These Covid-19 symptoms raise new questions

[minnie616]

Very interesting study comparing Covid 19 patients with patients from VA hospitals who did not have Covid 19.

From :
Good word News :

The suddenness of the pandemic and the suddenness of so many deaths has been unspeakably tragic. Yet for patients and families who have managed to remain Covid-free for the past two years, the fear of Covid and the urgent desire to protect themselves may have been dulled by the weather and the relatively mild symptoms that have been widely reported. with the latest disturbing variant.



But now, with a high risk of heart disease, stroke and blood clots as possible long-term effects of Covid-19 – conditions that can be chronic and slowly debilitating – perhaps VA researchers will do something the nearly one million American deaths haven’t: scaring a large swath of vaccine-hesitant people into rolling up their sleeves and getting vaccinated.

https://goodwordnews.com/opinion-these-covid-19-symptoms-raise-new-questions/

 

[HIP56948]

My wife and I have the Omicron variant, as I write. Think we got it from a friend of my wife.
She came over last week (Sunday) We noticed Tuesday morning that we both coughed some. Since we have the test kits, we did the test.
Yep..both have. Felt like a severe cold Wed,Thursday, but yesterday and today, most symptoms are gone.
As I write now, seems to be 90 percent gone. Little tired but no big deal.
BUT..if we had not gotten off of our asses a few months ago and completed all 3 shots of vaccine..our asses would be in some room
with all kinds of crap stuck down our throats.
Boy, you know..I think it was worth standing in line for the shots. I'm a happy man.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Very interesting study comparing Covid 19 patients with patients from VA hospitals who did not have Covid 19.

From :
Good word News :

The suddenness of the pandemic and the suddenness of so many deaths has been unspeakably tragic. Yet for patients and families who have managed to remain Covid-free for the past two years, the fear of Covid and the urgent desire to protect themselves may have been dulled by the weather and the relatively mild symptoms that have been widely reported. with the latest disturbing variant.



But now, with a high risk of heart disease, stroke and blood clots as possible long-term effects of Covid-19 – conditions that can be chronic and slowly debilitating – perhaps VA researchers will do something the nearly one million American deaths haven’t: scaring a large swath of vaccine-hesitant people into rolling up their sleeves and getting vaccinated.

https://goodwordnews.com/opinion-these-covid-19-symptoms-raise-new-questions/

Maybe, but I doubt it at this point.

 

[Lutherf]

Very interesting study comparing Covid 19 patients with patients from VA hospitals who did not have Covid 19.

From :
Good word News :

The suddenness of the pandemic and the suddenness of so many deaths has been unspeakably tragic. Yet for patients and families who have managed to remain Covid-free for the past two years, the fear of Covid and the urgent desire to protect themselves may have been dulled by the weather and the relatively mild symptoms that have been widely reported. with the latest disturbing variant.



But now, with a high risk of heart disease, stroke and blood clots as possible long-term effects of Covid-19 – conditions that can be chronic and slowly debilitating – perhaps VA researchers will do something the nearly one million American deaths haven’t: scaring a large swath of vaccine-hesitant people into rolling up their sleeves and getting vaccinated.

https://goodwordnews.com/opinion-these-covid-19-symptoms-raise-new-questions/

Right. If going on and on about how the virus is an automatic death sentence doesn't work because it turns out that getting the virus IS NOT an automatic death sentence then it's important to come up with another scare tactic such as, "you might not die NOW but you will die sooner or later".

See, this is what I have been talking about since day one and I get ridiculed for it all the time...The virus is 100% deadly, eventually. It might take 113 years to kill you but some day you're going to die and your death will be due to Covid.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Right. If going on and on about how the virus is an automatic death sentence doesn't work because it turns out that getting the virus IS NOT an automatic death sentence then it's important to come up with another scare tactic such as, "you might not die NOW but you will die sooner or later".

See, this is what I have been talking about since day one and I get ridiculed for it all the time...The virus is 100% deadly, eventually. It might take 113 years to kill you but some day you're going to die and your death will be due to Covid.

