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"They're turning the whales gay!"

Behaving homosexually was accepted by pagan cultures. But for the Israelites and Christians it has never been an acceptable form of behavior. Homosexual sex is what made "platonic" relationships suspect. In fact, I believe that some "platonic" relationships have been mislabeled by the homosexual community in their efforts to be "normalized" as natural... I've even heard homosexuals try to label the relationship of David with Jonathan in the Bible as being "homosexual". I see it as a very close true loving relationship between very close friends. Nothing at all wrong with that. It's the sex that spoils friendships.
 
LittleNipper said:
Behaving homosexually was accepted by pagan cultures. But for the Israelites and Christians it has never been an acceptable form of behavior. Homosexual sex is what made "platonic" relationships suspect.
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No homosexuals did not make people suspicious. That's you trying to make an excuse for your rancid beliefs. Homosexual sex has been part of humanity since the beginning.
LittleNipper said:
In fact, I believe that some "platonic" relationships have been mislabeled by the homosexual community in their efforts to be "normalized" as natural...
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Yeah this has happened.
Only the last 60 or so years. The previous 17,000 no.

Yeah it's totally The gays that did that. It did coincide at all with the concept of homosexuality being created in the freak out today happened as a result and it coincides almost precisely but that didn't have anything to do with it.

Look at what's happening. Fewer and fewer men in western culture are getting married the birth rate is dropping. You can blame gays for this but you'll have to explain why it didn't happen in the 1700s or the 1100s
 
CLAX1911 said:
No homosexuals did not make people suspicious. That's you trying to make an excuse for your rancid beliefs. Homosexual sex has been part of humanity since the beginning.
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Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 2:21-24
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

CLAX1911 said:
Yeah this has happened.
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Absolutely, and heterosexuals have also contributed to such wrong views and opinions...
CLAX1911 said:
Only the last 60 or so years. The previous 17,000 no.
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The last 60 years have certainly been confusing. That's about the time Bible exercises were kicked out of school and other things began to replace it...
Birth rates dropped as a result of abortion. Fewer men maybe getting married because it has become socially acceptable to play the field... It didn't happen as widely earlier because of the religious values of polite society at the time, and arranged marriages were the norm.
 
Bible quotes don't fix your lie. Soon as you would do that when you're caught so this isn't really religion for you it's just something to hide behind.

There has been homosexual men through all of time why is it just in the last 30 or so years that it's a problem?
LittleNipper said:
Absolutely, and heterosexuals have also contributed to such wrong views and opinions...
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I'm not saying it said this grouper that group thing. It's an entire culture thing maybe people have said that because it might help people despise homosexuals less.
LittleNipper said:
The last 60 years have certainly been confusing. That's about the time Bible exercises were kicked out of school and other things began to replace it...
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I don't think this has anything to do with biblical values or the absence thereof because you'll go to the church and it's the same thing it's just as woke as the public schools. I think it's a cultural thing and I think the culprit is something other than not really but sort of kind of maybe a little bit changing our views on schools.
No birth rates haven't dropped because of abortion. Pregnancy rates have dropped you can't have an abortion if you're not pregnant. And no she were men are not getting married because they can play the field they can't. Mormon by the age of 30 today are virgins than ever before in recorded history. Religious values don't come into play humans have been sleeping around with each other since the dawn of Christianity. Just trying to hush it up to save face doesn't change what you used to happen what's happening now is different.

Maybe you just want to answer to every question to be Christianity I let really kind of makes you myopic and useless in this conversation. When they only took you have is a hammer.
 
LittleNipper said:
. Nothing at all wrong with that. It's the sex that spoils friendships.
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Why would you be having sex with friends that are platonic? If you have to work real hard against the idea of having sex with your same sex friends you're gay.

The sex is for relationships and it helps those.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Bible quotes don't fix your lie. Soon as you would do that when you're caught so this isn't really religion for you it's just something to hide behind.
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It isn't a lie and I don't wish to compromise my faith
CLAX1911 said:
There has been homosexual men through all of time why is it just in the last 30 or so years that it's a problem?
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You are oblivious to the facts. Homosexuality was once punishable by death and that was more than 30 years ago. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=englishfacpubs
 
joluoto said:
Either sex is only meant for procreation, or it isn't meant only for procreation. Pick one.
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Sex was created by GOD to be only acted upon between a Husband and his Wife, and in doing so, the couple would be open to the possibility of procreating a baby. Just because a Husband and Wife have sex doesn't mean that they will always have a child. I'm very sure that even in families with 8 children, that the husband and wife had sex more than 8 times... Today, we live in a society that has modern contraceptives, and still it relies on abortion to end pregnancies. This is a very indulgent, arrogant, self-righteous world we live in. And it only seems to seek additional rationalizations to appease its appetite for every sort of permissive behavior it can imagine and share without any remorse or shame.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Why would you be having sex with friends that are platonic? If you have to work real hard against the idea of having sex with your same sex friends you're gay.

The sex is for relationships and it helps those.
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Why would YOU? You are the one who brought up the word! Or did you somehow forget the following remark you made: You got young men so afraid to be absolutely platonically close to another man that they spend their entire lives alone.

