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The Tyranny of Political Correctness (1 Viewer)

Are you offended when a person say "Merry Christmas" to you

  • I feel the need to walk away out of utter anger

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • I respond in the same jovial Merry Christmas manner.

    Votes: 32 86.5%
  • I grunt, feel uncomfortable, and respond Happy Holidays

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • I just look at them or pretend to ignore them as so many people do

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Total voters
    37

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Are you offended when you hear Merry Christmas during the holidays? If so, why?

A Zogby Poll show these results:

Survey finds very few upset by ‘Merry Christmas’ greeting

Zogby International

“Merry Christmas” is back on the lips of many retailers greeting shoppers this holiday season – much to the delight of the 32% of those who say they’re offended when a store clerk who instead uses the generic but politically correct “Happy Holidays,” a new Zogby Interactive poll shows

Last year’s decision by many retailers – including retail giant Wal-Mart – to curtail the use of “Merry Christmas” for fear of offending those who don’t celebrate the holiday caused a backlash from conservative Christian groups as well as consumers.

Zogby polling shows an overwhelming majority (95%) say they are not offended by being greeted with a “Merry Christmas” while shopping, including 98% for weekly Wal-Mart shoppers. But greet them with a “Happy Holidays,” and 46% say they take offense.


So the question that boggles the mind is this; How do certain minority groups end up:

1. Dominating Ppolitical Correctness
2. Shaping American Culture for their purpose

It seems that certain groups feel that Americans should be simultaneously ashamed of our culture while embracing everybody else's culture.

Why are those that are offended by Christmas not offended during Hannakah? If I say "Merry Christams" and a person resonds "Happy Kwanza", I would think that this was rude, but if they said, "Merry Christmas to you as well and also have a great Kwanza", I would think that this was totally cool.

It seems that we are being subjegated to the whims of a few radicals. What are their goals? How are they doing it?

MERRY CHRISTMAS !
 
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Are you offended when you hear Merry Christmas during the holidays? If so, why?

Nope....has a nice ring to it

A Zogby Poll show these results:

Is that like...the North Poll




So the question that boggles the mind is this; How do certain minority groups end up:

1. Dominating Ppolitical Correctness
2. Shaping American Culture for their purpose

Mostly because they are reacting to Majority groups...and feel threatened


It seems that certain groups feel that Americans should be simultaneously ashamed of our culture while embracing everybody else's culture.

So it Seems

Why are those that are offended by Christmas not offended during Hannakah? If I say "Merry Christams" and a person resonds "Happy Kwanza", I would think that this was rude,


Why?....not politically correct enough for 'Ya?



but if they said, "Merry Christmas to you as well and also have a great Kwanza", I would think that this was totally cool.

So would I....Happy Yule

It seems that we are being subjegated to the whims of a few radicals. What are their goals? How are they doing it?

MERRY CHRISTAMS !



.....And have an excellent Solstice....
 
I don't care if anybody wishes me a Happy Holidays, Kwanza, hannukah, Christmas, whatever. To me it is a sincere wish for goodwill, and kindness and should be returned, not bitched about. So it doesn't bother me, and it shouldn't bother anybody else. But fundamentalists go crazy about this ****, as well as liberals who are easily offended. get over yourselves *******s.
 
I am offended by neither a greeting of Merry Christmas nor Happy Holidays.
 
It seems that we are being subjegated to the whims of a few radicals. What are their goals? How are they doing it?


I am not offended,because I love Christmas. But I can see how others who do not celebrate can get offended. It seems the last couple years we are getting Christmas shoved down our throats. Don't get me wrong, like I said I am a totally holidays kinda gal, but I do see the hipocracy arise this time of year.
 
Its a sad sad place where the words "Happy Holidays" are offensive.
 
Are you offended when you hear Merry Christmas during the holidays? If so, why?

A Zogby Poll show these results:

So the question that boggles the mind is this; How do certain minority groups end up:

1. Dominating Ppolitical Correctness
2. Shaping American Culture for their purpose

It seems that certain groups feel that Americans should be simultaneously ashamed of our culture while embracing everybody else's culture.

Actually certain groups feel that everyone else should be ashamed of their culture, and instead embrace that person's own culture. The groups in question are conservative Jesus Freaks, not non-Christians. It is THESE people who have decided "Happy Holidays" is politically incorrect, and it is THESE people who have tried to shape American culture for their own agenda.

As the poll shows, no one is offended by "Merry Christmas." It's a story entirely cooked up by Bill O'Reilly to boost his own TV ratings. Nothing more.

