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The US has actually been cooling since the 30's, the hottest decade on record[W:18]

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The scandal of fiddled global warming data - Telegraph
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

The state temperature records bear this out too

 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

Keep cherry picking data.
Keep providing miss-representative graphs of irrelevant data.

THIS graph represents the total amount of ice volume for the Arctic since they have kept records.


Please notice I said VOLUME of ice not area. The volume measurements represent permanent ice and should stay relatively stable. Area measurements varies wildly throughout the year and also year to year.
This is the September graph. September is the month of least area coverage.




Some clever people have just figured out a way to measure ice cover back hundreds of years by reading growth rings in Arctic corals. They have only generated data for the one area they visited but it matches the available data from 1979 onwards and even correlates to ice core data.

They expect to return to the Arctic this summer to gather more data from many more varied locations.
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

^
Data going all the way back to 1990.

And I don't care about sea ice.
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

I see allegations of fiddled data but no evidence, just a few graphs with no source of the apparently fixed ones.

Also, US and global are two different things (I know you guys get all confused with your "World Series" ).
 
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Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

Why do so many people not understand what the word global means?
 
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Sababa said:
Why do so many people not understand what the word global means?
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We understand. There are several problems. Around 1990, a 0.2 degree correction was added to temperature monitoring station data. There was also a shift of reducing the number of stations used, to those close to the city for monitoring. Many of us believe they cherry picked the stations that are showing increases with urban expansion. There is no consistency in measurements over the decades since the long term stations have this urban growth, increased blacktop, increased concrete, station near air conditioning and airports. More irrigated farms causing more humid air and heat trapping... Water is the greatest greenhouse gas you know... or maybe you don't?

Thing is, these monitoring station are local phenomena, and not representative of the globe, since they are impacted by unnatural causes.

Here are some links to help:

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/intellicast.essay.pdf

Graph of Number of Stations vs Temperature

Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System
 
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Sababa said:
Why do so many people not understand what the word global means?
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America IS the world as far as they're concerned...
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

Oh looky! Another paradigm shift!

Instead of accepting the Earth is warming b-b-but... isn't the fault of Co2... this week we are pretending the Earth isn't warming at all...

Next week we'll be back to cosmic rays effecting the warming? The week after that it will be black soot? The week after that it will be anything besides the inconvenient truth that we need to change our behavior to secure our children's future.
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record


How about we just accept that the science isn't settled please.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
How about we just accept that the science isn't settled please.
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Oh but it is with you guys. Any "science" that says we don't need to do anything is the right science is it not? Have you guys ever met a piece of denial science you didn't support?
 
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Verax said:
Oh but it is with you guys. Any "science" that says we don't need to do anything is the right science is it not? Have you guys ever met a piece of denial science you didn't support?
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The fact is, rational people **** an eye to people who say, "We have a problem, and you need to give us all your money to solve it."

Simple really. The demand kind of begs some questions to be answered. At least for thinking people.

I can appreciate Progressives wanting people to do it without question, since they likely won't have any skin in the game.
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

I have to say there is likely some data manipulation,
but there is also some warming.
Thermometer readings can slide around, based on how they are averaged,
but the plant hardiness zones have moved.
This would be much harder to manipulate!
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record


"give us all your money" is a strawman created to frighten the easily rattled.

"thinking people" is an insult that suggests only people who agree with you are intelligent.

"progressives won't have any skin in the game" is another insult implying we are poor compared to financially successful people such are yourself.

You're a jerk and have nothing to add but an ignorant tantrum laden with lies and insults.
 
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Verax said:
Oh but it is with you guys. Any "science" that says we don't need to do anything is the right science is it not? Have you guys ever met a piece of denial science you didn't support?
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I have come across lots of denial which I don't agree with. I have attacked some on various forums such as this. Good science is generally difficult to attack. That's why the alarmists generally do the ad-homm trick.
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record



:lamo

Why thanks! eace
 
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I don't think it can be solved, at least not in time to stop a noticeable sea level rise. Think of the climate as the Titanic, we see the iceberg but can't turn fast enough. Severe damage IS going to to happen.
 
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RogueWarrior said:
I don't think it can be solved, at least not in time to stop a noticeable sea level rise. Think of the climate as the Titanic, we see the iceberg but can't turn fast enough. Severe damage IS going to to happen.
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In order for man to solve "it", man must first be capable of creating "it".
 