I for one find NOTHING wrong with platonic relationships. A platonic relationship or emotion is loving but not sexual.
 
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LittleNipper said:
It isn't a lie and I don't wish to compromise my faith
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Nobody's asking you to compromise your faith. You just can't have it be the answer to every question. It makes you come off as stuck up, holier than thou.
LittleNipper said:
You are oblivious to the facts. Homosexuality was once punishable by death and that was more than 30 years ago. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=englishfacpubs
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I'm not talking about homosexuality. I'm talking about how are culture has made everyone so neurotic about homosexuality to the point plutonic friendships suffer. You want to make this about sex and being homosexual. And also I never blamed Christians it's a culture wide thing.

I'm a homosexual myself and I'm nervous about getting close to men I don't have any sexual attraction to. So I'm not setting gay people up to be the saints either. I'm a product of the culture.
 
LittleNipper said:
Why would YOU?
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I don't.
LittleNipper said:
You are the one who brought up the word! Or did you somehow forget the following remark you made: You got young men so afraid to be absolutely platonically close to another man that they spend their entire lives alone.
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So how did you interpret this to mean gay sex?

this is what I'm talking about
LittleNipper said:
I for one find NOTHING wrong with platonic relationships. A platonic relationship or emotion is loving but not sexual.
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Well again I'm not blaming you. I'm talking about a cultural thing. I don't think it was your fault or even Christians fault. Sorry if I said it in a way that made you think that.
 
But the point is for some people having a baby is impossible say a woman has a hysterectomy for example. You should be as opposed to her getting into a relationship with a man as you are to me getting in a relationship with a man to be logically consistent.

Now if you said you opposed same-sex couples because God said so if you're not trying to connect it to procreation that would be more consistent less rational but more consistent.

I it seems trying to connect it's to procreation only sometimes just when it's two guys are two women is you trying to make a rational point out of something that isn't rational outside of a religious context.
 
The bearly church fathers were not fans of marriage or sex overall. They were of the opinion that everyone should be celibate. Tertullian and Gregory of Nyssa argued that marriage was bondage, and celibacy was freedom (ironically they were both married). Tertullian also argued that widows and widowers remarrying was adultery. Jerome argued that it is good for a man to never touch a woman, and for a woman to never touch a man, implying that even within marriage touching was bad, while St. John Chrysostom argued that celibacy was imitating angels, and that being a virgin is imitating the life of Jesus, that every Christian obviously should do. And Cyprian argued that "go forth and multiply" simply wasn't needed anymore because the Earth was full. The early church considered marriage a hurdle on the way to really prefered status: world celibacy. So if you go with early church rules you should never have sex, even within marriage it's evil.

Marriage did not become a sacrament in the Western church before the Coucil of Verona in 1184. And the whole thing that a priest is necessary for a marriage wasn't codified before the Council of Trent 1563.
 
What one must consider is that what some Church fathers wrote and what the Bible has to say, are not one and the same. In the Old Testament for example; if a woman lost her husband, a brother or relative of the husband was to marry the widow to carry on the deceased's name. This is what essentually happened in the story of Ruth --where Ruth ended up marrying Boaz who was a relative of Elimelech (Naomi's husband), who would have been related to Ruth by way of Ruth's husband that died in Moab. And so Boaz became a Kinsman-Redeemer, though Boaz and Ruth loved each other. The BIBLE is the only absolute authority which overrides all other interpretations, as it represents GOD's Word. The Roman Catholic Church, with its pope is in many regards an apostate organization and I wouldn't regard it as authoritative except of itself.
 
I am against only those relationships where either intended is of a different faith, and where the relationship between the two doesn't illustrate the original relationship concept as GOD created marriage originally. It isn't a matter of what you or I want. It is entirely a matter of what GOD intended. Marriage is GOD's illustrative representation of CHRIST with HIS Church. And so marriage should NEVER be taken likely, and as such GOD hates divorce.
 
I do not interpret a platonic relationship as homosexual nor heterosexual. It's non-sexual. It's a friendship. Thank you for your clarification.
 
Is it "very indulgent, arrogant, and self-righteous" of a married couple to use birth control?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Nobody's asking you to compromise your faith. You just can't have it be the answer to every question. It makes you come off as stuck up, holier than thou.
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BUT GOD IS the answer. And why should an ATHEIST be able to always fall back on his Marco-Evolution and Scientific interpretations of data. Isn't that essentially the very same thing. Are they not "stuck up."
 
Lycanthrope said:
Is it "very indulgent, arrogant, and self-righteous" of a married couple to use birth control?
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Personally, I am of the opinion that birth control is dangerous because one is playing with hormones. And I simply cannot believe that such is not without possible health consequences, as with abortion.
 
LittleNipper said:
Personally, I am of the opinion that birth control is dangerous because one is playing with hormones. And I simply cannot believe that such is not without possible health consequences, as with abortion.
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Not all birth control involves hormones.
 
Considering that same-sex mating behavior is biologically hardwired as a phenotypic expression of sexuality in mammals this does not surprise me. There is a species of ram that we use as a model for understanding the homosexual phenotype as 10% of them solely mate with other males. Since homosexuality is a variation in human biology it shouldn't be a shock to see it in nearly all other species that have binary gender mating instincts.
 
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