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The US Constitution is Incapable of Dealing with Racism in America.

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So you believe that the correct response to murder is indeed punishment, just not capital punishment ?

So if that is your sole criticism of the US judicial system, do you believe that the system in the 22 US states that have abolished capital punishment is flawless ?

Or do you have other examples of "failure" that you claim is held up in the rest of the modern world ?
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All of them only applied to the government.

What about the 13th Amendment - Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Doesn't that mean people can't own other people ?

What about the 18th Amendment banning alcoholic drink ?
 

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What about the 13th Amendment - Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Doesn't that mean people can't own other people ?

What about the 18th Amendment banning alcoholic drink ?


?????? Those amendments are not "(regarding racial prejudice)", of course.


Which amendment only applied to the government (regarding racial prejudice) ?
 

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No of course, the 13th Amendment regarding slavery is not about racial prejudice at all.
/sarcasm


THE POINT, youve been trying to avoid is that the constitution only prohibits the government from discriminating on the basis of race and says nothing of discrimination by individuals.
 

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THE POINT, youve been trying to avoid is that the constitution only prohibits the government from discriminating on the basis of race and says nothing of discrimination by individuals.

Wasn't slavery racial discrimination ?
 

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The US Constitution, its amendments and its vast body of case law does not guarantee that the United States of America will remain a republic form of democracy in perpetuity. The history of the 20th and this century provides a number of examples of democracies which fell, and are falling, to authoritarian rule. It does not require a revolution. One factor often present is a failing level of confidence in the government and in major societal institutions such as the press.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 

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The US Constitution, its amendments and its vast body of case law does not guarantee that the United States of America will remain a republic form of democracy in perpetuity. The history of the 20th and this century provides a number of examples of democracies which fell, and are falling, to authoritarian rule. It does not require a revolution. One factor often present is a failing level of confidence in the government and in major societal institutions such as the press.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Doesn't the Constitution guarantee the states a "Republican form of government" ?
 

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Hi!

There's no such thing as an absolute guarantee, 'specially in something as fragile as a constitution.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Well shall we say it's guaranteed whilst the Constitution still exists as the highest law of the land.
 

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Well shall we say it's guaranteed whilst the Constitution still exists as the highest law of the land.

Hi!

Why bother?

It's important, if concerned about American democracy, to look for constitutional weak points, not strengths.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 

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The Constitution as [sic] a LOT of weak points.

It surely does. Some are minor. Others are of greater importance when the nation is faced with a major crisis. What tops the list are those which would be exploited by a populist authoritarian bent on making the United States of America a single party state. Some of the ground has already been prepared for such an event. We are seeing increased distrust of our government and of the basic institutions which support our political system.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 

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It surely does. Some are minor. Others are of greater importance when the nation is faced with a major crisis. What tops the list are those which would be exploited by a populist authoritarian bent on making the United States of America a single party state. Some of the ground has already been prepared for such an event. We are seeing increased distrust of our government and of the basic institutions which support our political system.

Trump has done a lot of damage to the country, IMO, by undermining the legitimacy of the government, by spewing constant lies about the election being stolen from him. And many Americans believe it.
 

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Trump has done a lot of damage to the country, IMO, by undermining the legitimacy of the government, by spewing constant lies about the election being stolen from him. And many Americans believe it.

Hi!

Your last sentence is, unfortunately, true. There is a percent of us Americans who are willing to accept an authoritarian leader. This is, perhaps, a failing in our system of education.

If you listen to a number of AM radio 'conservatives'*, they appear to put great stress on learning about the US Constitution. Some will even offer to send listeners free copies of it. One of the things not stressed, though, is how to separate a politician's nonsense from fact. Or, if you wish, how to identify an emotional appeal as opposed to a factual one..

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

* I've set off the word because, by and large, the radio hosts are not conservatives in the formal sense.
 

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Hi!

Your last sentence is, unfortunately, true. There is a percent of us Americans who are willing to accept an authoritarian leader. This is, perhaps, a failing in our system of education.

It's not authoritarian rule to them when it's wrapped up in a red, white and blue flag that Trump overtly kisses
He's not doing anything that they don't support, so he's not a tyrant
As long as he keeps his Faustian deal with the religious right and embraces the US flag
It's pure nationalism (with associated racism)

He mirrors so much of Hitler's rise to power)

If you listen to a number of AM radio 'conservatives'*, they appear to put great stress on learning about the US Constitution. Some will even offer to send listeners free copies of it. One of the things not stressed, though, is how to separate a politician's nonsense from fact. Or, if you wish, how to identify an emotional appeal as opposed to a factual one..

That's all Trump offers, rhetoric and emotional appeal to nationalism.
 

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Based on your posts regarding the constitution, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

So, let’s deal with your anecdotal question: If some of our best friends were recently black and president, HOOOOOW can this country be racist?

Easy: the problem isn’t an outlier of success, the problem is how is the average day to day nobody, like most of us, being treated by the system? When a white guy or gal gets pulled over by a cop, they probably groan and start fishing for their stuff. They might even tell him/her they should be out “chasing real criminals”.

Black men? Hands on the wheel at all times. Do as told. Don’t talk back. (And a great many times stopped simply for the violation of driving while Black)

This is an example, but it plays out in any number of ways, scenarios, and language used to describe peope. I bet in your everyday life you define down non-white folks without even realizing it.
If black people pulled half the shit sovereign citizens pull can you imagine what would happen?
 

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If black people pulled half the shit sovereign citizens pull can you imagine what would happen?

OMG those folks are completely bonkers McCrazyPants.
 

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White supremacy is specific to this country’s history.

You need to get out more. Maybe visit some other countries. Is there still racism in the US? Of course. But going to other countries it is worse. Most of the world is racist. Try going to Asia as a black American and come back and tell me about racism. You people need to be more realistic. America may have its problems, but so does the rest of the world. And you think that there is a better government than the US? Show us one.
 

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You need to get out more. Maybe visit some other countries. Is there still racism in the US? Of course. But going to other countries it is worse. Most of the world is racist. Try going to Asia as a black American and come back and tell me about racism. You people need to be more realistic. America may have its problems, but so does the rest of the world. And you think that there is a better government than the US? Show us one.

I don’t know why the criteria is “it’s worse somewhere else.” That’s your definition of acceptable, not mine.

And our country was built on the premise we are *not* like anyone else, and not just by a little.
 

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"All men are created equal" is not ambiguous. The Constitution deals with it perfectly fine.
 
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