I will be honest and say I don't exactly know how they need to be changed exactly to effectively change the system, but I can see that the way it's been handled hasn't been working out too well (seeing as the gun debate has been going on since the 60's). I'm with the user who said guns and any kind of firearms at least need to be made much harder to access. There need to be stricter regulations and check-ups.
But my opinion is still that firearms do not belong in the hands of civilians. This is what we have the police and military for. Freedom and liberty must not be obtained at all costs , those being the countless lives of kids.
RD, I gave my rationale answer in the OP. We need to look at all the failures, asses what when wrong and why and formulate a solid response from there. Here, the original quote:
I gave you the answer you CLAIM you want, but either you ignored the OP or you read it and had no answers so you're playing word games.
What do I think should be done? I told you, clearly, I'm not the one that needs a new hobby.
So you're very clear and concise answer is "we should fix everything!"
Ground breaking research you've done there. I was trying to get yuo to specify exactly where you think the problems were and if current laws were adequate, or if you mean the system is broken because the police were handcuffed in what they could actually do. It's easy to say that the system failed because someone showed red flags and no one acted, but the real question is do they actually have permission to stop someone from doing something just based on reg flags.
And don't fool yourself. Nothing you've said has been clear. It's been emotional and void of any and all details.
In which way would banning guns make it any easier to fire bomb a school? It would not be any easier to access chamicals or dynamite or whatever than it is now.
Plus, I did mention, banning guns would only be a start to tackling the problem. If the system did keep a closer eye on mentally ill kids and provided enough help for them and did more in the regard of preventing any kind of violence resulting from that, than that would be the wholesome solution.
Gun abuse is happening nowhere as much as it is in the US, the country which happens to be the only one where guns are freely allowed in civilian hands.
Guns are allowed in civilian hands in Canada. There's lots of guns in Canada- 30% of households and an average of 3 guns each.
https://cssa-cila.org/rights/ten-myths-about-gun-control/
Mostly rifles. I have to take a handgun course and pass a test to have a handgun and it's not worth the aggravation.
It'd be much easier to take a gun into any school in Canada than any school in the US. No guards, no metal detectors, probably a sign by the door directing visitors to the office.
History tells us what happens when you have guns only in the hands of the Government and the criminals. No thank you.
See Japan and they have a population thriving without guns or nukes
See Japan and they have a population thriving without guns or nukes
I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment, but you haven't actually offered any solutions to "fix" the system you allege is to blame.
What could (and should) have occurred to prevent this particular incident?
Guns are allowed in civilian hands in Canada. There's lots of guns in Canada- 30% of households and an average of 3 guns each.
https://cssa-cila.org/rights/ten-myths-about-gun-control/
Mostly rifles. I have to take a handgun course and pass a test to have a handgun and it's not worth the aggravation.
It'd be much easier to take a gun into any school in Canada than any school in the US. No guards, no metal detectors, probably a sign by the door directing visitors to the office.
Well then obviously the problem isnt guns.
The problem is psycho killers with guns. That's what needs to be fixed. Psycho killers with guns.
Look I get it, the FL shooting was terrible, horrible and tragic. But the reality is the system had HOW many opportunities to stop this? From people reporting him, the school not reporting him to the police (that's a side issue of National Direction on school discipline failing... ) the police not following up, the FBI dropped the ball, hell this kid was raising huge red flags and no one acted.
Imagine if this, instead of a crazed kid with a long history of violence and mental health issues, was instead a repeat drunk driver, that was never arrested, never had his licence pulled. Imagine that same drunk driver plowing into a school bus killing a bunch of kids. Would we be demanding Alcohol be banned? Would Wal-Mart pull beer from the shelves? Would the https://www.nbwa.org be getting calls for boycotts? Would the manufacture of the vehicle he drove be called out for not installing a breathalyzer standard in all it's vehicles?
Of course not, all the out-rage would be at the police for failing, at the bar he drank at and at him for driving drunk.
I get it, a shooter is a different animal, but in a way both are pre-mediated acts of carnage and tragedy.
Instead of banning guns and attacking the NRA (seriously, that's the most asinine thing I've ever seen) let's fix the system that should have, would have stopped this kid had the system not been broken.
Let's have a serious look at what went wrong, why it went wrong and fix it across the board.
While we're at it, the conversation needs to include deterring these lunatics, gun free zones are just too dangerous.
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