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The Urge to Surge

Cold Highway

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Perpetual War got to love it, well until you run out of money. Hell even when you run out of money, just start up the propaganda machines to say everything is fine and get the central banks to print more money.

The Urge to Surge by Tom Engelhardt
 
Rofl sorry but Lew Rockwell is so far to the right he's basically fornicating with Ayn Rand about eugenics.
 
comparison of the current US counterinsurgency strategy with the Soviets sweep and clear approach is disengenous at worst and merely uninformed at best.
 
comparison of the current US counterinsurgency strategy with the Soviets sweep and clear approach is disengenous at worst and merely uninformed at best.

what is disingenuous is your attempt to pretend the OP was addressing strategies used rather than a recognition of the ultimate identical outcomes of the wars in the same region - despite the strategies employed by the two major powers
 
what is disingenuous is your attempt to pretend the OP was addressing strategies used rather than a recognition of the ultimate identical outcomes of the wars in the same region - despite the strategies employed by the two major powers

the outcomes can't be divorced from the strategies. the ultimate Soviet goal was permanent domination; the ultimate American one is that we leave a reasonably representative Afghan government capable of taking on the Taliban / AQ elements independently.
 

before you confused strategy with outcome. now you mistake goal with outcome
notice the ruskies did not accomplish domination
and the USA will also fail to bring the afghanis to heel
 

reasonably representative just like the house of saud?? please keep going, this will get juicy.

or do you mean reasonably representative like our own congress with their glorious 9% approval?
 
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before you confused strategy with outcome. now you mistake goal with outcome
notice the ruskies did not accomplish domination
and the USA will also fail to bring the afghanis to heel

we're not trying to 'bring them to heel'. methinks you are not well schooled in counterinsurgency doctrine.
 
reasonably representative just like the house of saud?

no, that would not meet our goals at all.

or do you mean reasonably representative like our own congress with their glorious 9% approval?

HAH. no I suppose I would mean more like Iraq, with it's higher voter participation than our own.
 
we're not trying to 'bring them to heel'. methinks you are not well schooled in counterinsurgency doctrine.

so, you want us to believe that we do not have as an objective to get afghanis - especially the government - to conform to our expectations
a novel - and very incorrect - position
 
so, you want us to believe that we do not have as an objective to get afghanis - especially the government - to conform to our expectations
a novel - and very incorrect - position

i figured at the end of december that the stock market's "bull run" was going to face some petering out in january-march because the economic data simply wouldn't support a huge recovery. turned out i was right - and so far the data has 'conformed to my expectations'. in no way did i make the economy 'come to heel'. we aren't trying to run their country; we are trying to help them run their country; there is a rather distinct and important difference there.
 
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