You get ridiculed because your arguments are ignorant and you are arguing a straw man. No one has said the virus is an automatic death sentence. What intelligent people have argued is that there are risks to COVID, not just death, but also cardio/pulmonary risks, and those risks are almost entirely mitigated with extremely safe, effective, and btw free, vaccinations. Thus only fools avoid being vaccinated for COVID. Moreover, only fools make this a political issue. Frankly, I cannot think of anything dumber then allowing your personal politics to dictate your personal medical decisions.

 

[Lutherf]

You get ridiculed because your arguments are ignorant and you are arguing a straw man. No one has said the virus is an automatic death sentence. What intelligent people have argued is that there are risks to COVID, not just death, but also cardio/pulmonary risks, and those risks are almost entirely mitigated with extremely safe, effective, and btw free, vaccinations. Thus only fools avoid being vaccinated for COVID. Moreover, only fools make this a political issue. Frankly, I cannot think of anything dumber then allowing your personal politics to dictate your personal medical decisions.

Maybe you haven't noticed this but the government gods everyone seems to be worshiping keep moving their goal posts.

Masks we unnecessary and then became necessary and then became essential. Dining indoors was guaranteed to get you Covid but only if you were standing. If your ass was in a chair then you were immune from Covid. If people weren't coming out and saying that catching Covid was a death sentence then it was damned sure implied. The vaccine was nothing but a campaign stunt in 2020 but in 2021 it's the only way we can save humanity. The unvaccinated not only die from Covid but they pass it to the vaccinated people who won't die because the vaccine is 100% safe...except for all the vaccinated people that have died with Covid. We COULD talk about people that have died of become chronically ill from the vaccine but that's all misinformation and likely treasonous so we won't do that.

The hyperventilation over this thing has been freaking insane and it really doesn't seem to be getting a lot better.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Maybe you haven't noticed this but the government gods everyone seems to be worshiping keep moving their goal posts.

Masks we unnecessary and then became necessary and then became essential. Dining indoors was guaranteed to get you Covid but only if you were standing. If your ass was in a chair then you were immune from Covid. If people weren't coming out and saying that catching Covid was a death sentence then it was damned sure implied. The vaccine was nothing but a campaign stunt in 2020 but in 2021 it's the only way we can save humanity. The unvaccinated not only die from Covid but they pass it to the vaccinated people who won't die because the vaccine is 100% safe...except for all the vaccinated people that have died with Covid. We COULD talk about people that have died of become chronically ill from the vaccine but that's all misinformation and likely treasonous so we won't do that.

The hyperventilation over this thing has been freaking insane and it really doesn't seem to be getting a lot better.

Again, I don't understand this wallowing in ignorance.

Right now, you are 62 times more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated and boosted.

You are 5 times more likely to contract COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated.

That is just reality. If you look at the total COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, around 98% have been unvaccinated. So again, only a fool is unvaccinated. If you are unvaccinated, then you are a fool, its that simple.

 

[Lursa]

Maybe you haven't noticed this but the government gods everyone seems to be worshiping keep moving their goal posts.

Masks we unnecessary and then became necessary and then became essential. Dining indoors was guaranteed to get you Covid but only if you were standing. If your ass was in a chair then you were immune from Covid. If people weren't coming out and saying that catching Covid was a death sentence then it was damned sure implied. The vaccine was nothing but a campaign stunt in 2020 but in 2021 it's the only way we can save humanity. The unvaccinated not only die from Covid but they pass it to the vaccinated people who won't die because the vaccine is 100% safe...except for all the vaccinated people that have died with Covid. We COULD talk about people that have died of become chronically ill from the vaccine but that's all misinformation and likely treasonous so we won't do that.

The hyperventilation over this thing has been freaking insane and it really doesn't seem to be getting a lot better.

