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This Is What Democratic Socialists In The US Will Bring Us:

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America is consistently ranked nowhere near the top in Healthcare outcomes, quality of care, life expectancy or percentage of people who can see a doctor at all.

You're uninformed and have never experienced anything else so you make up these stories.
Those rankings aren't based on quality of care.
 

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Yeah, I've lived in Europe where healthcare and education is subsidized, and it's quiet lovely and encouraging that you can see that the community is supporting the elderly and investing in their kids' future ... err, I mean 'hellish landscape' filled with progressive marxist socialist communists (ghoulish screaming).
You mean, where we pay for your security?

Take away Nato, and europe would fall in an instant, and look like communist russia in holodomor.

Maybe that's why you hate Trump so much, he might actually do away with Nato, and Europe would be left to fend for itself.
 

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Pretty much everyone agrees things are messed up in america but you guys want to keep things the same. I said look at venezuela with the wrong people running the government but you turned it into democratic socialists are the right people running the government. It's your kind of assbackwardness that keeps america serving the rich.
And you want socialism?
 

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And you want socialism?
There's a difference between democratic socialism and socialism and yes I would love for america to try democratic socialism. How come it works in other countries that don't have a dictator running the country?

The right would rather support a one in fifty thousand chance of a single person becoming a millionaire than help the other forty nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine who will never become a millionaire.
 

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Everyone pays taxes in those countries, too. Try telling someone that gets an $8,000 refund every year that they get free healthcare but will no longer get their big ass refund. See what happens.
I get a big ass refund every year. Because of our home office deductions. Not because of our healthcare costs. So why wouldn't we get a deduction if we got "free" healthcare - and what makes it "free"?
 

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Is there such a thing as a smart conservatives? Seriously, the dumb from conservatives is ridiculous. I'm sure the rich robbing from the rest of us is acceptable. I guess to these people 1% of the population should own most of the wealth, workers should work full time or multiple jobs and still be in poverty, more than half the country living paycheck to paycheck.

Just a constant supply of dumb from righties
 

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If Bernie proposed K-12 public schooling in the 18th Century, the GOP would be grabbing their pitchforks.
Actually the founding fathers were very much for education.

"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district--all studied and appreciated as they merit--are the principal support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty." ~ Benjamin Franklin

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves, (A)nd if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." ~ Thomas Jefferson
 

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None work worth a crap, and none service a nation of our size.
Yes, our nation is bigger and has more people in it. But that also means that we are able to put more into it. In the end, it evens all out to about the same.

As for not being worth a crap? Depends on who you ask really, but that doesn't mean we can't make it better also. ;)
 

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The quality is dramatically lower, too. Mexico has universal healthcare, but I bet we won't be seeing you headed to Mexico for medical any time soon.
Once again you show your preference for party propaganda to reality

2012
Mexicali has adopted medical care as its primary tourist lure, and it has been attracting a growing number of health care commuters from California and other nearby states. Hospitals offer operations for gastric bypass, liposuction and chronic back pain. Dentists promise that extractions, fillings and whitening can all be done for less money. And ophthalmologists advertise laser surgery and routine exams.
2014 Health care, and patients, go south — to Mexico

2016 Many Americans Travel to Other Countries for Medical Care

2017
The medical travel industry is booming around the world, and Mexico is the most popular destination on the North American continent and second in the world after Thailand, according to a report published in December in the Mexican magazine Expansión.

More than one million medical tourists visited the country in 2015, spending a total of $550 million, an estimate experts believe will grow exponentially in the future, as explained in a glossy video introducing the medical development complex to potential investors.

