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The Washington Post As war enters bloody new phase, Ukraine again calls for more weapons

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Why won't dithering President Biden give Ukraine the offensive weapons they are begging for as women and children are being raped, butchered, bombed ?
 
Does he trust Putin more than our own intelligence?

Seriously....shhh. None of you have standing to criticize. Leave that to us. He should give them more gear. But you don't get to say that.
 
Does he trust Putin more than our own intelligence?

Seriously....shhh. None of you have standing to criticize. Leave that to us. He should give them more gear. But you don't get to say that.
So why won't President Biden give them what they desperately need and are begging for to annihilate these baby killing animals ?
Anyone?
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President Biden gifts billions of dollars in U.S. weapons to the Taliban in his humiliating feeble brained with drawl from Afghanistan, but refuses to give the Ukrainian people being mass murdered the weapons they need to win .
Why ?
Anyone ?
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How much genocide will it take for President Biden to give the weaponry the Ukrainians are begging for to crush those seeking to kill them?
Why does he want to see yet more women & children slaughtered ?
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Does he trust Putin more than our own intelligence?

Seriously....shhh. None of you have standing to criticize. Leave that to us. He should give them more gear. But you don't get to say that.
I did hear that if Putin massacres more civilians the GOP and Fox News are prepared to respond with the harshest possible criticisms of Hunter Biden.
 
President Biden gifts billions of dollars in U.S. weapons to the Taliban in his humiliating feeble brained with drawl from Afghanistan, but refuses to give the Ukrainian people being mass murdered the weapons they need to win .
Why ?
Anyone ?
Things just are not that simple. It takes time to ramp up production and supply lines, it won't do us much good to give them weapons they are not trained in using.

Biden and his administration are moving to help, and we know that help can't come soon enough, but it is what it is. We can't just open up supply lines in a war zone that are insecure only to have Russian forces distroy or capture these needed weapons.

I'm not a Biden cheerleader, I voted for the other guy, but these things take time and Biden has no reason to cause undue delay.
 
Things just are not that simple. It takes time to ramp up production and supply lines, it won't do us much good to give them weapons they are not trained in using.

Biden and his administration are moving to help, and we know that help can't come soon enough, but it is what it is. We can't just open up supply lines in a war zone that are insecure only to have Russian forces distroy or capture these needed weapons.

I'm not a Biden cheerleader, I voted for the other guy, but these things take time and Biden has no reason to cause undue delay.
Do you see this person in the suit walking thru the war torn streets of Kiev with the Ukranian president?
Do you have any idea who this is ?
If getting stuff in is so hard how the heck do you think the leader of Great Britan made it to Kiev ?
Apparently the leader of Great Britan's government did not get the same fearful. memo Biden did about " We Can't ", " He can't", & " supply line dangers" and it is just better to hide, dither, stand by, pretend there is not mass genocide taking place at this point.
Where is Biden as an 8 mile long convoy of Russians is now preparing to supersize the genocide on these people just days from now?
Do you think the billions of dollars in arms that we left behind in Afghanistan are never going to used to kill thousands including Americans because the Taliban is : "not trained in using " them ?
These Ukranian fighters know warfare and have done more than any army could hope to do in a David vs Goliath Situation.
Do you really believe at this point that they are stupid enough to be asking for weaponry that they do not know how to use & will do them absolutely no good at all ?
The United States is the idiot in this affair caught with our pants down with no idea when or where this was coming .
The Ukrainians are the smart ones having obviously been expecting this foe some time.
The only thing Biden hiding in his basement eating cookies & ice cream is doing nothing right now is emboldening China's mass murdering communists to go forward with their attack on Taiwan.
By not giving everything & the kitchen sink to the Ukrainians right now to send these baby killers scurrying back to Russia Biden is only provoking more war & genocide .

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How about dear leader send Ukraine nuclear weapons or just "level Russia" for them?

How about all of the non-white people being killed by US actions or inactions in the Global South?

How about the US be held accountable to international standards instead of co-opting the weak international justice systems the human world has?
 