Johnny_Utah said:
Why are those that are offended by Christmas not offended during Hannakah?

Name for me one person who is offended by Christmas, please.

Johnny_Utah said:
If I say "Merry Christams" and a person resonds "Happy Kwanza", I would think that this was rude, but if they said, "Merry Christmas to you as well and also have a great Kwanza", I would think that this was totally cool.

Then what is wrong with "Happy Holidays"? It's essentially saying the same thing as that phrase you described as being cool. It is people who have a problem with this phrase who are being PC morons...not everyone else.

Johnny_Utah said:
It seems that we are being subjegated to the whims of a few radicals. What are their goals? How are they doing it?

The goal of these Christian radicals is to stamp out any evidence that any faith other than Christianity exists in this country, and to make people ashamed to not be Christian.

Johnny_Utah said:
MERRY CHRISTMAS !

Happy holidays. :roll:
 
You are saying that Jesus Freak ultra -religious groups are offended by Merry Christmas when the entire holiday is celebrating Jesus? What the heck are you talking about? This is about Political Correctness and lawyers fearing multi-million dollar lawsuits and shoppers leaving and shopping elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
Then what is wrong with "Happy Holidays"? It's essentially saying the same thing as that phrase you described as being cool. It is people who have a problem with this phrase who are being PC morons...not everyone else.

Nothing is wrong with Happy Holidays, what do you have against Merry Christmas?

If I celebrate Christmas and I say Merry Christmas, then I am saying something positive. Saying "essentially" the same thing is not saying the same thing. This is a weak argument. If those that are actually offended by a clerk saying Happy Holidays were offended by a person on the street saying Happy Holidays, then they are being PC morons, true. But they are offended in the Wal-Mart case because they know that the clerk is being told to say Happy Holidays instead of their traditional Merry Christmas for fear of offending people like you. You seem either awfully sensitive or you are just making a really weak case.

This country is and always has been traditionally a Christian nation.

Patrick Henry said, "Righteousness alone can exalt (the people) as a nation....It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

After official recognition by Congress in an Act approved June 22, 1954 the words honoring God were added to the Pledge of Allegiance. For fifty years people have been saying "one nation under God" when they say the pledge to the flag. President Eisenhower said, "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America’s heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country’s most powerful resource in peace and war."

Originally Posted by Kandahar
Actually certain groups feel that everyone else should be ashamed of their culture, and instead embrace that person's own culture.

This sounds like what I just said except in the negative;

Originally Posted by Johnny_Utah
It seems that certain groups feel that Americans should be simultaneously ashamed of our culture while embracing everybody else's culture.

Moving on:

Originally Posted by Kandahar
As the poll shows, no one is offended by "Merry Christmas." It's a story entirely cooked up by Bill O'Reilly to boost his own TV ratings. Nothing more.

The poll shows that 95% of the people are not offended by Merry Christmas and this has nothing to do with Bill O'Reilly. This has to do with corporations like Wal-Mart that change their employee’s greetings to shoppers from Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays for fear of offending shoppers. There is not nor was there ever a reason to change. The vast majority were never offended to begin with. THAT is what this poll is about, about minority groups hijacking Political Correctness for their own gain.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
Happy holidays. :roll:

What is this? Are you just being a disingenuous punk?
 
I just cannot imagine being offended by the christmas holidays, Christmas Music, etc. I am a liberal and I will always be. Yet christmas is a traditional cultural holiday and it is lots of fun. It is also celebrates Jesus and I am a christian.

I know that christmas is hard on some of those rightwingers who want to fight with everyone, but what the heck.

God Bless America and Merry Christmas. I wish everybody, no matter what their race, religion, and nationality, a very merry christmas and a happy and peaceful new year. I know that you rightwingers won't like this, but peace on earth and good will toward mankind is OK. Heck maybe some of you right winger will learn to love peace, instead of death and war.
God Bless Us All.
 
Originally Posted by dragonslayer
I am a liberal and I will always be. Yet christmas is a traditional cultural holiday and it is lots of fun. It is also celebrates Jesus and I am a christian.

That is what is great. Some things unify people that are separated for various reasons. Christmas music alone can just make people happy and bond with others, finding similairities when they previously thought there were none.
 
You are saying that Jesus Freak ultra -religious groups are offended by Merry Christmas when the entire holiday is celebrating Jesus? What the heck are you talking about? This is about Political Correctness and lawyers fearing multi-million dollar lawsuits and shoppers leaving and shopping elsewhere.

