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The Unconstitutionality is the Purpose

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A series of actions taken ɓy Trump in the first two weeks of the administration are intended to stress the system in as many ways as possible. By "the system", I mean, "the constitutional order". Many of his EOs are about as blatantly unconstitutional as possible, and he is literally ignoring a plethora of laws and daring the Congress and the courts to intervene.

The list is too long to catalog in this OP - I only get 5000 characters - but they range from trying to rewrite the 14th Amendment's "birthright citizenship" provision, to blatantly discriminating against minorities, to appointing a private citizen with multiple conflicts of interest to "oversee" government operations, self-dealing, firing protected employees in violation of federal laws - essentially a system built over nearly 150 years to prevent the cronyism and conflicts of interest he's foisting upon the nation - and misusing the US treasury.

The point, as with his first go round, is to see what he can get away with. Every time he violates the law, ignores his duty, arrogates powers to himself, and abuses his office, it is to push the boundaries. He's already learned that he will face little consequences from an obsequious party and congressional toadies - they refused to hold him accountable in two well-grounded impeachments and a violent insurrection - and a collaborative Supreme Court majority that extended impunity in a wholly unconstitutional manner, essentially preventing any criminal prosecution no matter how egregious the crime. And egregious they have been.

The problem is, it may already be too late to stop the coup. And it is, definitionally, a coup. "A coup d'état, often abbreviated to coup, is the overthrow of a lawful government through illegal means. If force or violence are not involved, such an event is sometimes called a soft or bloodless coup. In another variation, a ruler who came to power through legal means may try to stay in power through illegal means, thus preventing the next legal ruler from taking power. These events are called self coups." Wikipedia (which also lists Jan 6 as a coup attempt)

We are in the midst of history, a very dark chapter. Unfortunately, it is still unfolding. I doubt it will be long before greater outright violence will be employed in its pursuit. History, if it is ever written, as it is currently being "revised", will not be kind to those who failed to prevent it from happening.
 
Since Obama was elected Trump and then his Putin MAGAs have been mouth breathing for Putin's Russian oligarchy in America. With this Trump's second term the Putin-Trump-MAGAs have finally arrived at the point of its implementation. There's no stopping it by regular order and normal Constitutional processes and procedures. Putin-Trump-MAGAs to include the Supreme MAGA Court have so damaged and beat up the Constitution that it's in a coma on life support. MAGAs are hellbent to pull the plug on it -- coming soon. The only thing standing firm against it is the military armed forces that aren't doing deportation and won't do Trump's "enemies within" either.
 
None of this came as a surprise to us, however. We all knew what he wanted to do. The 2025 Plan was even published; it wasn't a secret document. Although, as I have posted elsewhere, I wish I were able to leave the US behind, I cannot. When a Canadian poster wrote in another thread that he would never again enter the United States, I empathized with him. I don't want to live among people who knew who Trump was and voted for him.

The lawsuits may win out in the end. I like it that there are Senators on the steps of The Treasury Building yelling but that they will not let Musk get away with taking over the government. Because Trump and he can sure steal a lot of data and kill a lot of poor people before the lawsuits take effect years from now. I am very worried about USAID. It cannot be shut down. It is illegal for the president (let alone Musk) to touch it. But there is no food or medicine going to starving people hoping for food and sick people who will die without their medicine. Because Trump let Elon Musk loose among our government, although he had no right to do so.
 
I wonder how long we have to wait until Elon and the other Oligarchs pull the trigger and get Vance to use the 25A so they can get their true puppet in place?
 
I wonder how long we have to wait until Elon and the other Oligarchs pull the trigger and get Vance to use the 25A so they can get their true puppet in place?
Why would they need to?
 
Why would they need to?
Because at some point when they've already entrenched themselves thoroughly, they'll get tired of Trump's chaos. Elon just needs a bit more time to get into all of the government's systems.
 
The law is whatever the far right and the SCOTUS say it is. The country is now an autocracy / kleptocracy / oligarchy in a way that it has not been before.
 
yawn...this thread can be summed up thusly...

"Blah, blah, blah"

"BLAH, blah blah blah"

Blah BLAH BLAH BLAH?​

And on and on...
 

There's also something even darker about the shutdown/attempted shutdown of USAID. Beyond the fact that it's blatant Executive overreach, it's also a signal to the rest of the world about the kinds of value system the United States intends to export from now on. The US no officially no longer really values alliances unless they have a direct, obvious transactional benefit and purpose to the United States, and specifically to the regime that runs it.

The other message is that the US no longer cares about human rights; in fact, we're openly hostile to them, and that's particularly important, because a country that exports hostility toward human rights is giving itself permission to abuse them in the future. We're giving the finger to the UN. We're pulling down our pants and mooning the ICJ and ICC - and the Geneva Convention. We're encouraging dictators to brutalize their dissidents as long as we get their natural resources on the cheap. This is America in 2025.
 
I agree with you. But in the short-run, what matters is the people waiting and hoping every day for food. It suddenly stopped. If it were a dog left with no food, hoping every day that it would come again, we would have more compassion.
 
I hope McConnell and Garland haven't slept a wink since Trump was elected.
They both had a chance to stop this in its tracks and they sat on their hands.
 
You're so eloquent.
It’s @Mycroft. He’s easily triggered. Heck, when Donald didn’t win in 2020, he made up this whole fantasy about a gigantic global conspiracy against him and kept rambling about it for four consecutive years. Such a posting history is not reflective of a well-groundedness to any clear form of reality. It’s quite possible that he is reading posts on this thread but his brain is literally perceiving no words other than “blah.”

At least he’s open about it.
 
I hope McConnell and Garland haven't slept a wink since Trump was elected.
They both had a chance to stop this in its tracks and they sat on their hands.
If they were decent men, capable of sleepless nights, they couldn't have acted the way they did as "public servants".
 
But it doesn't make him a good conversationalist.
 
But it doesn't make him a good conversationalist.
MAGA aren’t interested in conversation. Being an evangelistic religion, evangelism is the extent of their conversation skills; every post is either in service of advancing the Holy Word of their Lord and Savior Donald John Trump, or in service of demonizing the Other — namely everyone else including you and I — as agents of Satan, as was the case with Mycroft’s post. In neither case are the prospects good for an actual “conversation.”
 
yawn...this thread can be summed up thusly...

"Blah, blah, blah"​
"BLAH, blah blah blah"​
Blah BLAH BLAH BLAH?​

And on and on...

You can explain how you think the examples in the OP are constitutional actions.
 
yawn...this thread can be summed up thusly...

"Blah, blah, blah"​
"BLAH, blah blah blah"​
Blah BLAH BLAH BLAH?​

And on and on...
Blah blah blah sums up your posting history. "Thusly?" Lol. Two ellipses.
 


Ya know I've been thinking about this for awhile and wondering how we got here.

And ultimately I went back to this fat ****, MHRIH (May He Rot In Hell). I mean there were always wackadoddles in the world, but he made divisiveness mainstream as entertainment. There were always smaller pockets of stupidity - don't get me wrong. But what started out as stupid entertainment morphed into becoming (along with the likes of Hannity) spewers of hate and discontent and his "Ditto Heads" lapped it up. No longer was it entertainment, he became the "fountain of truth". His people didn't need to think, they just regurgitated what they heard him say, no matter how false.

I've always considered myself more of a Goldwater Republican, and this asshole corrupted and destroyed the party of the likes of Goldwater and Reagan.

MHRIH

WW
 
The examples in the OP are blah blah blah. I can't explain anything about blah blah blah.

That means your post is a meaningless jab. You could use a template:

Trump's actions are constitutional because _____.
 
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