This Election Was Stolen (1 Viewer)

[aquapub]

This election was stolen.

Notice how that claim has been made for every election in the last decade, but now that Democrats scraped out a razor thin majority (by 1-relentlessly undermining Iraq, 2-capitalizing on numerous scandals, and 3-acting like they DON'T want to raise taxes, hand Iraq over to terrorists, and set pedophiles, terrorists free) when historically, they should have swept Congress years ago, you could hear a pin drop?

Noticed all the Republican claims that this election was stolen?

Me neither.

Like I've always said, conservatives base their assertions on facts and evidence, liberals base theirs on adolescent hysteria and conspiracy theories.

American politics is a struggle between serious, substantive adults and liberals.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Have you considered the possibility that the reason that Republicans have not claimed the election was stolen was that they realized that they lost because the American public had become disenchanted with their policies? I know this is a difficult concept for many right wing extremists and party-line groupthinkers to grasp. Bush himself, on Nov. 8, identified that there were specific reasons that the American public voted Democratic, indicating scandals and the war in Iraq as two of them.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

I've said this in another thread, but voter suppression and electronic machine irregularities were serious concerns just a few days ago. Funny how they seem to have dropped those accusations now.

 

[shuamort]

Remember all of the disenfranchised polling place in the past decade where they inaccurately turned back people who were thought to be felons? Remember hanging chads? Remember the plethora of other major election problems that have since been remedied?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Remember all of the disenfranchised polling place in the past decade where they inaccurately turned back people who were thought to be felons? Remember hanging chads? Remember the plethora of other major election problems that have since been remedied?

Remedied? I would agree that they were remedied, but Democrats were screaming about these things just a week ago. What happened? Oh yeah, no need to call the process suspicious now that they won. :roll:

 

[Thorgasm]

Why don't we use the "ink on the finger" when we vote?:rofl

 

[aquapub]

Have you considered the possibility that the reason that Republicans have not claimed the election was stolen was that they realized that they lost because the American public had become disenchanted with their policies?

I know this is difficult for hysterical conspiracy theorists (a.k.a., liberals) to grasp, but the reason Republicans aren't claiming the election was stolen is that there is zero evidence to suggest it was.

Imagine that. Basing your assertions on substance. :roll:

And Americans did not vote against Republicans because they suddenly realized the wisdom of handing Iraq over to terrorists, setting terrorists and pedophiles loose, crippling the economy with taxes, frivolous lawsuits, minimum wage hikes, and union abuses.

They voted for people they have nothing in common with (Democrats) because Republicans had too many scandals and because the media relentlessly tells them the sky is falling in Iraq.

History tells us that any party that isn't dying should've swept Congress years ago. But just like liberal talk radio, liberal book sales, liberal TV...Americans will only take it if they have to.

 

[aquapub]

1) Remember all of the disenfranchised polling place in the past decade where they inaccurately turned back people who were thought to be felons?

2) Remember hanging chads?

3) Remember the plethora of other major election problems that have since been remedied?

1) Do I remember when liberals manufacturing false scandals to try and steal an election? Yes...

"According to Fahrenheit, Bush cronies hired Data Base Technologies to purge Florida voters who might vote for Gore, and these potential voters were purged from the voting rolls on the basis of race. ("Second, make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the vote count woman. And that her state has hired a company that's gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren't likely to vote for you. You can usually tell 'em by the color of their skin.") As explained by the Palm Beach Post, Moore's suggestion is extremely incomplete, and on at least one fact, plainly false."

http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm#2000_Election_Night

2) You mean those things liberals hyped up to get recounts in only liberal counties? Yes, what about them?

3) That's funny. Because liberals have been telling us, all the way up until the moment the results went their way, that our voting systems are still completely unreliable:

"Last month a Princeton professor of computer science, Edward Felton, and two colleagues managed to hack into a new electronic voting machine without detection and install a virus that could alter vote counts and infect a wider network of machines."

The Guardian. November 3, 2006. Pg. 7.US News: Warning of chaos over electronic ballot.

"A recent Princeton University study found one type of electronic voting machine easy to open and tamper with, a fact routinely cited by critics of the systems. That brand is not certified for use in California."

THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE. November 4, 2006. Pg. B2.CAMPAIGN 2006;
Absentee voting, electronic systems on rise; Registrars brace for computer glitches.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I know this is difficult for hysterical conspiracy theorists (a.k.a., liberals) to grasp, but the reason Republicans aren't claiming the election was stolen is that there is zero evidence to suggest it was.