Then surely you have an example of someone filing a multi-million dollar lawsuit because someone wished them Merry Christmas. No?

Johnny_Utah said:
Nothing is wrong with Happy Holidays, what do you have against Merry Christmas?

Nothing. No one does, which makes this thread stupid. You're asking for the causes of a phenomenon that doesn't exist.

Johnny_Utah said:
But they are offended in the Wal-Mart case because they know that the clerk is being told to say Happy Holidays instead of their traditional Merry Christmas for fear of offending people like you.

It has nothing to do with being offensive. Happy Holidays is simply a more inclusive greeting than Merry Christmas. If some stores feel that that makes customers feel more comfortable, that's perfectly fine. The fact that you're offended by it is silly.

Johnny_Utah said:
The poll shows that 95% of the people are not offended by Merry Christmas and this has nothing to do with Bill O'Reilly. This has to do with corporations like Wal-Mart that change their employee’s greetings to shoppers from Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays for fear of offending shoppers. There is not nor was there ever a reason to change. The vast majority were never offended to begin with. THAT is what this poll is about, about minority groups hijacking Political Correctness for their own gain.

The only minority groups that are being PC morons, in this case, are the conservative Jesus Freaks. No one is offended by Merry Christmas, as your own poll shows. Lots of people are offended by Happy Holidays, the PC Jesus Freaks.

And FYI, it's not like these stores suddenly "changed" their policy. Happy Holidays has been a common phrase for decades. It was never an issue until Bill O'Reilly decided to make a stink about it to boost his ratings.
 
Thats not true Kandahar, poppa bear O'Reily had it right, there is a War on Christmas. See ya at the front lines! /sarcasm_off
 
Originally Posted by Kandahar
And FYI, it's not like these stores suddenly "changed" their policy. Happy Holidays has been a common phrase for decades
.

Not suddenly, no, thank you for the obvious. But it depends on where you shop, I guess, with regards to whether or not is has been decades. I noticed the change more dramatically in the last few years where I shop.

O
riginally Posted by Kandahar
It was never an issue until Bill O'Reilly decided to make a stink about it to boost his ratings.

Yes it was. Perhaps it did not make national headlines, but that is something else entirely.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
If some stores feel that that makes customers feel more comfortable, that's perfectly fine.

True, but not the point.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
You're asking for the causes of a phenomenon that doesn't exist.

Incorrect assessment.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
The fact that you're offended by it is silly.

I am not offended at all

Originally Posted by Kandahar
Nothing. No one does, which makes this thread stupid.

Then I guess we won’t be seeing you anymore.
 
Not suddenly, no, thank you for the obvious. But it depends on where you shop, I guess, with regards to whether or not is has been decades. I noticed the change more dramatically in the last few years where I shop.

Uh huh. And did you notice this dramatic change BEFORE or AFTER people started bitching about it on television?

Johnny_Utah said:
Yes it was. Perhaps it did not make national headlines, but that is something else entirely.

Bull. NO ONE was offended by it prior to Bill O'Reilly's tantrum, including you. You can pretend that you were if you want, but you aren't fooling anyone.

Johnny_Utah said:
I am not offended at all

:lol:
If you say so. When I wished you a happy holidays and you called me a disingenuous punk, you were clearly displaying how non-offended you were by the phrase. :roll:

Johnny_Utah said:
Then I guess we won’t be seeing you anymore.

No such luck.
 
The people who don't like ="Merry Christmas" can **** off. It's simply a greeting and wish of happiness in the holiday season, not an attack against Hanukkah or other non-christian holidays.
 
The people who don't like ="Merry Christmas" can **** off. It's simply a greeting and wish of happiness in the holiday season, not an attack against Hanukkah or other non-christian holidays.

Except those people who don't like "Merry Christmas" don't actually exist...at least, not outside of the fantasies of Bill O'Reilly and the Christian Right.
 
Originally Posted by Kandahar
Except those people who don't like "Merry Christmas" don't actually exist...at least, not outside of the fantasies of Bill O'Reilly and the Christian Right.

Except for the 5% that fall into the "I don't get offended" catagory. But that is the whole point. The one that you won't face. As silly as it is, and that certainly is telling aobut you.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Utah
MERRY CHRISTMAS !

1. I say Merry Christmas. Positive. No agenda.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
Happy holidays. :roll:

2. You say Happy Holidays. Seemeingly positive, except you use rolling eyes at me as if you are being disingenious. So I don't assume, I just ask. This is what adults do. Please tell me that you are smarter than Paladin.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Utah
What is this? Are you just being a disingenuous punk?

