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Think It Over

Bullseye said:
You spew this tripe repeatedly, get proven wrong over and over. And yet you never come up with anything new. Gun ownership does NOT "supersede any law or constitution", it is GUARANTEED in the constitute. Whether a gun is a necessity or not is irrelevant, it's a right.

You are correct about #3, by the way.
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But for some reason he keeps missing #4, in order to even get to #3 proper political action would have to take place that would get us to #3, that is never going to happen in the USA.
 
Rich2018 said:
So the NRA and gun manufacturers are probably behind mass shootings to boost sales...
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The NRA and gun manufacturers are behind stopping mass shootings. They provide the guns, and the rights to carry and use them, to security forces that stop mass shootings and that includes armed guards at clubs, armed security at airports, armed faculty and staff at schools, ect.
 
Rich2018 said:
And the OP was trying to say that it's the GC lobby that acts unthinkingly.
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That's exactly what they do,the GC lobby. If a shooting happens all they can do is run in circles and scream and shout before someone comes to their wits and see's the light of of day
and without giving it a further thought,dream up some kind of gun control legislation. Parkland for instance. Probably one of the most preventable school shootings. The school dropped the ball as did the state as did Broward as did the FBI. Who gets the blame? Why we gun owners do. So WHAT GETS BANNED? Freaking bump stocks when that wasn't even used. Worse it was an E.O.
 
TurtleDude said:
The GC crowd comes to its position almost always due to politics and ignorance. You really meet someone who has spent years around firearms who is a big gun banner unless they are government operatives with a machiavellian motivation. Most anti gun folks are urban or suburban liberals who are disgusted by the fact that Gun owners tend to vote for politicians who are not socialists, nor do they support issues near and dear to urban liberals such as abortion on demand. So the GC movement is mainly about power and political paybacks with pandering to the masses on top of that. But those arguments don't really sell well in the public, so the GCAs have to pretend their schemes are designed to make people safer. But when they make those arguments, they run into people who actually understand the issues and hammer them mercilessly on the errors the GCAs make.
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This is my most beloved gun banner error.
Most gun owners and even those that do not can spot the error right off, yet they paid someone to draw and color it, then approved it for publication and posting.
Not real bright are they?
...and it shows they know next to nothing about their subject.
Note how they made the bore the same diameter as the cartridge base....so i guess it must be a blow gun or something.

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PleasantValley said:
This is my most beloved gun banner error.
Most gun owners and even those that do not can spot the error right off, yet they paid someone to draw and color it, then approved it for publication and posting.
Not real bright are they?
...and it shows they know next to nothing about their subject.
Note how they made the bore the same diameter as the cartridge base....so i guess it must be a blow gun or something.

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a lie like their ad travels far faster than bullets
 
zsu2357 said:
Isn't that what you gun grabbers believe?
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No

The argument is that guns kill
Less guns = less shootings
Take away all guns (or as close to all as you can get) and you'll have gun crime levels akin to the UK
The UK has had one mass shooting since 1996 (pop 60 million)
 
I have thought it over and seems the gun lovers need 20-30 rounds to hit that deer.
 
Pedestrian said:
I have thought it over and seems the gun lovers need 20-30 rounds to hit that deer.
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the only people who spew such idiocy are gun banners or gun control propagandists.
 
Rucker61 said:
Why do you think that?
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He doesn't, it is just a lie the gun banners repeat over and over. I have never heard a pro-rights activist claim we "need" 30 round magazines for deer hunting
 
Rich2018 said:
Whenever a new gun outrage happens, there are re-newed calls for gun control.


The gun lobby has an unthinking knee-jerk reaction into one or more of the following arguments against gun control:


1. Gun ownership is a natural right that supersedes any law or constitution:

2. Guns are a Necessity:
a. To defend against the lawless
b. To provide food (for those living outside reasonable traveling distance from a shop)

3. Gun Control is Impossible:
a. There are just too many guns to even try to remove them from private ownership
b. No law enforcement would ever obey an order to seize them anyway.
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It is a right, that is the law as outlined in the Constitution so anybody that uses argument number one is correct.

3a is correct.
3b has to be. Police take an oath to uphold the Constitution.
 
Pedestrian said:
Seems most gun owners and enthusiasts claim they hunt with their guns. So why 20-30 rounds ?
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I'd like to see your data on "most"; in any case, when they hunt big game, they are typically limited to five rounds, which as achieved with a 10 round magazine and a capacity limiter. For hunting varmints, full size magazines are legal. For target shooting and competition, full size magazines are typically used.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It is a right, that is the law as outlined in the Constitution so anybody that uses argument number one is correct.

3a is correct.
3b has to be. Police take an oath to uphold the Constitution.
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You're not reading right.

The Gun Lobby's position was even if guns were banned (requiring an amendment to the Constitution) then they would still have a natural right to gun ownership.
ie: this "natural right" supersedes any law or constitution

The USA fought Imperial Japan and the Nazis...won the Cold War, won the Space Race
But there are some tasks that are too big for it ?


I agree that US Law Enforcement (including if necessary the military) would follow the law/Constitution and follow orders.
Some members of the gun lobby dispute this.
 
DebateChallenge said:
… The thing about the gun control crowd is that most of the people in that crowd don't think it over, they just look at raw facts and come to immediate conclusions which are sloppy and not well thought over.
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You're basing that on WHAT data?

DebateChallenge said:
In the Brady Campaign where they've got no brain this is very common.
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Are you making fun of a guy that was shot in the head as a defense of gun rights?

DebateChallenge said:
Most of the gun deaths are suicides. ... Very very rarely are gun deaths ever the result of guns that are lawfully owned by law abiding citizens.
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What about the suicides?

DebateChallenge said:
If we were to look at just the gun deaths that are from guns owned by law abiding citizens we would have a gun death rate that would be if not as low as Japan's rate perhaps as low as the UK's rate.
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That is basically a "what about" argument. I don't care what happens in other countries, my concern is the mass shootings that happen frequently in These United States; which you artfully never mention. ???
 
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