Imagine that. Basing your assertions on substance. :roll:

If it was possible for myopic, whiney, spin doctoring Republicans to grasp inferences, then one who read my previous post would've understood that I was insinuating that Republicans understood that there was no evidence the election was stolen...that there were other reasons they lost. :doh

And Americans did not vote against Republicans because they suddenly realized the wisdom of handing Iraq over to terrorists, setting terrorists and pedophiles loose, crippling the economy with taxes, frivolous lawsuits, minimum wage hikes, and union abuses.

More innane straw man debating. I'm certain you'll try to :spin: and overgeneralize some situation to prove your point, like claiming that the ACLU supports pedophiles when in reality they support the first amendment. Your overgeneralizations weaken your arguments significatntly.

They voted for people they have nothing in common with (Democrats) because Republicans had too many scandals and because the media relentlessly tells them the sky is falling in Iraq.

The Republican Party has moved so far right, it is they that the American people have nothing in common with, as the election showed. Republicans have been unable to entice moderates (the real American majority) because of their stance on many issues, both domestic and foreign, and because of the 'if you don't agree with us, you're anti-American' attitude. Last I checked this was neither a dictatorship nor a one-party system.

History tells us that any party that isn't dying should've swept Congress years ago. But just like liberal talk radio, liberal book sales, liberal TV...Americans will only take it if they have to.

So, since the Republicans didn't sweep Congress does that mean they're dying, too? Or is this just more Repubican whining?

 

[Deegan]

Now that the Rep. have lost, we will see how this very important issue about how "Democracy is under attack" plays out? You witnessed it on MSNBC, CNN actually coined the phrase, and HBO has a documentary, now lets see how many folks are now concerned? It's a fair question to be sure, let's now wait and see how "important" this issue really is, and how much air time it receives now?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

This election was stolen.

Notice how that claim has been made for every election in the last decade, but now that Democrats scraped out a razor thin majority (by 1-relentlessly undermining Iraq, 2-capitalizing on numerous scandals, and 3-acting like they DON'T want to raise taxes, hand Iraq over to terrorists, and set pedophiles, terrorists free) when historically, they should have swept Congress years ago, you could hear a pin drop?

Noticed all the Republican claims that this election was stolen?

Me neither.

Like I've always said, conservatives base their assertions on facts and evidence, liberals base theirs on adolescent hysteria and conspiracy theories.

American politics is a struggle between serious, substantive adults and liberals.

Aquapub, you are an extremist. The majority of Americans do not think like you do. In order to placate people like you, right wing extremists, the Republican party vacated the center, and move to the right. This left an opening in the center for moderate and centrist Democrats to occupy and thus win. If you want your party to gain power again, they need to move back to the center.

Its that simple. I live in Kansas, the reddest state in America. Conservative Republicans got their *** kicked in state and local elections in this state. That had nothing to do with Iraq. People are just sick if hatemongering ideological conservatives. Your brand of conservatism is dead. Just like old style liberalism is dead. You are about a mile to the right of Middle America and that is your problem. You get on here and talk about being an adult, and the irony is I would wager that you are widely considered to be the biggest loon on these boards. Republicans lost all levels of government, not just congress. If they keep on listening to people like you, they will keep on losing.

 

[Iriemon]

Aquapub, you are an extremist. The majority of Americans do not think like you do. In order to placate people like you, right wing extremists, the Republican party vacated the center, and move to the right. This left an opening in the center for moderate and centrist Democrats to occupy and thus win. If you want your party to gain power again, they need to move back to the center.

Its that simple. I live in Kansas, the reddest state in America. Conservative Republicans got their *** kicked in state and local elections in this state. That had nothing to do with Iraq. People are just sick if hatemongering ideological conservatives. Your brand of conservatism is dead. Just like old style liberalism is dead. You are about a mile to the right of Middle America and that is your problem. You get on here and talk about being an adult, and the irony is I would wager that you are widely considered to be the biggest loon on these boards. Republicans lost all levels of government, not just congress. If they keep on listening to people like you, they will keep on losing.

It will be interesting to see if the Republicans take the election as a message to go moderate, or the Aquapubs and LImbaughs take command and they put up someone like Pat Roberts for a candidate in '08.

 

[Caine]

Aquapub, you are an extremist. The majority of Americans do not think like you do. In order to placate people like you, right wing extremists, the Republican party vacated the center, and move to the right. This left an opening in the center for moderate and centrist Democrats to occupy and thus win. If you want your party to gain power again, they need to move back to the center.

