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The WMD We've Found Thus Far...

Which of these WMDs found in Iraq demonstrate that Saddam was a WMD threat?


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All the WMD and WMD-related infrastructure we've uncovered in Iraq raises the question, how many WMD must we find there before the left accepts that removing a terror-sponsor with a raging hard-on for WMD in a post 9/11 world (especially after 15 years of failed diplomacy) was urgent, necessary and justified.

The Sun Online - News: WMD: Tony Blair was right

USATODAY.com - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization

Boston.com / News / Boston Globe / Editorial / Opinion / Op-ed / The media ignored the real WMD news
 
CIA's final report: No WMD found in Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

USATODAY.com - U.N.: Iraq had no WMD after 1994

UNITED NATIONS — A report from U.N. weapons inspectors to be released today says they now believe there were no weapons of mass destruction of any significance in Iraq after 1994, according to two U.N. diplomats who have seen the document.

Bush admits no WMDs found, defends Iraq invasion

OAK RIDGE — President Bush delivered a 35-minute talk today that defended the administration's campaign against terror in the Mideast and elsewhere.

"Although we have not found stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, we were right to go into Iraq," he said.

The president cited positive developments in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Saudi Arabia and the U.S. relationship with Pakistan.


You know you have denial issues when the President, the CIA and the UN all agree that there were no WMDs and you're still claiming there were.
 
Aquapub, Dick Cheney said himself that there were no WMD. Are you calling him a liar?
 
I call Dick Cheny a Liar.
 
Aquapub, Dick Cheney said himself that there were no WMD. Are you calling him a liar?

Alberto Gonzales also said that mistakes were made in the totally standard firing of 8 federal prosecutors and fumbled his way into a "scandal" where none existed. Nobody ever accused Bush's Administration of being politically competent.

The bi-partisan Iraq Study Group, the mainstream/liberal media are providing evidence that there WERE WMD. You don't have to take my word for it.
 
"Although we have not found stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, we were right to go into Iraq," he said.

The operative word being "stockpiles."

These examples are a smokescreen. I'm not arguing that they had a lot of them, just enough to kill thousands, which is plenty to justify removing Saddam.
 

This source is referencing the ISG. That same ISG report concluded:

"We have discovered dozens of WMD-related programme activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the UN.”

"The experts also unearthed secret bio-weapons labs, new strains of lethal diseases, a deadly bug hidden in a scientist’s home — and evidence of possible chemical weapon tests on human victims."

"Saddam Hussein WAS secretly preparing for chemical, biological and even nuclear war."


Nice try.
 
The operative word being "stockpiles."

These examples are a smokescreen. I'm not arguing that they had a lot of them, just enough to kill thousands, which is plenty to justify removing Saddam.

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

How far do you really want to go with this? The CIA, The President, The UN all say there were no WMDs. You're still claiming they are. Who should I believe? :)
 
How far do you really want to go with this? The CIA, The President, The UN all say there were no WMDs. You're still claiming they are. Who should I believe? :)

I've already show that your own sources contradict you or don't say what you're claiming they say.

You should believe the bi-partisan ISG report, the CIA, the president, USA Today, and other mainstream outlets which all confirm what I'm saying.

:mrgreen:
 
I've already show that your own sources contradict you or don't say what you're claiming they say.

Sigh. They contradict me? Do you know how to read? The CIA found nothing. That would mean they contradict your assessment that we did indeed find WMDs.

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

Again please? You do know what "nothing" means right? Heres the definition

Nothing is the lack or absence of anything.

You should believe the bi-partisan ISG report, the CIA, the president USA Today, and other mainstream outlets which all confirm what I'm saying

Sigh. Yup. The CIA confirmed what you're saying by saying that they found nothing. Amazing.:roll:
 
TheVanguard.Org -- Taking the Fight to MoveOn

UN Confirms: WMDs Smuggled Out of Iraq
© June 18, 2004, Rod D. Martin

In a report which might alternately be termed “stunning” or “terrifying”, United Nations weapons inspectors confirmed last week not merely that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but that he smuggled them out of his country, before, during and after the war.

Late last week, the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) briefed the Security Council on Saddam's lightning-fast dismantling of missile and WMD sites before and during the war. UNMOVIC executive chairman Demetrius Perricos detailed not only the export of thousands of tons of missile components, nuclear reactor vessels and fermenters for chemical and biological warheads, but also the discovery of many (but not most) of these items - with UN inspection tags still on them -- as far afield as Jordan, Turkey and even Holland.

