and most of this will go away. Then start on the queers. Roll me back to the 50’s.”


Why would someone feel this way about a child killed by the police for the “crime” of playing with a toy gun in public in an “open carry” state where brandishing real weapons in public is not illegal? Where is the empathy, care, or concern about a 12-year-old boy whose life was stolen in a manner so cavalier and mean spirited that the police left him to bleed to death on the ground? Why so much hostility toward a person they do not know?

The extreme and ugly anti-black sentiments that are summoned in response to the killing of Tamir Rice are not isolated events. They have been seen in response to other black and brown victims of police thuggery as well. There is an important dynamic that often goes uncommented upon: white rage and racism are not actually being directed at the literal person of Tamir Rice.

The white collective imagination is instead focused on symbolism, what it imagines “blackness” to be, and how being “black”—and especially black and male—is a target for anger, fear and insecurity. The person Tamir Rice is not hated; the idea of Tamir Rice the “black male” is.

As I wrote about in an earlier essay on Tamir Rice, black people have historically and in the present been viewed as poisons in the (white) American body politic. In the not so recent past, such attitudes fueled white racial pogroms and the thousands of lynchings committed by white people against African-Americans.

Sociologist Ivan Evans makes the following observation in his book “Cultures of Violence”:

What Southern Protestantism bequeathed to the twentieth century was a moral justification for concentrating subsequent violence on African Americans. Like the revamped theology of Afrikaners after 1910, Lost Causism in the South provided the glue to hold together a demoralized white community that was divided by class, anxious about its women, and fearful of the social and political equality that would flow from the emancipation of African Americans.


This is a frightening insight, one that accurately describes America both in the postbellum era of lynching, as well as the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

I am tired of fighting racists: This is what white people tell you when you write about race in America - Salon.com
 

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One thing I do see happening is the disillusionment of one time civil rights promoters with the methods employed. They have not been futile, but a quick look at the violence statistics shows that the black population has not been able to achieve as much as one might have hoped. Now, of course, the others could have been more and even more helpful. But that is not the way a healthy society should work. People have to be successful on their own like, say, the Vietnamese or Iranian immigrants. Because the numbers show that it is not only due to nasty whites that indigenous blacks under perform. Immigrants from Africa do better. We might very easily have been going at this problem in the wrong way.
 

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Wow - yet another white people are (all?) like this but black people are not (all?) like that threads.

Some minority of white folks are racist assholes and some minority of black folks are violent criminals - so let's concentrate on (emphasize?) the small white group of racists as being responsible for all problems experienced by anyone black in the US ever.

Relating a few "white" comments about a recent police shooting in Ohio to decades past lynchings in the Deep South is not at all unfair when making such important accusations of persistent and systemic racism by (some, most or all) white people. Never let a "crisis" go to waste.
 

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After reading the OP article I am left with a concern that is only diminished by the lack of interest in this case specifically. We have enough to worry about with realistic looking toys in the hands of a 12 year old only to be shot by the police, only made worse by the lack of care once the boy was down.

The piece ends with a pitch for 2016, as if today's lot of hopefuls from either ole (D) or (R) have any real interest in social cohesion or racial justice. The only proof you need that this conversation goes no where in our division oriented political system that *needs* vilification in order to advance a political desire. The piece illustrates that well in grouping people into a demographic in order to show an inherent view of some other demographic.

The harsh truth here is we still have lingering prejudices to contend with, but perhaps worse the realization there is no political interest in dealing with that problem.
 

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The idiot who wrote that doesn't know what "brandish" means.

If someone who is open carrying points his gun at you, that's brandishing; if you haven't attacked them or threatened to attack them, they are the aggressor and they are breaking the law.


Going to a public park and playing with a realistic Airsoft and pointing it at folks is going to get a police response.
 
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The idiot who wrote that doesn't know what "brandish" means.

If someone who is open carrying points his gun at you, that's brandishing; if you haven't attacked them or threatened to attack them, they are the aggressor and they are breaking the law.


Going to a public park and playing with a realistic Airsoft and pointing it at folks is going to get a police response.

Hopefully not that same police response. Even the PD involved does not consider that to have been a correct police response.
 

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Wow - yet another white people are (all?) like this but black people are not (all?) like that threads.

Some minority of white folks are racist assholes and some minority of black folks are violent criminals - so let's concentrate on (emphasize?) the small white group of racists as being responsible for all problems experienced by anyone black in the US ever.

Relating a few "white" comments about a recent police shooting in Ohio to decades past lynchings in the Deep South is not at all unfair when making such important accusations of persistent and systemic racism by (some, most or all) white people. Never let a "crisis" go to waste.

yes but i can look up stats and that less than 1% of black people are violent felons, what percentage of white americans are racists? would you say its more or less than 1%.
 

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yes but i can look up stats and that less than 1% of black people are violent felons, what percentage of white americans are racists? would you say its more or less than 1%.

I cannot wait to see how you define who is actually a racist or not.
 

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I cannot wait to see how you define who is actually a racist or not.

Well thats a matter of opinion isn't it? even the leader of the KKK claims hes not a racist.

Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?
 

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Well thats a matter of opinion isn't it? even the leader of the KKK claims hes not a racist.

Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?

Of course not, my point is there is not a single political force that honestly cares about our lack of social and/or racial cohesion. Worse, today's so called civil rights leaders have completely squandered the roots of the 1950's and 1960's civil rights movements.
 

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yes but i can look up stats and that less than 1% of black people are violent felons, what percentage of white americans are racists? would you say its more or less than 1%.

