The Uncanny Christianity of the Nazis

[Aryan Imperium]

Yea, suuuuuuuuuuure. Here: Have some more Kool-Aid! :ws

You're officially insane. YOu have no argument other than attacking modern academics. That's it in a nutschell. Y our theories are out of date and rejected, so you simply reject academics.

Are you a psychiatrist? If not why do you attempt such a diagnosis?
The strange thing is that it is often mad people who consider others to be mad solely because they hold a differing opinion.
Not so tolerant of others` views are you?

 

[George_Washington]

Oh, and by the way, Washington. I looked up in my text the quote I wanted to show you about German citizens supporting mass terror and extermination. On page 110 "Inside Hitler's Germany:" "What was the view of ordinary Germans on the use of terror against specific groups? It is a sad fact that there existed much popular approval when it cam eto the use of terror to deal with non-standard behavior or non-standard (subhuman) categories of person. [...] The excuse of ignorance is not credible, as Nazi terror was highly visible, documented in the presse, and given legitimacy in teh speeches of th Reich Leaders. [...]Even some of those who criticized the regime for the detention and torture of poltiical opponents approved of long prison sentences given to groups such as [...] Gypsies and homosexuals."

You're correct but see it's kind of a complicated issue. There were signs of torture, yes. But most of the people that saw evidence of persecution of the Jews, gypsies, etc. where people in Berlin and some of the larger cities. The people in rural areas didn't see that much of it. Also, I don't think people in the south saw as much of it either in cities like Munich.

The Nazi Economist of the early to mid thirties (schacht) was a capitalist who advocated a relatively free market combined with some regulation. Many of his projected ideas were not unlike what goes on now. Nazi germany was involved in the economy, but that doesn't make the nation socialist. It was, as I said, an authoritarian mixed economy. It had socialist elements, but it also had capitalist elements. Much of the businesses were privately owned--but not all. There was regulation--but the property was largely in the hands of private investors and owners. That is very unsocialist. Now, if one takes into consideration the historical context, we know that the Nazis largely purged much of the Socialist groups and backing of their party by the late thirties.

Now, in socialist nations, it is supposed to be a "will of the people" and "workers revolution." Hitler directly crushed this attempt at worker-freedom and did many very, again, unsocialist things. For example, in the German industrial worker leagu, "Workers lost their right to strike and the ability to organize into unions. Now, at the same time, the Nazis replaced these with contradictory policies in the DAF. The essential gist of the movement is such: Worker freedom is replaced by totalitarian control over the worker, yet the worker is kept entertained and happy via Kraft Durch Freude. Meanwhile, while some professed this was good for the worker, it also greatly benefited the private industries.

Now, the agriculture market was, perhaps, the most heavily socalistic element of the Third Reich, because it was completely dominated by the government. Prices were set, wages were fixed, and much of the land and property was State owned and operated.

At the same time, however, "Inside Hitler's Germany" claims that "German [private] business in general was happy to go along with thes new regime. The Nazis smashed organized labour, left-wing revolution, and resotred order. In return, German big business was expected to help finance the Nazis."

Hitler also commented in a meeting with jubilant business leaders that, "Private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democraacy; it is conceivable only if the people have an idea of sound authority and personality." Further, Hitler promised "to eliminate Marxism, [...] [which] appealed to the industrialists [...] such as Krupp, United Steel, and I.G.Farben

There existed both a private and a public sector in Germany, and many policies were logically contradictory. The only thing consistant in Germany was the use of authoritarianism, however.

Yes I think you're pretty correct here. In the early days the Nazis made promises of helping the worker class and had some strong support from them. But then once they got into power they crushed organized labor. However, I don't think that Hitler would have ended socialism entirely-at least not a kind of socialism that he felt benefited the "master race".

 

[Technocratic_Utilitarian]

Are you a psychiatrist? If not why do you attempt such a diagnosis?
The strange thing is that it is often mad people who consider others to be mad solely because they hold a differing opinion.
Not so tolerant of others` views are you?

No. I am not tolerant. I am just not a Nazi.

Of course Eskimos are not Indo-Europeans anymore than me speaking Chineese would make me an Oriental.

Except that it means any Indo-European speaking people. Most, if not all, of the usages of Aryan have been thrown away, and the entire history of the Aryans is suspect if you pick up any college level history or anthropology text. ANY college anthro text. It doesn't even matter which one. THey are nearly uniform in the research.

Yes the Germans are Aryans. You repeating the opposite position as a sacred mantra will not make your assertion a truism.

Repeating the opinions of credible institutions and texts is all I have to do. The burden of proof is then on you, and all you are goign to do is repeat the same nazi propaganda. No. Germans are not Aryans. There is no credible research to show they are. IF germans are, so are some tribes of indo-european speaking Eskimoes. They are both absurd.

 

[Lucidthots]

Absolutely!
Interested in the statue, please tell us something about this.

The Image is of the Statue of "Mother Russia" in Volgograd, previously known as Stalingrad.

It sits upon a hill on the Russian Steepes, North of the Caucasus, between the Black and Caspian Sea.

This is the region where, as you probably well know, the Ancient Aryans domesticated Horses and developed their hunting skills, sweeping across Asia, migrating east into the Caspian/Aral Sea region and down into India.

The last image of the man with the shield and sword is in Kiev.