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The vaccines don't work

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"If the vaccine is effective, there is no reason for people who've received a vaccine to wear masks or avoid physical contact," he said. "So maybe it doesn't work, and they're simply not telling you that.

-- Tucker Carlson

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  • Clinical trials and real-world studies have shown the available COVID-19 vaccines to be effective at protecting against COVID-19 infections and severe symptoms.
  • Responding to Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s suggestion that the vaccines might not work, Dr. Anthony Fauci said the clinical trials showed “an overwhelming signal of efficacy.”
  • The CDC still recommends that fully vaccinated people wear masks and keep their distance in public spaces. There are legitimate reasons for that, experts said, including the fact that many Americans have not yet been vaccinated.
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Did you know Tucker Carlson's dad owns like 3 islands? He's super rich.


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"If the vaccine is effective, there is no reason for people who've received a vaccine to wear masks or avoid physical contact," he said. "So maybe it doesn't work, and they're simply not telling you that.

-- Tucker Carlson

FALSE

  • Clinical trials and real-world studies have shown the available COVID-19 vaccines to be effective at protecting against COVID-19 infections and severe symptoms.
  • Responding to Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s suggestion that the vaccines might not work, Dr. Anthony Fauci said the clinical trials showed “an overwhelming signal of efficacy.”
  • The CDC still recommends that fully vaccinated people wear masks and keep their distance in public spaces. There are legitimate reasons for that, experts said, including the fact that many Americans have not yet been vaccinated.
See the sources for this fact-check


Did you know Tucker Carlson's dad owns like 3 islands? He's super rich.


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CDC cannot afford to make rash or cavalier statements about the ability of the vaccines to prevent spread of infection by asymptomatic vaccinated persons to unvaccinated high risk persons.

In due time, thanks to the hundred million plus persons who HAVE been vaccinated, they may find that this is indeed the case.
But they have to have indisputable scientific data that backs a claim like that up with proof.
If they make rosy forward looking guesses about this, and people get very sick or die after being infected by a vaccinated person, even if only a tiny handful get sick or die, you can forget anyone having ANY trust in the vaccines forever.

And that is the PRIMARY reason why they want people to continue wearing masks and practicing all the other precautions for a while longer.
They want PROOF that vaccinated persons pose very little or no risk, and that proof must be incontrovertible.
It has to be 100 percent rock solid proof.

They know that the vaccines are SAFE to USE but the only thing they don't know yet is how well they tamp down the viral load in vaccinated persons who get exposed to COVID.
And it won't be a year or several years, because they have that enormous pool of people to get data from, but it WILL be a little while longer.
Once they HAVE that solid proof, the mask mandates will be terminated.
 

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CDC cannot afford to make rash or cavalier statements about the ability of the vaccines to prevent spread of infection by asymptomatic vaccinated persons to unvaccinated high risk persons.

In due time, thanks to the hundred million plus persons who HAVE been vaccinated, they may find that this is indeed the case.
But they have to have indisputable scientific data that backs a claim like that up with proof.
If they make rosy forward looking guesses about this, and people get very sick or die after being infected by a vaccinated person, even if only a tiny handful get sick or die, you can forget anyone having ANY trust in the vaccines forever.

And that is the PRIMARY reason why they want people to continue wearing masks and practicing all the other precautions for a while longer.
They want PROOF that vaccinated persons pose very little or no risk, and that proof must be incontrovertible.
It has to be 100 percent rock solid proof.

They know that the vaccines are SAFE to USE but the only thing they don't know yet is how well they tamp down the viral load in vaccinated persons who get exposed to COVID.
And it won't be a year or several years, because they have that enormous pool of people to get data from, but it WILL be a little while longer.
Once they HAVE that solid proof, the mask mandates will be terminated.
Lol, of course! It’s the primary reason they are getting folks to take the jab as fast as possible......and then oops it’s trumps fault.
 

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Lol, of course! It’s the primary reason they are getting folks to take the jab as fast as possible......and then oops it’s trumps fault.

That doesn't even make any sense.
Maybe you don't have a good understanding of sterilizing immunity.
Some antiviral meds and some vaccines provide sterilizing immunity and/or create "neutralizing antibodies".
For instance, once you've been vaccinated against measles, it is impossible for you to transmit the measles to someone else, even if they aren't vaccinated.
The HIV drug known as Dovato also offers sterilizing immunity. If you have HIV and you take Dovato as instructed, you cannot transmit HIV to a partner even through sex.

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The animal vaccine that protects against "rinderpest" provides sterilizing immunity.
It took the Dovato manufacturers almost four years to earn the okay to advertise U=U sterilizing immunity but it is not expected to take even a fraction that long for the COVID vaccines because we already have well over 120 million people we can study, instead of a million or so HIV patients, so the data is very rich and sterilizing immunity factors can be well documented.

If you're going to claim that the vaccines DON'T WORK, typical debate customs require you to back up your claims if you want to be taken seriously.
 
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