Notably absent from that list is Iraq's western neighbor Syria, ruled by its own Baath Party just like Saddam's and closed to even the thought of an UNMOVIC inspection. Israeli intelligence has been reporting the large-scale smuggling of Saddam's WMD program across the Syrian border since at least two months before the war. Syria has long been the world's foremost state-sponsor of terrorism.

Perricos highlighted the proliferation danger to the Security Council, as well he should: UNMOVIC has no idea where most of the WMD material is today, just that it exists and it's gone; and anything in Syria is likely to be in Jerusalem or New York tomorrow.

This is the biggest news story of 2004 so far. Yet you haven't heard about it, have you?

You probably haven't heard about Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin either -- a socialist and no friend of America. Addressing a group of 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal last month, Martin stated bluntly that terrorists have acquired WMDs from Saddam. “The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Huseein had, we don't know where they are…. [T]errorists have access to all of them,” the Canadian premier warned.

The tip of this terrorist sword was scarcely deflected on April 26th, when Jordanian intelligence broke up an al Qaeda conspiracy to detonate a large chemical device in the capital city of Amman. Directed by al Qaeda terrorist leader Abu al-Zarqawi -- the same man who personally beheaded American Nicholas Berg in Iraq last month -- the plotters sought to use a massive explosion to spread a “toxic cloud”, meant to wipe out the U.S. embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office, the Jordanian intelligence headquarters, and at least 20,000 civilians (by contrast, only 3,000 died on 9/11). Over twenty tons of chemical weapons were seized from the conspirators, who were just days away from carrying out their plot.

One wonders where CNN and USA Today think twenty tons of nerve gas and sarin came from: Chemical Weapons-Mart? Yet their coverage, like most major media outlets, mentioned not a word about Saddam's smuggled WMDs, which -- according to liberal dogma -- “don't exist.”

Even though the UN says they do exist, now spread around the world.

It's not just the UN. Bill Clinton says they exist, even after the war: in a July 2003 interview with Larry King, the ex-president uncharacteristically defended George Bush, saying “it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there [was]…a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for” in Iraq. Every intelligence agency in the world -- French, British, German, Russian, Czech, you name it -- agreed before the war; Jordanian intelligence can certainly confirm their opinion today.

So what's the deal? Why the relentless pretence that “Bush lied” when even the UN and Bill Clinton say he didn't? Why the absolute silence about “inconvenient” parts of various UN reports, such as the discovery of chemical and biological weapons plans, recipes and equipment; of bio-weapons agents in an Iraqi scientist's house; of a prison lab for testing bio weapons on humans; of complexes for manufacturing fuel for prohibited long-range missiles; of artillery rounds containing enough sarin to kill thousands of people, of similar shells containing mustard gas, two (but far from the only) of which were used in a terrorist attack against U.S. forces just weeks ago?

America cannot afford the answer to this “why”: that many on the left consider George W. Bush's defeat more urgent than al Qaeda's, his political death more essential than the possible physical death of millions of Americans.

The character of our foreign enemies has never been in doubt. The character of the enemy within -- from Dan Rather to Michael Moore -- has never been clearer. And the stakes are the highest they've ever been.


Stay tuned :2wave: more to come :2usflag:
 
TheVanguard.Org -- Taking the Fight to MoveOn

Stay tuned :2wave: more to come :2usflag:

Theory without any actual meat. Your source is from 2004. Here is mine from 2005.

No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims, White House Theory That WMDs Were Removed From Iraq Unfounded - CBS News

(AP) As the hunt for weapons of mass destruction dragged on unsuccessfully in Iraq, top Bush administration officials speculated publicly that the banned armaments may have been smuggled out of the country before the war started.

Whether Saddam Hussein moved the WMD — deadly chemical, biological or radiological arms — is one of the unresolved issues that the final U.S. intelligence report on Iraq's programs is expected to address next month.

But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never "a piece," said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

The administration acknowledged last week that the search for banned weapons is largely over. The Iraq Survey Group's chief, Charles Duelfer, is expected to submit the final installments of his report in February. A small number of the organization's experts will remain on the job in case new intelligence on Iraqi WMD is unearthed.


But the officials familiar with the search say U.S. authorities have found no evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein transferred WMD or related equipment out of Iraq.
 
Sigh. They contradict me? Do you know how to read? The CIA found nothing. That would mean they contradict your assessment that we did indeed find WMDs.

I've already addressed this. It is apparently you who can't read so well. ;)

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/19177-wmd-weve-found-thus-far.html#post519539


You are citing misleading headlines, making critical ommissions, and misrepresenting their findings. I am reading the actual documents and finding where the facts contradict you.
 