Previously posted:

According to you, either we should never have changed our epidemiology strategy SINCE March 2020 --or-- we should have done nothing until we knew EVERYTHING about covid and THEN told people what to do. ​

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Which one would you have recommended, since you are so critical about adapting to actual covid epidemic reality?​

--and--

As has been true the entire epidemic, the govts, state and fed, will be in react mode and it's going to stay that way. They will have to continue to change their recommendations based on a number of things, including new variants, the demographics of immunity, levels of sickness and hospitalizations, treatments that become available, economic factors, etc etc etc.​

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How hard is it to recognize and accept that "changes" are going to remain common, are not always going to be fully accurate or effective, arent going to be popular and will continue to require sacrifice, and arent likely to be 'timely?' Again...we're ALWAYS in reactive mode and govts take a long time to pivot, esp. the fed.​

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It's time for people to realize that 'stability' is not in the cards for the foreseeable future.​

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Who doesnt understand that viruses change as they progress thru populations? Esp a novel virus like covid that is still working its way thru new meat? and that we've been in reactive mode almost the entire time? Having to observe and research the entire time.​

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There's a certain segment of people that need things to be black and white and cant handle when things change. It rocks their sense of security, it confuses them, they're often too lazy to apply some critical thinking to adjust to changing situations. These are the people that look to authoritarian leaders. "Declare it, enforce it, dont change it." Better to be consistent rather than effective. These are (still ) mostly The Donald's followers.​

 

[Lutherf]

Again, I don't understand this wallowing in ignorance.

Right now, you are 62 times more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated and boosted.

You are 5 times more likely to contract COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated.

That is just reality. If you look at the total COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, around 98% have been unvaccinated. So again, only a fool is unvaccinated. If you are unvaccinated, then you are a fool, its that simple.

With all due respect, even BEFORE there was a vaccine your chances of a negative outcome from COVID was FAR more dependent on underlying medical conditions than anything else. If, for example, you were 90 years old with COPD, Diabetes and 150 pounds overwieght your chances of getting killed by Covid were WAY higher than if you were 90 and reasonably healthy. Nobody talks about that because it doesn't help the "Yer Gonna Die!" narrative. Hundereds of millions of people have had covid and RECOVERED. We don't hear anything about that because, again, it doesn't fit the narrative.

I get it. Covid is a more serious problem for some people than the flu is. It isn't a joke. It's also not a crazy catastrophe for most people.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

With all due respect, even BEFORE there was a vaccine your chances of a negative outcome from COVID was FAR more dependent on underlying medical conditions than anything else. If, for example, you were 90 years old with COPD, Diabetes and 150 pounds overwieght your chances of getting killed by Covid were WAY higher than if you were 90 and reasonably healthy. Nobody talks about that because it doesn't help the "Yer Gonna Die!" narrative. Hundereds of millions of people have had covid and RECOVERED. We don't hear anything about that because, again, it doesn't fit the narrative.

I get it. Covid is a more serious problem for some people than the flu is. It isn't a joke. It's also not a crazy catastrophe for most people.

Again, you are arguing a straw man. Virtually every virus is more deadly if you have comorbidities. For example, if you contract Ebola, a young, fit, healthy person has a better chance of surviving than a 90 year old with COPD would.

I am in my 40s and fit as ****. I have been fit as **** my whole life. I eat a strict whole foods diet, I have never smoked. I run and lift weights regularly no matter what. I have gone for runs in -40 wind chills. I lift weights and strength train even when I am on vacation. To put it simply, I am very, very dedicated to my training and fitness. I am in my 40s and I have the body of a fitness model and the fitness level of an athletic guy in college. Seriously, I do. Yet, despite that, I was vaccinated for COVID as soon as I could be. I got a booster as soon as I could. Why? Because I would have to be the dumbest mother****er on earth to train like I do and risk that with COVID. Even if the risk of serious COVID for me is very small, and it is, why would I even accept a small risk when I could completely mitigate that risk with a safe and effective vaccination? Again, only fools are unvaccinated for COVID.

 

[Lutherf]

Again, you are arguing a straw man. Virtually every virus is more deadly if you have comorbidities. For example, if you contract Ebola, a young, fit, healthy person has a better chance of surviving than a 90 year old with COPD would.

I am in my 40s and fit as ****. I have been fit as **** my whole life. I eat a strict whole foods diet, I have never smoked. I run and lift weights regularly no matter what. I have gone for runs in -40 wind chills. I lift weights and strength train even when I am on vacation. To put it simply, I am very, very dedicated to my training and fitness. I am in my 40s and I have the body of a fitness model and the fitness level of an athletic guy in college. Seriously, I do. Yet, despite that, I was vaccinated for COVID as soon as I could be. I got a booster as soon as I could. Why? Because I would have to be the dumbest mother****er on earth to train like I do and risk that with COVID. Even if the risk of serious COVID for me is very small, and it is, why would I even accept a small risk when I could completely mitigate that risk with a safe and effective vaccination? Again, only fools are unvaccinated for COVID.