2018
MEDICAL TOURISM IS BOOMING IN MEXICO[/b]

2019
Patients who travel to another country to seek health care are referred to as medical tourists. The term arose because many Americans seek less expensive elective surgical, dental, or cosmetic procedures while vacationing abroad. Of course, US hospitals and physicians have also long cared for medical tourists from other countries. Now, many medical tourists are going the other way—from the United States to other countries to receive health care. In 2007, it is estimated that 750,000 Americans traveled to other countries for health care. In 2017, more than 1.4 million Americans sought health care in a variety of countries around the world
 

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Is there such a thing as a smart conservatives? Seriously, the dumb from conservatives is ridiculous. I'm sure the rich robbing from the rest of us is acceptable. I guess to these people 1% of the population should own most of the wealth, workers should work full time or multiple jobs and still be in poverty, more than half the country living paycheck to paycheck.

Just a constant supply of dumb from righties
With that sort of retort, you don't deserve a dime.




GO TO WORK!
 

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I get a big ass refund every year. Because of our home office deductions. Not because of our healthcare costs. So why wouldn't we get a deduction if we got "free" healthcare - and what makes it "free"?
How are you going to feel when you no longer get a big ass refund?
 

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There's a difference between democratic socialism and socialism and yes I would love for america to try democratic socialism. How come it works in other countries that don't have a dictator running the country?

The right would rather support a one in fifty thousand chance of a single person becoming a millionaire than help the other forty nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine who will never become a millionaire.
Those countries don't have 350 million people and open borders.
 

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No, you misunderstood. The "open borders" comment is objectively false. The US does not have open borders and there is no country in the world completely walled in like Trump is proposing.

Your hyperbole and obvious false statements are why nobody takes you seriously. You could've said we have weak borders and you'd push it into the subjective zone. Open borders is hilariously and objectively false.
 

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No, you misunderstood. The "open borders" comment is objectively false. The US does not have open borders and there is no country in the world completely walled in like Trump is proposing.

Your hyperbole and obvious false statements are why nobody takes you seriously. You could've said we have weak borders and you'd push it into the subjective zone. Open borders is hilariously and objectively false.
The border is wide open. If the Democrats have their way, it'll be permanently open, with rubber stamp citizenship.
 

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The fact that socialism is a 100% failure takes care of that idea.
Since we've never tried democratic socialism in this country, how do you know? Oh right, your leaders have been telling you for decades, socialism bad, taxes bad, government bad.
 

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Since we've never tried democratic socialism in this country, how do you know? Oh right, your leaders have been telling you for decades, socialism bad, taxes bad, government bad.
How's it working in Venezuala?
 

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The border is wide open. If the Democrats have their way, it'll be permanently open, with rubber stamp citizenship.
Wide open? So all the other dozens and dozens of countries with UHC did a much better job of securing their borders than the US? And you know the term open borders means no security of any kind right?
 

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How's it working in Venezuala?
Of course, venezuela. Venezuela is what you get when the top people running government are crooks only looking out for themselves and screwing the people. How about this, Germany, france, sweden, denmark, great britain, japan, australia, italy, canada, norway, spain, finland, ireland, belgium, new zealand, austria and switzerland. All of these countries have a balance of socialism and capitalism. Want to argue some more about democratic socialism always failing?
 

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So when you can't disparage actual redistributive systems that work, you go after fictional ones. Sounds about right.

By the way, if you want to see a system where "those in power grab the most money for themselves"? Look at the US. Income and wealth inequality is growing, while the wealthy bribe politicians to get their way. Thus we have an allegedly booming economy, where millions can't afford to continue their education, can't afford health insurance, can't afford medical care, can't even scrape together $1000 cash to deal with an emergency.

Hmmmmm.
Venezula is not a fictional country.
 

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Of course, venezuela. Venezuela is what you get when the top people running government are crooks only looking out for themselves and screwing the people. How about this, Germany, france, sweden, denmark, great britain, japan, australia, italy, canada, norway, spain, finland, ireland, belgium, new zealand, austria and switzerland. All of these countries have a balance of socialism and capitalism. Want to argue some more about democratic socialism always failing?
Venezuala is what socialism has to offer. There are no checks and balances.
 
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