I have no idea because, unlike violent crime, we lack stats on what people say. Perhaps you can show us the number of racist comments received in response to this thread - do they exceed 1%?

The OP link cited "hundreds" of such racist comments on a "right wing" site yet (purposefully?) omitted how many total comments were made, leaving us no idea what that percentage is or whether that "right wing" site is anywhere near a representative poll of white opinion in general. Cherry picking an example (or even "hundreds") of racism and then asserting that it is representative of a group of over 100 million folks falls well short of your 1% figure.


EDIT: This calls into question your 1% figure concerning black males with felony convictions.

Disenfranchised black males account for 35 percent of all Americans now barred from voting because of felony convictions. Two percent of all Americans, or 3.9 million, have lost the right to vote, compared with 13 percent of adult black men.

Study: Non-Voting Felons Increasing - ABC News
 
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Well thats a matter of opinion isn't it? even the leader of the KKK claims hes not a racist.

Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?
The situation is much deeper than you are trying to make it.
 

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This reminds me of an interesting conversation I had with a friend at work.
We were talking about how people are raised because she mentioned to me that many blacks, especially in inner cities are raised to not trust the police, the "man", or whites in general.
I pointed out that a lot of (especially southern) whites are brought up not to trust blacks in the same way.
We both agreed it is two cultural issues that should be done away with but that they will likely not happen at the same time.
Yet. Only if it happens at the same time will the problems start to evaporate. Nobody wants to be the "better person" though.

I am generalizing all over the place here :)

Edit: Also. You notice the media never interviews people who take people on a case by case basis, the people in the world who truly believe "people are people" like the old Depeche Mode song goes...they do exist.
 

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It's interesting to see these articles pushed out by the Progressive Machine. Full of platitudes, complete fabrication, gross assumptions, and opinion presented as fact, the effort to distract from the misery caused by Progressive actions over the last few decades is quite amazing.

Proving the racist bigotry that contributes to the foundation of Socialist Progressivism is a curious endeavor. Race baiting Progressive websites like Salon and others in the Progressive Machine empire, seek to stir the racial pot while side stepping the reality of policies like their amnesty agenda for illegal aliens, a group of encouraged people who have likely done more economic/social harm to Black Communities than any other group since the '60's.

It seems to me there is an underlying disrespect for people that permeates the Progressive agenda. That disrespect stems from the belief that articles like the one in the OP will be accepted at face value, an assumption that requires the publishers to believe their target audience is stupid, and uninformed.

As these articles continue to be published, and their promoters continue to post them here, it becomes evident that assumption may be true.
 

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Hopefully not that same police response. Even the PD involved does not consider that to have been a correct police response.

To be fair, they could have pulled up to the area and got on their loudspeaker rather than just drive up right next to him and start shooting, and yes, the guy who called it in mentioned the possibility of a toy gun (though I don't really consider Airsoft guns to be toys, per se).

But that's besides the point. The article was making a comparison to someone simply open carrying a gun. There is a difference between having a weapon and brandishing a weapon.
 

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Well thats a matter of opinion isn't it? even the leader of the KKK claims hes not a racist.

Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?

Not as long as people keep caring about skin color. Oh, gee that would include Obama. He's done more to create racial tension in the last 8 years then anyone I've ever seen in public life.
 

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To be fair, they could have pulled up to the area and got on their loudspeaker rather than just drive up right next to him and start shooting, and yes, the guy who called it in mentioned the possibility of a toy gun (though I don't really consider Airsoft guns to be toys, per se).

But that's besides the point. The article was making a comparison to someone simply open carrying a gun. There is a difference between having a weapon and brandishing a weapon.

I did not question the difference between open (or concealed) carry and brandishing. The point remains that the police never witnessed the reported brandishing - the "gun" was still in the "perps" waistband after he was shot. The video, that I saw, never shows the "perps" hand on the "gun" at all - at best, it shows the "perp" raising his shirt with both hands to expose part of the "gun".
 

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Wow - yet another white people are (all?) like this but black people are not (all?) like that threads.

Some minority of white folks are racist assholes and some minority of black folks are violent criminals - so let's concentrate on (emphasize?) the small white group of racists as being responsible for all problems experienced by anyone black in the US ever.

Relating a few "white" comments about a recent police shooting in Ohio to decades past lynchings in the Deep South is not at all unfair when making such important accusations of persistent and systemic racism by (some, most or all) white people. Never let a "crisis" go to waste.
Pretty much my first thought when I read the title.
 

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yes but i can look up stats and that less than 1% of black people are violent felons, what percentage of white americans are racists? would you say its more or less than 1%.
Is that even a legitimate question? Given the varying differences in how individuals define "racism" in their own minds... and I'm sure your's is relatively broad... no two people would come up with the same answer.
 

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Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?

No.

I believe that most African Americans are at least a little bit racist with a largish minority being deeply racist.

I believe that African Americans, by and large, are far more racist than white Americans.

That said, I believe that there are, of course, White racists too.

I believe that they're a small minority and that they are far fewer in number than African American racists.
 

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Well thats a matter of opinion isn't it? even the leader of the KKK claims hes not a racist.

Do you think were living in a "post-racial America"?

What are you thinking of when you say 'post racial America' - what is that supposed to mean?

It's not possible to get rid of racism - it exists on all sides of every issue, sure. There are black people who are racist and their are white people who are racist . . . so what does a 'post racial America' really look like?

To me - it's when the majority of people aren't racist and the law doesn't rely on it solely to keep people squared up.
 

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Using a comments section isn't exactly the best way to make your argument. Those are always the most vile, hateful, ignorant, and entertaining part of any article.
 
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