This is the sort of crap that pisses me off. "How to get hormones as a minor without your parents."

[Ug make hammer]

Implants aren't the same, the nerve damages done... here's a truth, I am daily in agony, from a nerve damaged below the belt. You think someone under 18 really understands that risk?

I guess not. But that damage was not done by hormones or hormone blockers, was it?

(Hymn to her)

 

[Renae]

I guess not. But that damage was not done by hormones or hormone blockers, was it?

(Hymn to her)

HRT has it's own problems.

 

[Ug make hammer]

HRT has it's own problems.

I know. One of my (male) friends in school was short for his height, so his parents took him to a specialist who prescribed growth hormone. It triggered even more growth hormone and he grew suddenly taller with all sorts of joint problems. It was painful for him, but it caused social problems too, since all the bullies in school wanted to be his friend.

When you say "Hormone Replacement Therapy" it makes me think of old women who want relief from the menopause. Mainstream medical opinion is against that, it's just "ride it out, you'll be happier in the end" but some women want to retain their sex urge and opt for HRT.

I repeat that my own experience of "natural" male hormones was horrific, I wish it had never happened to me, and with each passing year appreciate my own male 'andropause' if that's a word. Sex urge has never been good for me, and the strength and pain theshold of androgens very much a mixed bag. If I could have remained forever a child (sexually) I think my life would have been much better.

Not that I'm complaining. I could die today, happy with my life. But becoming a man sure did not help.

 

[mrjurrs]

Planned Parenthood only requires kids to be 16 in some locations. At 18?

They openly advertise:

“We offer gender affirming hormone care for patients 18 years and older at all of our health centers. You don’t need to participate in therapy or provide information from a mental health provider to receive hormone therapy.”

So your title has zero to do with the truth?

"“We offer gender affirming hormone care for patients 18 years and older at all of our health centers."

 

[Ug make hammer]

Basically, right wingers have blown their wad by completely defunding Planned Parenthood, and have now lost all political control over what it does.

I'm going to donate $100 to Planned Parenthood. Thanks @Renae for motivating me!

No, it will have to wait. I let my card go out of date to shake off some subscriptions.

 

[Renae]

Basically, right wingers have blown their wad by completely defunding Planned Parenthood, and have now lost all political control over what it does.

I'm going to donate $100 to Planned Parenthood. Thanks @Renae for motivating me!

That's your choice, the kids whose lives get ruined because of you are on you not me.

 

[Ug make hammer]

That's your choice, the kids whose lives get ruined because of you are on you not me.

And the kids whose life is saved by successful transitions, is on you.

Let's go back to the OP shall we? You indulged yourself in moral outrage, but in the process you ADVERTISED to underage people options they have. Options which you despise, but why should they care about that? You're just another old person telling them what not to do.

 

[Ug make hammer]

I say again, that if the option to delay puberty had been available to me when I was 11 or 12, I absolutely would have taken it. And I'm quite sure my parents would have supported me, at least for a few years.

@Renae, you really have to separate these things:

• Irreversible surgery
• Surgery
• Hormone replacement
• Hormone blockers

You're treating all of them as irreversible, instead of applying a "recreational drug" standard. Even quite young children are capable of experimenting with hormones, like a drug but not addictive. It can inform them of what they're getting into, and better sooner than later. NOBODY should be forced by biology, to go through the formative teenage years in a gender they feel is wrong for them.

The only possible reason you have against early blockers or early hormone treatments, is sympathy for those who get caught half-way. Surely you can see that this mostly happens when they start too late?

 

[Renae]

I say again, that if the option to delay puberty had been available to me when I was 11 or 12, I absolutely would have taken it. And I'm quite sure my parents would have supported me, at least for a few years.

@Renae, you really have to separate these things:

• Irreversible surgery
• Surgery
• Hormone replacement
• Hormone blockers

You're treating all of them as irreversible, instead of applying a "recreational drug" standard. Even quite young children are capable of experimenting with hormones, like a drug but not addictive. It can inform them of what they're getting into, and better sooner than later. NOBODY should be forced by biology, to go through the formative teenage years in a gender they feel is wrong for them.