That's all your choice and If you believe the vaccine was a good idea for you then great. That DOES NOT mean that the vaccine is a good choice for everyone. Personally, I feel that if you're really focused on your health and your diet then maybe it's a BAD idea to put chemicals in your body if you really don't know how they'll react.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

That's all your choice and If you believe the vaccine was a good idea for you then great. That DOES NOT mean that the vaccine is a good choice for everyone. Personally, I feel that if you're really focused on your health and your diet then maybe it's a BAD idea to put chemicals in your body if you really don't know how they'll react.

Personally, I find that people with strong opinions often are incredibly ignorant about what they feel so strongly about. I bet you think nothing of taking an acetaminophen or an NSAID. Most people certainly don't. If they have a fever or a body ache, they think nothing of taking them. Most people will take hundreds of doses of them over the course of their life.

Yet, the severe adverse effect rate for common over the counter NSAIDS are Acetaminophen are over 500 times that of any of the approved vaccines.

 

[RAMOSS]

Right. If going on and on about how the virus is an automatic death sentence doesn't work because it turns out that getting the virus IS NOT an automatic death sentence then it's important to come up with another scare tactic such as, "you might not die NOW but you will die sooner or later".

See, this is what I have been talking about since day one and I get ridiculed for it all the time...The virus is 100% deadly, eventually. It might take 113 years to kill you but some day you're going to die and your death will be due to Covid.

Well, no one ever said it was an automatic death sentence, for most people. I do know people who died from it though. And, the latest varient that is the most contagious is also the least dangerous symptomwise for people The ba.2 varient, which had the potential of being worse, has not lead to a high rate of hospitalization and death from BA.1

 

[Rawley]

Again, I don't understand this wallowing in ignorance.

Right now, you are 62 times more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated and boosted.

LOL "No one has said the virus is an automatic death sentence" but "you are 62 times more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated and boosted."

You funny.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

LOL "No one has said the virus is an automatic death sentence" but "you are 62 times more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated than if you are vaccinated and boosted."

You funny.

And you must be math challenged.

Let's say your odds of dying of COVID are 1 in 300 if you are unvaccinated. It could be more than that depending on your age and so on, or less but just for the sake of argument, let's say it is 1 in 300 if you are unvaccinated. That would mean that your odds of dying of COVID if you are vaccinated and boosted would be 1 in 20,000 or so.

Again, only a fool would not opt to reduce their odds of death or serious COVID by that much.

 

[Helix]

My wife and I have the Omicron variant, as I write. Think we got it from a friend of my wife.
She came over last week (Sunday) We noticed Tuesday morning that we both coughed some. Since we have the test kits, we did the test.
Yep..both have. Felt like a severe cold Wed,Thursday, but yesterday and today, most symptoms are gone.
As I write now, seems to be 90 percent gone. Little tired but no big deal.
BUT..if we had not gotten off of our asses a few months ago and completed all 3 shots of vaccine..our asses would be in some room
with all kinds of crap stuck down our throats.
Boy, you know..I think it was worth standing in line for the shots. I'm a happy man.

Hope that you are completely better soon. We also got breakthrough infections from a daycare outbreak months ago. The symptoms were manageable. I didn't die. Thank God for science, the vaccine, and modern medicine.

 

[Rawley]

And you must be math challenged.

Let's say your odds of dying of COVID are 1 in 300 if you are unvaccinated. It could be more than that depending on your age and so on, or less but just for the sake of argument, let's say it is 1 in 300 if you are unvaccinated. That would mean that your odds of dying of COVID if you are vaccinated and boosted would be 1 in 20,000 or so.

Again, only a fool would not opt to reduce their odds of death or serious COVID by that much.

Actually had a minor in math. It's your rhetoric that is challenged. You admonish Luther for claiming people are arguing COVID is death sentence, which he didn't. And, literally in the next sentence you lecture him that one is 62 time more likely TO DIE if you remain unvaccinated.

Do you really fail to see the humor in that juxtaposition?