Think It Over

[Rich2018]

Only in your wet dream fantasy, and that goes for both me and almost everybody else....

Yeah, tough talk - you hear it all the time in every bar

...most gun owners will turn over their guns, bullets first.

Says who ?

The evidence contradicts you.

 

[Rucker61]

Every gun owner is another potential "Paddock".

Do you really not understand that ?

Does that mean that every male is a potential rapist?

If you are so afraid that every gun owner is a potential Paddock, GBTE.

 

[Rich2018]

Does that mean that every male is a potential rapist?

If you are so afraid that every gun owner is a potential Paddock, GBTE.

No, how do you make that jump ?


Though you could argue that every male who goes out of his way to buy the means to overpower someone is a potential mugger/rapist.

 

[Rucker61]

No, how do you make that jump ?


Though you could argue that every male who goes out of his way to buy the means to overpower someone is a potential mugger/rapist.

It's your logic. You feel that every gun owner is a potential mass shooter just because they own a gun. That same logic implies every man is a potential rapist, and as you note, any with the capability of threatening anyone with violence is a potential mugger.

The law doesn't work that way.

If you truly feel that every gun owner is a potential mass shooter, and with 80-100 million gun owners and 300-400 million guns, you should acknowledge that fear and GBTE. To do anything different implies you aren't really afraid or you're insane.

 

[DebateChallenge]

And just one of the mass shootings in the USA that happen at a rate of almost one per DAY

Paddock was just one man and he killed 58 people (plus himself) and injured hundreds more.

And most of the hundreds of million gun owners never go on shooting rampages like Paddock did.

So what ????


Every gun owner is another potential "Paddock".

Do you really not understand that ?

And far less than one percent of them ever become "Paddocks" or ever use their guns to shoot innocent people. To ban guns would be punishing the many for the actions of the few, you said so yourself.

Although punishing the many for the actions of the few would be an understatement, you would be punishing the many for the actions of the very very very few.

You've got many lottery players but very few lottery winners. The ratio of lawful gun owners who never shoot innocent people to the ratio of lawful gun owners who cease to be lawful and do shoot innocent people is perhaps far less than even the ratio of lottery players to lottery winners.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Says who ?

The evidence contradicts you.

What evidence? We've yet to have a nationwide door to door gun seizure which you've fantasized about.

 

[ryzorsden]

If you look at all the pro-gun crowd, they literally spew the same cliched phrases at you:

"THe only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!"

"Criminals will always get guns!"

"Cars kill people!"

"You're just trying to take away my gun!"

All of these simpleton arguments prevent any type of discussion.

Maybe you on the pro-gun side could actually appear to be reasonable if you would at least listen and present your own solutions.

 

[TurtleDude]

No, how do you make that jump ?


Though you could argue that every male who goes out of his way to buy the means to overpower someone is a potential mugger/rapist.

that's really stupid. it is akin to saying anyone who works out or takes martial arts classes is practicing to be a mugger or thug

 

[TurtleDude]

If you look at all the pro-gun crowd, they literally spew the same cliched phrases at you:

"THe only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!"

"Criminals will always get guns!"

"Cars kill people!"

"You're just trying to take away my gun!"

All of these simpleton arguments prevent any type of discussion.

Maybe you on the pro-gun side could actually appear to be reasonable if you would at least listen and present your own solutions.

this is coming from people who

1) claim they want to stop criminals yet only propose laws that limit the legal rights of honest people

2) claim people who aren't deterred by the consequences of a murder or armed robbery conviction, worry about breaking a gun law

3) claim people who import and traffic billions of dollars in south American narcotics won't be able to get hold of guns if guns are banned

4) pretend armed criminals cause their hysterics, yet almost all their verbal attacks are upon lawful gun owners and the NRA

5) claim that their anti gun schemes aren't political yet 98% of the anti gun schemes come from left-wingers

 

[DebateChallenge]

"THe only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!"

Not necessarily, a bomb could stop a bad guy with a gun although that would be overkill.

"Criminals will always get guns!"

Well that's true. Making a law that outlaws guns will not stop criminals from getting guns. Criminals don't follow the law, that's what makes them criminals.

"Cars kill people!"

No its the drivers that kill people, not the cars themselves. Same thing with guns, its the users that kill people, not the guns themselves.

"You're just trying to take away my gun!"

Well that's certainly true about some people who want more gun control, Rich2018 is an excellent example of that.

All of these simpleton arguments prevent any type of discussion.

They're not all simpleton arguments, if you look into them and analyze them as I did.

Maybe you on the pro-gun side could actually appear to be reasonable if you would at least listen and present your own solutions.

I've presented solutions, now if you could listen and appear reasonable.

 

[Rich2018]

that's really stupid....

Why does the USA not want other countries to develop nuclear weapons ?

 

[Rich2018]

And most of the hundreds of million gun owners never go on shooting rampages like Paddock did...

So what

The current attitude is to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted

No action against Stephen Paddock until he started shooting


So we wait on the 100 million or so gun owners to see which ones will decide to start shooting.

There's been 24 this year all ready:

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

 

[DebateChallenge]

There's been 24 this year all ready:

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

Most if not all of them did not own the guns legally to begin with.

 

[Maccabee]

Why does the USA not want other countries to develop nuclear weapons ?

Correction, they don't want other countries who have shown to be hostile to the US and it's allies to have nuclear weapons.

 

[Rich2018]

Most if not all of them did not own the guns legally to begin with.

They got them off some...who got them off some...who did get them legally.


Besides what's your criteria for "most" ?

Have you actually researched all 24 cases ?

Which ones had legally owned guns ?

 

[Rich2018]

Correction, they don't want other countries who have shown to be hostile to the US and it's allies to have nuclear weapons.

Has India shown to be hostile to the USA ?

 

[Maccabee]

Has India shown to be hostile to the USA ?

Is India one of the countries that the US doesn't want to have nukes?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Which ones had legally owned guns ?

None.