Its that simple. I live in Kansas, the reddest state in America. Conservative Republicans got their *** kicked in state and local elections in this state. That had nothing to do with Iraq. People are just sick if hatemongering ideological conservatives. Your brand of conservatism is dead. Just like old style liberalism is dead. You are about a mile to the right of Middle America and that is your problem. You get on here and talk about being an adult, and the irony is I would wager that you are widely considered to be the biggest loon on these boards. Republicans lost all levels of government, not just congress. If they keep on listening to people like you, they will keep on losing.

This is so true, especially the bolded portion in reference to local elections.

We had county board of commissioners elections where republicans had TV ads trying ot scare people into not voting one of our Dem Commisioners back in office because, "He would like to see gays be allowed to marry in Mecklenburg County." Funny thing is, THE COUNTY CANNOT PASS THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION WHEN THE STATE HAS ALREADY BANNED IT!
Yet the GOP actually wasted money on ADS trying to scare people away from voting for him. It almost worked too, but he retained his seat and Im laughing my *** off as the candidate that commercial supported did NOT get re-elected.

 

[aquapub]

1) I was insinuating that Republicans understood that there was no evidence the election was stolen...that there were other reasons they lost.

2) More innane straw man debating. I'm certain you'll try to :spin: and overgeneralize some situation to prove your point, like claiming that the ACLU supports pedophiles when in reality they support the first amendment. Your overgeneralizations weaken your arguments significatntly.

3) The Republican Party has moved so far right, it is they that the American people have nothing in common with, as the election showed.

4) So, since the Republicans didn't sweep Congress does that mean they're dying, too? Or is this just more Repubican whining?

1) Actually, what you were doing was falsely portraying a pathetic "victory" as some kind of sweeping endorsement of liberal views.

2) Federal prosecutors (and all sane people) disagree that NAMBLA's "rape and escape" manual is free speech as opposed to complicity to child molestation and to obstruction of justice.

Liberal lie for the ACLU's pro-pedophile crusade, like you just did. That's fact, not spin.

3) You say, as Joe Lieberman just got kicked out of the Democrat party for disagreeing with them on 10% of the issues.

Newsflash: unlike "pro-life Democrats," "pro-choice Republicans" are accepted by this party. It's this way on one issue to another.

It is the left that is run by Move-On and George Soros. The average campaign contribution for Republicans shows that average, mainstream Americans are the right's base, and vice versa.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gover...rats-rich.html?highlight=democrats+favor+rich

It can also be easily demonstrated that it is the left which has nothing in common with Americans.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...l-platforms/14117-liberals-true-minority.html

4) Only a total fool could see the sorry "victory" Democrats just had and conclude that Republicans are in any trouble at all.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

It will be interesting to see if the Republicans take the election as a message to go moderate, or the Aquapubs and LImbaughs take command and they put up someone like Pat Roberts for a candidate in '08.

They should go moderate, but I doubt they will, I went into this subject in detail in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/15212-death-conservatism-republican-catch-22-a.html

The problem they have is the hardcore right wingers actually think they represent mainstream America. Of course they don't. At least they hard core left wingers have sense enough to know that most Americans are more moderate than they are.

Here in Kansas, practically the reddest state in America, hard core conservatism was tried, and it failed. Every single state candidate or incumbent that ran on the ideology that guys like aquapub and Limbaugh profess, lost by a landslide to moderate Democrats. If their brand of conservatism won't even work in Kansas, then how do they expect the rest of America to buy it?

If Republicans want to become a majority party again, they are going to have to turn their back on the religious right and hatemongering nut jobs like Coulter and Aquapub. If they don't they will be stuck as the minority party for another 40 years just like the last time.

 

[aquapub]

Aquapub, you are an extremist.

Objecting to people who defend child molesters, protect terrorists, attack our troops, and sodomize our economy doesn't make me an extremist. It makes me normal, and aware of the ACTUAL extremists...the ones who have been taken over by Howard Dean, Move On, Michael Moore, George Soros...the ones who just kicked out Joe Lieberman for only being 90% liberal.

America is right of center and they vote that way unless something really extreme forces them not to-like rampant scandals and the media telling us (incessantly, for years) that the sky is falling in Iraq.

 

[aquapub]

It will be interesting to see if the Republicans take the election as a message to go moderate, or the Aquapubs and LImbaughs take command and they put up someone like Pat Roberts for a candidate in '08.