The only possible reason you have against early blockers or early hormone treatments, is sympathy for those who get caught half-way. Surely you can see that this mostly happens when they start too late?

Delays have consequences, that you are either willfully or actually ignorant of. Because in the end, you only care about the message, the agenda, not actual peoples lives.

 

[Ug make hammer]

Delays have consequences, that you are either willfully or actually ignorant of.

Ooh, the OP bites!

Delays have consequences you say. It cuts both ways though. Delays in gender reassignment have consequences too. Like ... mastectomy which apparently you care about.

Because in the end, you only care about the message, the agenda, not actual peoples lives.

What? Really? Most of my contributions to this thread have been anecdotal, about myself or people I know.

On any other subject, I stick to the factual and use statistics. But now that it gets so close to my own experience, I brought anecdote only to be told by you that I don't care about people's lives.

Well bring figures, or bring anecdote (and not just some pain you have which you're afraid to have further surgery for). It's your thread, so it's up to you if you want to see it die in petty personal attacks, or want to see it live with accounts of personal experience.

I understand that your personal experience is much starker and more definitive than mine. But still. It's your thread. Do you want it to die like this?

 

[Renae]

Ooh, the OP bites!

Delays have consequences you say. It cuts both ways though. Delays in gender reassignment have consequences too. Like ... mastectomy which apparently you care about.



What? Really? Most of my contributions to this thread have been anecdotal, about myself or people I know.

On any other subject, I stick to the factual and use statistics. But now that it gets so close to my own experience, I brought anecdote only to be told by you that I don't care about people's lives.

Well bring figures, or bring anecdote (and not just some pain you have which you're afraid to have further surgery for). It's your thread, so it's up to you if you want to see it die in petty personal attacks, or want to see it live with accounts of personal experience.

I understand that your personal experience is much starker and more definitive than mine. But still. It's your thread. Do you want it to die like this?

Pretty sure at this point you only care about the agenda, and the agenda means some people will have their lives utterly ruined, so be it. Collateral damage and all.

 

[BirdinHand]

So your title has zero to do with the truth?

"“We offer gender affirming hormone care for patients 18 years and older at all of our health centers."

My title? I am not the OP.

 

[Ug make hammer]

Pretty sure at this point you only care about the agenda, and the agenda means some people will have their lives utterly ruined, so be it. Collateral damage and all.

I spilled my guts in your thread, but you think it's all for "my agenda".

I will post again two days from now, but only to confirm that I have made a payment of $100 to Planned Parenthood.

You and your agenda can go to hell.

 

[Renae]

I spilled my guts in your thread, but you think it's all for "my agenda".

I will post again two days from now, but only to confirm that I have made a payment of $100 to Planned Parenthood.

You and your agenda can go to hell.

Pretty sure at this point you only care about the agenda, and the agenda means some people will have their lives utterly ruined, so be it. Collateral damage and all.

 

[Renae]

Ooh, the OP bites!

Delays have consequences you say. It cuts both ways though. Delays in gender reassignment have consequences too. Like ... mastectomy which apparently you care about.



What? Really? Most of my contributions to this thread have been anecdotal, about myself or people I know.

On any other subject, I stick to the factual and use statistics. But now that it gets so close to my own experience, I brought anecdote only to be told by you that I don't care about people's lives.

Well bring figures, or bring anecdote (and not just some pain you have which you're afraid to have further surgery for). It's your thread, so it's up to you if you want to see it die in petty personal attacks, or want to see it live with accounts of personal experience.

I understand that your personal experience is much starker and more definitive than mine. But still. It's your thread. Do you want it to die like this?

Delays can have issues, but we're discussing the adverse affects of rushing. Those who are truly trans should be allowed to transition. I am the last person to say no, but I am also telling you that rushing kids through has negative consequences and we need a measured, and mature approach.

 

[mrjurrs]

My title? I am not the OP.

Oops. I'm ignoring the thread author and you showed up on top. Sorry about that.

 

[BirdinHand]

Oops. I'm ignoring the thread author and you showed up on top. Sorry about that.

Understood.

