The US doesn't have a "crime problem"?

[CaughtInThe]

The primary reason why the US has so many people in prison is because there are so many laws criminalizing actions which have no victim.

There are a ton of inner city folks in prison for marijuana.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

According to you, and that's about as good as talking to a wall.

According to history, actually. Only someone completely uneducated would deny our history.

 

[RetiredUSN]

According to history, actually. Only someone completely uneducated would deny our history.

I have probably studied the issue far more than you, and I grew up in the blackest sections of Boston.

You read a book and bait forums.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I have probably studied the issue far more than you, and I grew up in the blackest sections of Boston.

You read a book and bait forums.

wtf

 

[RetiredUSN]

wtf

You know what you do on here. You have a history of baiting, or should I say that you wouldn't have a history without baiting.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You know what you do on here. You have a history of baiting, or should I say that you wouldn't have a history without baiting.

I sincerely have no idea why you felt the need to add that in. It was hilarious.

 

[RetiredUSN]

I sincerely have no idea why you felt the need to add that in. It was hilarious.

You know that you do, and who you are.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You know that you do, and who you are.

Right, it’s my fault. you had to go and do a racism in “defending” yourself.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Right, it’s my fault. you had to go and do a racism in “defending” yourself.

No matter what anyone says to you.........it's always racist.

It's how you roll.

Chasing hubcaps.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

No matter what anyone says to you.........it's always racist.

It's how you roll.

Chasing hubcaps.

Who asked you to tell everyone some of your best neighbors are Black? You guys say dumb shit like that and then cry over it. Why is it my fault you said something dumb and racist? What happened to bootstrapism?

 

[Roadvirus]

No matter what anyone says to you.........it's always racist.

It's how you roll.

Chasing hubcaps.

Someone should tell Ecofarm that Aunt Antifa is butting in on his turf.

 

[Lafayette]

The primary reason why the US has so many people in prison is because there are so many laws criminalizing actions which have no victim.

Can you give us some "genuine" examples of what you mean above. Because it is not obvious.

Victims are not a necessary element of any conviction - criminal or otherwise. Behavior contrary to the existing law is patently sufficient to go to jail ...

 

[aociswundumho]

Can you give us some "genuine" examples of what you mean above. Because it is not obvious.

All drug laws for starters.

 

[Lafayette]

All drug laws for starters.

Too large in scope, therefore meaningless ...

 

[Lafayette]

TYPES OF CRIME

Mass incarceration is definitely a problem.

However, if you want to know whether "there are high crime rates in the US," what you need to look at are actual crime rates. Not incarceration rates.

Do you really need someone to explain why?

Obviously, there are no incarceration-rates without crime-convictions. And "crime" takes many forms as do the methods for defining it.

See here for a list of the "types of crime".

 

[Lafayette]

PRISON STATISTICS

The primary reason why the US has so many people in prison is because there are so many laws criminalizing actions which have no victim.

I'm not so sure of the above assessment.

See here: US Federal Bureau of Prisons regarding criminal offenses and note those most prominent:
*The largest offense-category is Drug Offenses - Percentage of inmates: 46%
*Second largest, Weapons, Explosives, Arson - 21%
*Third largest, Sex Offenses - 11%

The above have no victims?

I, for one and frankly, am surprised. Given also that compared to those above the other offenses in the list are substantially less percentage-wise ...

PS: Wanna meet some interesting friends in prison? Peddle drugs!

 

[swing_voter]

a	Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement	243	0.2%
b	Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses	7,260	5.0%
c	Continuing Criminal Enterprise	286	0.2%
d	Courts or Corrections	515	0.4%
e	Drug Offenses	66,905	46.2%
f	Extortion, Fraud, Bribery	7,241	5.0%
g	Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses	4,576	3.2%
h	Immigration	6,315	4.4%
i	Miscellaneous	862	0.6%
j	National Security	38	0.0%
k	Robbery	4,638	3.2%
l	Sex Offenses	16,211	11.2%
m	Weapons, Explosives, Arson	29,825	20.6%

Drugs are the most common crime. Weapons violations are the second and I bet they are mostly weapons used while dealing drugs.


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[Maidenrules29]

The primary reason why the US has so many people in prison is because there are so many laws criminalizing actions which have no victim.

Please list some of these victimless crimes and we can can talk about that.

 

[aociswundumho]

Please list some of these victimless crimes and we can can talk about that.

All drug laws, all gun possession laws, all laws against prostitution, gambling, etc.

 

[Lafayette]

Site-thread ruptured by one-liner nonsensical responses

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...

 

[Maidenrules29]

All drug laws for starters.

So all transactions involving hard drugs like heroin are victimless crimes? Wrong. When people buy drugs like those, they help support the drug dealers and drug cartels. What do drug dealers and drug cartels do? They kill people. Either with guns that they use to protect sales turf or grow areas, or by lacing or cutting drugs with stuff like Fentanyl, causing people to die by overdose. There are your victims.....

 

[Individual]

Who says the US doesn't have a "crime problem"?
Permanently remove repeat and violent criminals from society and we would begin to reduce the problem.

 

[Lafayette]

So all transactions involving hard drugs like heroin are victimless crimes? Wrong. When people buy drugs like those, they help support the drug dealers and drug cartels. What do drug dealers and drug cartels do? They kill people. Either with guns that they use to protect sales turf or grow areas, or by lacing or cutting drugs with stuff like Fentanyl, causing people to die by overdose. There are your victims.....

Good post, but there is also the factor that if Drug Dealers persist it is because there is a Market Demand for drugs. How do we attend to that particuarly acute problem in the US?

Frankly, some people think, "Well, if they want to take drugs, then they deserve the consequences ..."

 

[aociswundumho]

So all transactions involving hard drugs like heroin are victimless crimes? Wrong. When people buy drugs like those, they help support the drug dealers and drug cartels. What do drug dealers and drug cartels do? They kill people.

Does the same argument apply when progressives outlawed the making and sale of alcohol in the 20s?

Either with guns that they use to protect sales turf or grow areas,

Caused entirely by government prohibition, again, just like what we observed during the 20s with alcohol.

or by lacing or cutting drugs with stuff like Fentanyl, causing people to die by overdose. There are your victims.....

Those are victims of fraud. If one person willingly buys a bag of heroin from another, there is no victim, and hence no crime.

 

[eohrnberger]

It is amazing how many threads are turned into bash Trump threads. Our idiotic war on drugs is what causes these high incarceration rates.

Is this to pose the choice of legalizaing the societal scourge of now illegal drugs, and all the social and criminal problems that it brings with it, to lower incarceration statistics?

Yes, societal scourge:

So all transactions involving hard drugs like heroin are victimless crimes? Wrong. When people buy drugs like those, they help support the drug dealers and drug cartels. What do drug dealers and drug cartels do? They kill people. Either with guns that they use to protect sales turf or grow areas, or by lacing or cutting drugs with stuff like Fentanyl, causing people to die by overdose. There are your victims.....

Think of the societal impact and cost of the addicted.