Translation: "When you provide facts and evidence that liberals have gone over the cliff, I will respond by calling you extreme." :notlook:

Wipe drivel from chin, put down shiny object, try to comprehend the evidence. Let's refresh:

Joe Lieberman just got kicked out of the Democrat party for disagreeing with them on 10% of the issues.

Newsflash: unlike "pro-life Democrats," "pro-choice Republicans" are accepted by this party. This is the general trend.

We had liberal Republicans like Swarzenegger and Guiliani, and even one Democrat speak at our national convention. Which Republicans or even mildly conservative Democrats spoke at yours

It is the left that is run by Move-On and George Soros. The average campaign contribution for Republicans shows that average, mainstream Americans are the right's base, and vice versa.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/govern...ats+favor+rich (Democrats Are For The Rich)

It can also be easily demonstrated that it is the left which has nothing in common with Americans.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...-minority.html (Liberals: The True Minority)

No matter what kind of evidence you go by, it is overwhelmingly clear that Republicans are the party of Middle America, and Democrats are the party of fringe fanatics.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

1) Actually, what you were doing was falsely portraying a pathetic "victory" as some kind of sweeping endorsement of liberal views.

You really shouldn't try assuming what I was saying. You really suck at it and it only makes you look foolish.

2) Federal prosecutors (and all sane people) disagree that NAMBLA's "rape and escape" manual is free speech as opposed to complicity to child molestation and to obstruction of justice.

Liberal lie for the ACLU's pro-pedophile crusade, like you just did. That's fact, not spin.

Show me any substantiation where the ACLU has come out and said 'we ar pro-pedophilia' as opposed to saying 'we support free speech', and maybe I'll take some of your partisan anti-liberal rhetoric as anything more than :spin:.

3) You say, as Joe Lieberman just got kicked out of the Democrat party for disagreeing with them on 10% of the issues.

Newsflash: unlike "pro-life Democrats," "pro-choice Republicans" are accepted by this party. It's this way on one issue to another.

It is the left that is run by Move-On and George Soros. The average campaign contribution for Republicans shows that average, mainstream Americans are the right's base, and vice versa.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/government-separation-powers/6569-democrats-rich.html?highlight=democrats+favor+rich

It can also be easily demonstrated that it is the left which has nothing in common with Americans.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-political-platforms/14117-liberals-true-minority.html

I'm at work, so I'll explore you're links later. For now, if I lived in Connecticut, I'd have voted for Lieberman. It is your delusion that the Democratic Party is run by extremists. If you actually read information about the recent election instead of sticking your head in the sand and whining about the Republicans losing, you'd know that a big reason that the Democrats won was because many of their candidates were moderates or moderate liberals not extremists. Moderates make up more than 2/3 of the population. By moving more to the center, Democrats have more in common with Americans than Republicans, who have mostly stayed far to the right.

4) Only a total fool could see the sorry "victory" Democrats just had and conclude that Republicans are in any trouble at all.

Want some cheese with that whine? :2wave:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

BTW, aguapub, your links don't work.

 

[tryreading]

They voted for people they have nothing in common with (Democrats) because Republicans had too many scandals and because the media relentlessly tells them the sky is falling in Iraq.

If one party does a terrible job, they usually lose to the other party.

It can also be easily demonstrated that it is the left which has nothing in common with Americans.

There it is again. Americans have nothing in common with Americans? Ree-dick-er-us.

Only a total fool could see the sorry "victory" Democrats just had and conclude that Republicans are in any trouble at all.

The American people gave the Republicans a 'thumpin,' is what I heard on Wednesday. President Bush said it.

Let's see:

1. Democrats won control of the House of Representatives
2. Democrats won control of the Senate
3. Democrats have one-party control of 15 state houses
4. Democrats won 28 governorships (Republicans had 28 before the election)
5. Democrats won 275 total state seats

Looks like a 'thumpin' to me.

 

[Dezaad]

Isn't it odd how the only recent election where there wasn't targeted fraud is the the election that Democrats won. . .

Actually, the reason why I have come into this thread is to say that if you are not concerned about the vulnerability of our elections to fraud, you should be, Democrat or Republican. It is foolish to try and spin this issue and not pay attention to protecting each person's right to vote. Elections have to have meaning if you expect to have unity.

There were problems with this election. I am not certain which side they favored, but I would gladly give up the Democratic Majority in Congress to have election reform.