3. I ask if you are being disingenious. It seems as if you are, so I ask. You could be just messing around trying to get a rise out of me for all I know. It now seems even more clear that this is just how you are.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
When I wished you a happy holidays and you called me a disingenuous punk

4. You state that I did call you disingenious. I did not. You misrepresent facts, either ignorantly or just flat out lying. I ask your intentions. You incorrectly assume mine.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
And did you notice this dramatic change BEFORE or AFTER people started bitching about it on television?

Interesting. So you are whining about the fact that you just aren't that bright or observant. :lol: Some of us simply notice what transpires around us without being told what to think by the TV.

Originally Posted by Kandahar
You can pretend that you were if you want, but you aren't fooling anyone.

:rofl
I wasn't offended and I am not offended. You seem to be a really insecure person, you are on the offensive so fast, adn to make up for what exactly? :lol:

You are making your whole lame-*** argument off of incorrect assumptions. That is fine. I'll just remember to disregard your feeble assessments faster next time. You can keep trolling and grasping at straws if you like, you are really good at it so far.

I like to laugh at monkeys, but engaging in conversation with them is a waste.

I am sorry, but you are really boring me with you witless blathering.
 
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Who the **** cares?
What's wrong with saying anything at all, for that matter why need say anything to begin with?
Happy holidays - great you recognize that there are more holidays than one and various ppl celebrate a great many different holidays and you're respecting the variety. Also you recognize that there are more nationally recognized holidays one right after the other then just christmas.
For those that say merry christmas, great you're trying to celebrate your holiday and spread that joy.

To anyone that gets offended by either of these or any other saying and need to make a big deal out of nothing, seriously, go **** yourself and get a freaking life.
 
Except those people who don't like "Merry Christmas" don't actually exist...at least, not outside of the fantasies of Bill O'Reilly and the Christian Right.

EXACTLY, this entire thread is backwards. No one was against Merry Christmas, but the mere fact that ANYONE (say... Jews, Muslims, or athiests, for example) would have the nerve to say anything besides Merry Christmas during the Christmas season (there are no other holidays, after all) set off O'Reilly's fuse.

If I work at Target, and somebody's buying a bunch of gifts, do I say Merry Christmas? No. Does the term offend me? Of course not.
 
5% of people take offense at “Merry X-mas” while 45% take offense at “Happy Holidays”? Unless I placate their need for christmas to reign supreme over all holy days, I am offending 45% of the population when I give it no more consideration than any other superstitious celebration of winter solstice?

Dictionary.com said:
ar•ro•gance /ˈærəgəns/
–noun offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

Happy ****ing Holidays, bitches.
 
I like to hear Merry Christmas personally, but I am Not offended by either Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas...

The poll looks fine to me Skip and Kandahar...it seems as if the poll is designed to see if our DP forum mirrors the Zogby Poll.

Originally Posted by Skip
If I work at Target, and somebody's buying a bunch of gifts, do I say Merry Christmas? No.

If it doesn't offend you, then why wouldn't you say it?

To all again:
I am not sure why, if it is Christmas, people don't say Merry Christmas and stop worryng about what other people will be offended by. During Hannakah, I wish people that. On St. Patricks Day, I drink a beer and say Happy St. Paddy's Day! I don't say Happy Holiday for fear that people will get offended by the Irish Holiday. What about Veterens Day?

Maybe we should all just start saying Happy Holiday in an effort to white wash that day for fear of offending any person that loves peace or lost a person during a war.

I say stop *****footing around people and their issues. Sometimes you just gotta be normal and not worry about offending the easily defensive.
 
Except for the 5% that fall into the "I don't get offended" catagory. But that is the whole point. The one that you won't face. As silly as it is, and that certainly is telling aobut you.

You know, pundits argue for all sorts of bizarre things in the newspapers and on television. And even so, I have NEVER heard anyone important claim to be offended by Merry Christmas. If I'm wrong on this, perhaps you could name these people. Otherwise, I'll assume they don't exist.
 