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flogger said:
The state temperature records bear this out too

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Apparently the U.S. isn't the only place where temperature records have been fiddled.eace

[h=2] Don’t miss Jennifer Marohasy speaking in Sydney Wednesday[/h]
Jennifer Marohasy has been very involved in looking at Australian temperature data this year. She is speaking in Sydney on Wednesday about what she’s found. She’s talking about the new temperature dataset the BOM uses called ACORN, which they built after we asked them for an independent audit of their High Quality set.
[h=3]Modelling Global Temperatures – What’s Wrong. Bourke & Amberley – as Case Studies[/h] From Jennifer’s site: “The most extreme example that Ken found of data corruption was at Amberley, near Brisbane, Queensland, where a cooling minima trend was effectively reversed, Figure 1.” Jennifer has also raised her concerns (repeatedly) with Minister Greg Hunt.

Venue: The Gallipoli Club, 12 Loftus Street (between Bridge Street & Alfred Street), Sydney Time: 5.30 for 6pm
Additional Information: **Bookings from 11 June only ** BAR OPENS AT 5 PM – LIGHT REFRESHMENTS
 
Re: The US has actually been cooling since the 30's, the hottest decade on record[W:1

MrVicchio said:
The scandal of fiddled global warming data - Telegraph
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It's a sorry state of affairs that folk can so eagerly swallow up these conspiracy theories without even a second thought. Between NOAA and GISS and the systematic selection and movement of measuring locations alleged by Lord of Planar, there must be hundreds of people in the know on this supposed scandal, many if not most of them scientists theoretically committed to the pursuit of truth, and yet none of them seem to share these concerns.

But obviously the mere scientists who work with the data can't be trusted. Instead, the Telegraph article and Mr. Vicchio rely on a far more reputable source: The word of a blogger posting under the pseudonym 'Steven Goddard.' According to the Heartland Institute, our new blogger friend is "an expert in computer graphics and high performance computing. He has a B.S. in Geology from ASU, and a Masters in Electrical Engineering from Rice University." Obviously this is a fellow of unparalleled expertise and unquestionable integrity when it comes to climate data!

'Goddard' says of the USHCN data that "before they release it to the public, they put it through a series of adjustments which change it from a cooling trend to a warming trend."



So obviously, if the accusations of tampering and scandalous fiddling with the data held any merit whatsoever, a more reliable source should show a much smaller warming trend than the USHCN data (used also by GISS, as Goddard notes). But unfortunately for all you conspiracy theorists out there, Bob Tisdale (author of three AGW sceptical books) has done the legwork necessary to see how patently false that is: The UAH satellite record actually shows more warming over the United States in the period 1979-2009 than the GISS/USHCN record does!



Due to complications explained in the blog, Tisdale's analysis covers only about three-quarters of the mainland US, but that's more than enough to show how utterly absurd is Goddard's conspiracy theory, and how naive is anyone who blindly parrots it. If the USHCN/GISS data had been scandalously 'tampered' with, and the real temperature trends should be seen in the raw data, we'd expect the reliable UAH record to show somewhere in the order of 0.6 degrees less warming in that period.

Instead it shows a little more warming!

Whatever those guys at NOAA are doing, perhaps they're not doing enough of it.
Unless... well of course, it's obvious now that I think about it: Spencer, Christy and the UAH team must be in on the manipulated-warming conspiracy also!

:lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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The sorry part is people buying the agw bull****.
 
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MrVicchio said:
The sorry part is people buying the agw bull****.
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What's weird is that I know from many of your posts that you're an intelligent fellow. So why do you blindly parrot the far-fetched claims of the likes of Christopher Booker or 'Steve Goddard' in this case? It's not like it's some big secret that there are more than one temperature datasets out there to compare against each other. You could find the monthly UAH data for the contiguous US states from the very first link, if you had only bothered to Google UAH temperature data USA. If the UAH data matches the NOAA or GISS data, obviously there's no conspiracy - unless you decide that it must include sceptics Spencer and Christy also!

And the UAH data does match the GISS data; it actually shows a little more warming.

But you never bothered to check that up, did you? I'm just wondering... why not? Why so eager to start a thread based solely on some right-wing British journalist's propaganda?
 
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