I'm not arguing that they had a lot of them, just enough to kill thousands, which is plenty to justify removing Saddam.

So instead of Saddam supposedly having the ability to 'kill thousands', we invaded, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, thousands of our own people, and still didn't get anywhere.

Yeah, that was a good idea, wasn't it?
 
There's not a poll choice that says "the ancient little-boom WMD we found are not the fresh big-boom WMD we were told Saddam had, and that Bush has admitted Saddam did not have."
 
Weapons of Mass Destruction were found....as they would be in virtually any coutry we decided to invade. We likely would find such weapons systems even in Sudan....if we decided to look. Is this sign of the Impending doom we were told aboput before the war?...well....NO. Is this reason to invade a counrty, and watch our own suffer as a result?...well....NO.

Is this reason for 'Ol AquaCon to act like a proud pidgeon....obviously........YES.
 
1. Uranium - The Uranium had been placed in barrels, locked up, and sealed in a storage facility at Tuwaitha by the IAEA in 1992. The IAEA checked it every year to count all of it and make sure it was still there and it was. It wasn't until the United States blew open storage building and the Iraqis starting looting it that anyone other than the IAEA had access to it.

2. 500 artillery shells - As the ISG noted, they were no longer wmd due to the fact that they were degraded to such an extent as to be rendered useless as cw muinitions. They were leftovers from the Iran-Iraq war that Saddam didn't know still existed and had expired decades ago.

3. Botulism - Courtesy of the Reagan Administration. As the ISG noted, Saddam's regime never aquired the technology needed to preserve weaponized biological agents thanks to the sanctions. A vile of botulism is NOT a wmd.

4. Cyanide - Again, not weaponized and therefore not a wmd.

5. Equiptment - Unused by Saddam's regime after 1991.
 
Don't worry, if WMD had been found the Repubs would have plastered it all over the place trying to save their a$$s before the last election where they lost badly.
 
So instead of Saddam supposedly having the ability to 'kill thousands', we invaded, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, thousands of our own people, and still didn't get anywhere.

Yeah, that was a good idea, wasn't it?

1) There's more to think about here than body count. If we find enough WMD to justify saying Saddam could've killed millions, THEN will it be ok to do something about foreign threats?

Nice logic. :roll:

2) And yes, removing a terror-sponsor with a hard-on for WMD in a post 9/11 world WAS urgent, necessary, and justified to prevent Saddam from murdering thousands of people, even if Iran and Syria responded by orchestrating terrorism campaigns in Iraq that killed thousands of troops and Iraqis.
 
There's not a poll choice that says "the ancient little-boom WMD we found are not the fresh big-boom WMD we were told Saddam had, and that Bush has admitted Saddam did not have."

1) Botulism, Cyanide, Mustard Gas, Uranium (I'm guessing this is relevant to your Kindergarten "fresh big-boom WMD" reference), Sarin gas...all of these things could've been used to kill thousands. All of them justify the war.

2) I never said Bush was a good politician. Much like the Gonzales "scandal" Bush's people have allowed Democrats to invent, it is inexcusable for him not to thrash liberals with so much evidence that it is they who were wrong. Reagan would've destroyed you people with all this evidence.
 
1) Botulism, Cyanide, Mustard Gas, Uranium (I'm guessing this is relevant to your Kindergarten "fresh big-boom WMD" reference), Sarin gas...all of these things could've been used to kill thousands. All of them justify the war.

2) I never said Bush was a good politician. Much like the Gonzales "scandal" Bush's people have allowed Democrats to invent, it is inexcusable for him not to thrash liberals with so much evidence that it is they who were wrong. Reagan would've destroyed you people with all this evidence.

Reagan was the last good president we've had. That being said, Reagan wouldn't have thrashed anyone as he was not a president that relished in using divisive tactics against his own nation.
 
1) Weapons of Mass Destruction were found....as they would be in virtually any country we decided to invade.

2) Is this sign of the Impending doom we were told about before the war?

3) Is this reason to invade a country?

1) Any other country we might decide to invade hasn't been through 15 years of failed diplomacy (failed meaning, Saddam repeatedly expelling inspectors) first, and hasn't been one of the world's most prolific terror-sponsors in a post-9/11 world.

2) A major terror-sponsoring war-monger with WMD in a post 9/11 world (one who had already tried to assassinate one of our presidents and who frivolously fired SCUDS at our nuclear ally-Israel)?

Yes, that's a big f-ing problem.

3) Absolutely.
 
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