Do you see this person in the suit walking thru the war torn streets of Kiev with the Ukranian president?
Do you have any idea who this is ?
If getting stuff in is so hard how the heck do you think the leader of Great Britan made it to Kiev ?
Apparently the leader of Great Britan's government did not get the same fearful. memo Biden did about " We Can't ", " He can't", & " supply line dangers" and it is just better to hide, dither, stand by, pretend there is not mass genocide taking place at this point.
Where is Biden as an 8 mile long convoy of Russians is now preparing to supersize the genocide on these people just days from now?
Do you think the billions of dollars in arms that we left behind in Afghanistan are never going to used to kill thousands including Americans because the Taliban is : "not trained in using " them ?
These Ukranian fighters know warfare and have done more than any army could hope to do in a David vs Goliath Situation.
Do you really believe at this point that they are stupid enough to be asking for weaponry that they do not know how to use & will do them absolutely no good at all ?
The United States is the idiot in this affair caught with our pants down with no idea when or where this was coming .
The Ukrainians are the smart ones having obviously been expecting this foe some time.
The only thing Biden hiding in his basement eating cookies & ice cream is doing nothing right now is emboldening China's mass murdering communists to go forward with their attack on Taiwan.
By not giving everything & the kitchen sink to the Ukrainians right now to send these baby killers scurrying back to Russia Biden is only provoking more war & genocide .

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Like I say, things are just not that simple.

You think Russia is just going to allow a supply line of heavy armaments to cross over the Polish boarder in broad daylight?

Do you want to drive those trucks full of supplies?
 

Why won't dithering President Biden give Ukraine the offensive weapons they are begging for as women and children are being raped, butchered, bombed ?

Many share your frustration, and its been very clear that stubborn reluctance by the major members of NATO (US, Germany, France, and even the UK) can and, if it continues, will lose the this war. While the recent support of Nato countries sending heavy weapons has finally been okayed on a "bi-lateral" basis most of the major members explicitly or implicitly are interested in forcing Ukraine into major compromise, losing large parts of Ukraine in order to keep Putin's and Russia's ego intact. The following is the best short analysis I have read to date:

NATO allies quietly debate: Does Russia need to lose? – HotAir

Nato allies never gave Ukraine a chance and has been supplying Ukraine like it was a giant insurgency group, rather than a conventional military that could win this war. The prospect of Ukraine winning has the weak sisters of Nato, the usual clay footed weasels, nervously trying to justify their allergic reaction to victory.

The Baltics and Poland know their enemy, and have none of our western liberal illusions. If you touch a King you must kill him. Let Putin survive and he will be back, stronger than ever with oil money financing it. They understand, as we do not, that this is a unique opportunity to finish off Putin.

"Central European members like Poland and the Baltic states want a total break with Moscow and an effort to bring Russia to its knees, two senior Western officials said. They worry that anything that Russia can present as a victory will do serious damage to European security.

... Countries like France, Germany and Turkey want to keep contacts with Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, regardless of the allegations of war crimes committed by his troops, the officials said…

Some countries, especially in Central Europe and including Britain, are anxious that any sort of Russian expansion into Ukrainian territory, let alone a Russian victory, would embolden Mr. Putin...they want Russia to be seen as the loser.
"

The US should be expected to lead and forge such a coalition, as did Bush Sr. But it would have required a clear headed and resolute President who understood, as did Bush Sr., what was at stake, without shades of gray. It would have required a President who had the courage of FDR to push for an arsenal of democracy to all the victims of Axis aggression, and an Executive who would appear before the UN general assembly making his case on behalf of punishing this outrage. It would have required real leadership.

We don't have that, we have Joe Biden. And the only way to make Biden move is to take his political food bowl away, for Congress to speak with one voice. For Congress to lead and let a challenged President tag along. We simply don't have someone in the oval office made of the right stuff.

For Ukraine there is "No substitute for Putin's defeat". And in the long run, there isn't one for us either.
 
Like I say, things are just not that simple.

You think Russia is just going to allow a supply line of heavy armaments to cross over the Polish boarder in broad daylight?

Do you want to drive those trucks full of supplies?
Britain is in the process of giving over 200 armoured vehicles to Ukraine. Where there is the will there is a way. Enough of the "its not that simple" defeatism already.
 
Many share your frustration, and its been very clear that stubborn reluctance by the major members of NATO (US, Germany, France, and even the UK) can and, if it continues, will lose the this war. While the recent support of Nato countries sending heavy weapons has finally been okayed on a "bi-lateral" basis most of the major members explicitly or implicitly are interested in forcing Ukraine into major compromise, losing large parts of Ukraine in order to keep Putin's and Russia's ego intact. The following is the best short analysis I have read to date:

NATO allies quietly debate: Does Russia need to lose? – HotAir

Nato allies never gave Ukraine a chance and has been supplying Ukraine like it was a giant insurgency group, rather than a conventional military that could win this war. The prospect of Ukraine winning has the weak sisters of Nato, the usual clay footed weasels, nervously trying to justify their allergic reaction to victory.