 

[Phys251]

And some secrets are bigger than others. It is best when teens don't have to hide such information from parents but when you have abusive/bigoted parents then a teen may have no choice. But you did not even make a distinction. You condemned any secrets from parents/guardians. Which, once again, is a very weird conservative talking point I see often.

By doing so, he implicitly condoned child abuse, which is common from the transphobic side.

 

[The Baron]

No no, we're told, PARENTS are supposed to be part of it..

Hormones for transgender youth - Transgender Map

I have a page on hormones, but this page is about getting hormones and blockers as a minor. This can be a big help, so choose what is right for you. Even if you do not think you can start hormones yet, you should think about taking a hormone blocker to make your puberty stop.

www.transgendermap.com

How to get hormones as a transgender minor - Transgender Map

For young people who are sure they want to make a gender change, getting on hormone blockers and maybe hormones can help a lot. You need to be sure, though. Hormone blockers will stop your puberty. If you stop taking them, your puberty will start again. Hormones may change your body so you can not

www.transgendermap.com

Come on man this is wrong.

So...you're against blockers?

 

[Renae]

So...you're against blockers?

I'm against kids doing things without proper guidance, and I'm against rushing children into this path. Did you know, for MTF the more... material they have to start with, the better? Can't really do that if you never hit puberty. Also there are studies showing that blockers can inhibit the ability to ever have orgasm. Ever. Hmm... yeah I'd say I am.

 

[Nilhus]

Planned Parenthood

So these morons instead of helping teenagers avoid unwanted pregnancies/babies, they're now promoting chemical mutilation based on pseudo-scientific garbage? One they they'll be hunted down like the terrorists!

 

[Phys251]

So these morons instead of helping teenagers avoid unwanted pregnancies/babies, they're now promoting chemical mutilation based on pseudo-scientific garbage? One they they'll be hunted down like the terrorists!

Maybe English isn't your first language, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

[buck]

Nothing to see here.

Headline: When a quarter of the class identifies as trans

A quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28. When I said that on Twitter recently, I was roundly attacked for being a TERF who makes up ridiculous stories to harm trans people. While I may be a TERF, I did not make this up. A quarter of the girls in my...

pitt.substack.com

1 quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28.

guess in the 90s, a lot of us were in anorexic friend groups,” said one mother. I think the similarities are striking, but there is one major difference: in the 90s, no medical professionals were encouraging these groups of girls in their skewed perceptions of their bodies, and their self-harm. No school celebrated anorexia. But this time, the doctors and schools are helping the anorexics to diet.

 

[Lisa]

Nothing to see here.

Headline: When a quarter of the class identifies as trans

A quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28. When I said that on Twitter recently, I was roundly attacked for being a TERF who makes up ridiculous stories to harm trans people. While I may be a TERF, I did not make this up. A quarter of the girls in my...

pitt.substack.com

I just read that screeching idiocy and the person who write it isn't intelligent enough to be MTG's speech writer. It is refreshing that she admits to being a TERF. I pity her kids and understand why they would be dressed. I'd also be depressed if that idiot was my mom.

Those teens aren't trans. They instead likely have body dysphoria, which is very common in teens who are starting puberty. Body dysphoria =/= gender dysphoria.

Body Dysmorphic Disorder (for Teens) - Nemours KidsHealth

For some people, worries about appearance become extreme and upsetting, interfering with their lives, a condition called body dysmorphic disorder.

kidshealth.org

 

[Ug make hammer]

Nothing to see here.

Headline: When a quarter of the class identifies as trans

A quarter of the girls in my daughter’s class identify as transgender. Seven out of 28. When I said that on Twitter recently, I was roundly attacked for being a TERF who makes up ridiculous stories to harm trans people. While I may be a TERF, I did not make this up. A quarter of the girls in my...

pitt.substack.com

7 from 28 eh? Either that's an insanely large class, or it's a girls' school. In the latter case, I think I can see the source of the "problem". Girls who don't want to be known as lesbians finding a more "acceptable" outlet for their sexual frustration.

Gender segregated schools are a terrible idea. Children should develop their sexuality when it feels right to them, not when they're 18 and cut loose to college or workplaces. Gender segregation belongs in the past, with nunneries and arranged marriages.