OK, I've thought about this particular issue for quite a while, and here's where I stand. And remember, this is my opinion, that's all. If I am talking to someone, whose religious background I know, I wish them a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, or whatever. If I don't know their religious background, I wish them Happy Holidays. I'd like the same back from others. I'm Jewish, and though not offended, I much prefer Happy Holidays to anything else if someone doesn't know my religious affiliation. To me, it's courteous, sends a clear positive message, and is respectful of my possible beliefs. Truthfully, I don't like being wished 'Merry Christmas'. I do not celebrate. I completely understand that no malice or discrimination is intended, when someone wishes me this; they are wishing me happiness in the current season, and I consider that kind of them. It's just uncomfortable and something I'm not fond of (undoubtedly related to being persecuted and discriminated against, because of my religion, in the past, both in general and around the holidays).

If someone wishes me 'MerryChristmas', however, I don't scowl, angrily walk away, or explain to them how rude they are for assuming I am Christian. I mearly smile, and either say, 'you, too', or 'Happy Holidays', or something similar.

With all this in mind, I can understand why some stores would ask their employees to say, 'Happy Holidays', rather than something more specific. I know, I always appreciate this small courtesy, and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would be offended by either saying or hearing 'Happy Holidays'...unless Kandahar is right about some Christian fundamentalists.
 
OK, I've thought about this particular issue for quite a while, and here's where I stand. And remember, this is my opinion, that's all. If I am talking to someone, whose religious background I know, I wish them a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, or whatever. If I don't know their religious background, I wish them Happy Holidays. I'd like the same back from others. I'm Jewish, and though not offended, I much prefer Happy Holidays to anything else if someone doesn't know my religious affiliation. To me, it's courteous, sends a clear positive message, and is respectful of my possible beliefs. Truthfully, I don't like being wished 'Merry Christmas'. I do not celebrate. I completely understand that no malice or discrimination is intended, when someone wishes me this; they are wishing me happiness in the current season, and I consider that kind of them. It's just uncomfortable and something I'm not fond of (undoubtedly related to being persecuted and discriminated against, because of my religion, in the past, both in general and around the holidays).

If someone wishes me 'MerryChristmas', however, I don't scowl, angrily walk away, or explain to them how rude they are for assuming I am Christian. I mearly smile, and either say, 'you, too', or 'Happy Holidays', or something similar.

With all this in mind, I can understand why some stores would ask their employees to say, 'Happy Holidays', rather than something more specific. I know, I always appreciate this small courtesy, and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would be offended by either saying or hearing 'Happy Holidays'...unless Kandahar is right about some Christian fundamentalists.



I'm right there with you.
I was actually taught as a child (by nuns, no less, as well as at home) that "Happy Holidays" is a more universally correct and inclusive greeting than "Merry Christmas".

I don't believe anyone gets offended by "Merry Christmas", although I know some people who might prefer a different salutation, since they are celebrating a holiday other than christmas.
But I know plenty of people who get offended- or worse, morally outraged- by "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings".
I know that every year I've been on the internet (which has been four years, so far) this same issue has been brought up around the holidays, each year as if it's a "new" issue, even though it was discussed last year, and the year before, and maybe for the past two decades, for all I know.

After having heard it debated numerous times, I am beginning to resent "Merry Christmas" (whereas I never did before) because in light of all this hostility and defiant, self-righteous pontification on the part of morally outraged fundamentalist Christians, the salutation itself begins to feel confrontational, aggressive, hostile.... some kind of secret-code challenge; a verbal gauntlet thrown down.
So, yeah. If anything's tainted "Merry Christmas" for me, it's this dumb PC-strawman debate I have to listen to every year.
It's nothing but an empty rallying cry for fundamentalist conservatives, since nobody's threatening their right to freedom of religion or freedom of expression, or their right to celebrate Christmas or say Christmas, or even their right to be rude, silly, and pompous twits.
This year, if you wish me a merry christmas, don't be surprised to receive a rather pointed but nevertheless perfectly cordial "Happy Holidays" in return.
I can't, at this point, stop suspecting that every "Merry Christmas" is merely part of a fundamentalist agenda to promote xenophobia and further exclude and marginalize those of other religions and cultures.
And I never thought that, I never did, until I started encountering this absurd "Merry Christmas versus Happy Holiday" debate over the past several years.
The Christian participants' invariable tone of self-righteous smugness is well nigh intolerable; they seem to desperately hope that their "Merry Christmases" are mortally offending those who do not subscribe to their religion.
They seem perversely pleased when someone tentatively suggests they might prefer a less sectarian holiday greeting; they seem to take an almost indecent delight in informing that person that- preferences notwithstanding- they will be wished "Merry Christmas" and that there's not a thing they can do about it because this is a Christian nation, blah blah blah.
All of which makes me think that the whole object is to offend or be objectionable, in hopes that someone- anyone- will object.
 

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