Why do you not want everyone's vote protected, aquapub? Vulnerable election processes will benefit the parties that control the state governments, and right now that's more Democrats than Republicans. You should be concerned: Republicans aren't the only ones who are tempted by power.

 

[NYStateofMind]

I hope the Republicans listen to you, aquapub. It will guarantee that they will lose the next election too.

I appears that the Democrats have figured out what they need to do....move to the center. That's where the majority of Americans are found, not the extreme right or left.

The lesson of this election is an old one: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. When the people see the evidence of that happening, they do what needs to be done to bring things back into balance. The number one issue from the exit polls was corruption.

The Dems need to remember this. They lost power last time for the same reason.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Objecting to people who defend child molesters, protect terrorists, attack our troops, and sodomize our economy doesn't make me an extremist. It makes me normal, and aware of the ACTUAL extremists...the ones who have been taken over by Howard Dean, Move On, Michael Moore, George Soros...the ones who just kicked out Joe Lieberman for only being 90% liberal.

America is right of center and they vote that way unless something really extreme forces them not to-like rampant scandals and the media telling us (incessantly, for years) that the sky is falling in Iraq.

Only a completely irrational hatemonger would say that Democrats defend child molesters, protect terrorists, attack our troops, and sodomize our economy. I would further elaborate, but it would be as hopeless as trying to convince a Klansman the error of his ways.

You seem to forget that it was Democratic Congressional scandals that propelled the Republicans to power for the first time in 40 years in 1994. If America was the conservative nation you claim it to be, then why is it that Republicans despite having congress since 1994 and the presidency since 2001, have not been able to enact one iota of their core agenda. In fact, all they have been able to do since coming to power was pass a couple of tax cuts and welfare reform. And hell, the welfare system was so flawed that even LBJ tried to get up the support to reform it. Oh yeah, the one other crowning achievement of Republicans since coming to office was a exceedingly poorly written Medicare Drug Benefit. An entitlement expansion.

Think about it, the only significant mark that Republicans left on the United States Government was another huge entitlement. The problem conservative Republicans had was they came to office wanting to do away with entitlements and the liberal policies of the last century, yet they found that doing so was politically impossible because their was little public support for doing so. Sure, you ask just about anyone if they want a smaller more efficient government, and they will say yes. However, you go and try to eliminate any entitlements, and those same people will throw you out of office.

Why is that Aquapub if this country is so conservative?

Why did this conservative majority electorate you say exists not give Republicans the support necessary for Republicans to do away with all the Great Society programs and privatize Social Security and Medicare?

Why did this conservative majority electorate you say exists not give Republicans the support necessary to finally eliminate the minimum wage, and dissolve the EPA?

Those are conservative goals? Why would this conservative electorate you say exists not support them?

You know why? Because it does exist. The truth is, the majority of Americans just don't think like you do. They are not bigoted. They are not hatemongers. They don't think that either side has a monopoly on good ideas. They don't think that everything that liberals ever did was bad for the country. In fact, they see a lot of it as good. Does that mean that want European style socialism? Of course not. However, they sure as hell don't want your vision for America either.

The truth is most Americans are moderate. They are pragmatic, they don't rigidly adhere to political ideologies. They don't want conservative movement conservatism and they don't want old style liberalism either. The fact is, they are in the middle, and you and your radio hosts that you listen to all day, and the crazy bitch that writes your favorite books and even many in your party right now are about a mile to the right of them. That is your problem. That is why you lost at all levels of government Tuesday, you vacated the center, and you allowed Democrats to run moderates to fill the void. Until you come back to the center, you are going to just keep on losing.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

OK, aquapub, your links work, now. Firstly, citing your own opinions as substantiation is some of the most audacious yet pointless and irrelevant debating I've seen in a while. Secondly, your points were quite handlely refuted and shown to be, as ususal nothing more than partisan :spin:, giving only part of the story and telling lies by ommission. For example, I think you are aware that 'the average person', generally, doesn't contribute to campaigns, but of course, you omit that in your 'analysis', if that's what you want to call it. You seem to be debating like a mirage; looks pretty good at distance, but upon closer inspection, there isn't anything there.

 

[jfuh]

I've said this in another thread, but voter suppression and electronic machine irregularities were serious concerns just a few days ago. Funny how they seem to have dropped those accusations now.

Yes you also said a lot about loosing with class.
The electronic machines that republicans put in place as well as the disenfranchising of voters by republicans. Really back fired there didn't it? No paper trail with the voting machines meant no method of a true recount, would just have to trust the numbers the diebolds gave.