The Baltics and Poland know their enemy, and have none of our western liberal illusions. If you touch a King you must kill him. Let Putin survive and he will be back, stronger than ever with oil money financing it. They understand, as we do not, that this is a unique opportunity to finish off Putin.

"Central European members like Poland and the Baltic states want a total break with Moscow and an effort to bring Russia to its knees, two senior Western officials said. They worry that anything that Russia can present as a victory will do serious damage to European security.

... Countries like France, Germany and Turkey want to keep contacts with Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, regardless of the allegations of war crimes committed by his troops, the officials said…

Some countries, especially in Central Europe and including Britain, are anxious that any sort of Russian expansion into Ukrainian territory, let alone a Russian victory, would embolden Mr. Putin...they want Russia to be seen as the loser.
"

The US should be expected to lead and forge such a coalition, as did Bush Sr. But it would have required a clear headed and resolute President who understood, as did Bush Sr., what was at stake, without shades of gray. It would have required a President who had the courage of FDR to push for an arsenal of democracy to all the victims of Axis aggression, and an Executive who would appear before the UN general assembly making his case on behalf of punishing this outrage. It would have required real leadership.

We don't have that, we have Joe Biden. And the only way to make Biden move is to take his political food bowl away, for Congress to speak with one voice. For Congress to lead and let a challenged President tag along. We simply don't have someone in the oval office made of the right stuff.

For Ukraine there is "No substitute for Putin's defeat". And in the long run, there isn't one for us either.
There has been no trace of "stubborn reluctance" from the UK. So don't group that country with those financiers of Putin's genocide Germany and France. The UK is in the process of giving Ukraine a couple of hundred armoured fighting vehicles.
 
Like I say, things are just not that simple.

You think Russia is just going to allow a supply line of heavy armaments to cross over the Polish boarder in broad daylight?

Do you want to drive those trucks full of supplies?
How did the leader of Great Britan Simply enter a war zone and feel safe ?
Do you think Britan's security agency would have allowed this if it was not doable ?
Give those being slaughtered the tools they are asking for to fight .
They know what they are asking for , and are not stupid in their requests as you like to characterize them.
Why do you and President Biden want to see them overrun as they beg ?



Marcus Weisgerber
BY MARCUS WEISGERBER

GLOBAL BUSINESS EDITOR
FEBRUARY 27, 2022


Perhaps the most eye-popping of today’s pledges to ship weapons to the Ukrainian military was the European Union’s announcement that it would soon send fighter jets. Would Ukrainian pilots really be able to jump in a donated jet and fly into combat?
Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle says sure, if it’s a type they already know how to fly.
“It really would not be a big step, going from a Ukrainian MiG-29 to a Polish MiG-29,” said Carlisle, a retired general who oversaw U.S. Air Force fighter jets as head of Air Combat Command.
 
How about dear leader send Ukraine nuclear weapons or just "level Russia" for them?

How about all of the non-white people being killed by US actions or inactions in the Global South?

How about the US be held accountable to international standards instead of co-opting the weak international justice systems the human world has?

Interesting, so you finally admit that powerful nations will use international justice systems for their own ends instead of altruistically.

Also, everyone notice Antiwar spares not a single word of condemnation for Russia’s militarist war of aggression.
 
Erm, you want the US to provide *offensive* weapons? Such as what exactly?
 
POLITICS

‘Weapons, weapons and weapons’: Ukraine makes its request to NATO clear​

PUBLISHED THU, APR 7 20226:00 AM EDT
Silvia Amaro@SILVIA_AMARO
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KEY POINTS
  • Members of the NATO military alliance have been supplying Kyiv with weapons ever since Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in February.
  • However, for Ukraine’s Foreign Affairs Minister Dmytro Kuleba this is not enough.
  • NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Wednesday: “We need to be prepared for the long haul.”
The Czech Republic became the first NATO member earlier this week to announce the deployment of tanks to Ukraine.

Ukraine’s request for more practical help comes at a crucial moment in the war.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Wednesday that Russia is moving forces from north Ukraine to reinforce them and move them to the east.


The Czech republic has to step up and be the very first ones to give the Ukrainians Tanks ?
This while the supposed leader of the free world dithers in hiding , eating cookies and ice cream, as Putin feels real freedom to regroup and reconfigure his genocidal attack.
Why is Biden contributing just enough for the Ukrainians to be overwhelmed ?
" A small incursion into Ukraine will be okay" ( President Biden )
 
A few small genocides with incursions are acceptable as well .
You can't have incursions with out genocides after all .
Sweetening the pot for the Invasion of Tiawan this feeble old man is doing .

How Ukraine Feels About a ‘Minor Incursion’ by Russia​

Did Biden commit a blunder like Dean Acheson’s on Korea?​


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Do you see this person in the suit walking thru the war torn streets of Kiev with the Ukranian president?
Do you have any idea who this is ?
If getting stuff in is so hard how the heck do you think the leader of Great Britan made it to Kiev ?
Apparently the leader of Great Britan's government did not get the same fearful. memo Biden did about " We Can't ", " He can't", & " supply line dangers" and it is just better to hide, dither, stand by, pretend there is not mass genocide taking place at this point.
Where is Biden as an 8 mile long convoy of Russians is now preparing to supersize the genocide on these people just days from now?
Do you think the billions of dollars in arms that we left behind in Afghanistan are never going to used to kill thousands including Americans because the Taliban is : "not trained in using " them ?
These Ukranian fighters know warfare and have done more than any army could hope to do in a David vs Goliath Situation.
Do you really believe at this point that they are stupid enough to be asking for weaponry that they do not know how to use & will do them absolutely no good at all ?
The United States is the idiot in this affair caught with our pants down with no idea when or where this was coming .
The Ukrainians are the smart ones having obviously been expecting this foe some time.
The only thing Biden hiding in his basement eating cookies & ice cream is doing nothing right now is emboldening China's mass murdering communists to go forward with their attack on Taiwan.
By not giving everything & the kitchen sink to the Ukrainians right now to send these baby killers scurrying back to Russia Biden is only provoking more war & genocide .

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Whataboutism alert: You don't think for a minute the Drumpf would be there do you? Anybody?
 
Erm, you want the US to provide *offensive* weapons? Such as what exactly?

Tanks, artillery, and aircraft they will need to go on the counter-offensive and take the occupied parts of their country back from Russia.
 

Why won't dithering President Biden give Ukraine the offensive weapons they are begging for as women and children are being raped, butchered, bombed ?

Same as always. That would be an act of war. Are you ok with the US going to war with Russia?
 
Does he trust Putin more than our own intelligence?

Seriously....shhh. None of you have standing to criticize. Leave that to us. He should give them more gear. But you don't get to say that.

What justifies the granting of "standing"?
 
Much of this awful warring has to do with the US government's (USG) arrogance as the superduperit'sallgoodpower. If the US had invested in international justice instead of global domination (based on scarcity), then humanity might be in a much different place. Note that the USG didn't invest 100% in global domination, and that the USG isn't 100% bad, but the overall picture is that the USG chose the domination model over the cooperation model. Why? Because it's in "our national interest" ... otherwise known as "we want to benefit, first"... otherwise known as "America first" ... otherwise known as ______ (<- several forms of) supremacy.
 
Much of this awful warring has to do with the US government's (USG) arrogance as the superduperit'sallgoodpower. If the US had invested in international justice instead of global domination (based on scarcity), then humanity might be in a much different place. Note that the USG didn't invest 100% in global domination, and that the USG isn't 100% bad, but the overall picture is that the USG chose the domination model over the cooperation model. Why? Because it's in "our national interest" ... otherwise known as "we want to benefit, first"... otherwise known as "America first" ... otherwise known as ______ (<- several forms of) supremacy.

Are you seriously blaming the US for Russia’s militarist war of aggression in Ukraine?
 
Whataboutism alert: You don't think for a minute the Drumpf would be there do you? Anybody?
The president of the free world is Joe Biden .
Wake up and deal with the here & now war that is taking place as they beg & beg & beg the leader of the free world to give them what they really need to win , & not die the slow death of attrition ?
Why does the leader of the free world give them just enough to delay the inevitable genocide ?
Like he has stated that small Russian invasions are acceptable, are small scale repeat genocides somehow acceptable to him now as well ?
Apparently so !

How Ukraine Feels About a ‘Minor Incursion’ by Russia​

Did Biden commit a blunder like Dean Acheson’s on Korea?​



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