The truth of Global Warming

[ricksfolly]

Global warming really is just a myth. There is no proof that current warming is caused by green house gasses caused by humans. Ice core records from the past 650,000 years show that temperatures increases have proceeded, not resulted from, increases in CO2 by hundreds of years, suggesting that warming of the ocean is an important source in the rise in atmospheric CO2.

If the cause of warming is mostly natural then there is little we can do to stop it. We cannot control the inconsistent sun, the most likely origin of most climate variably.
Finally, no one can show that a warmer climate would produce negative impacts overall. The much–feared rise in sea levels does not seem to depend on short–term temperature changes, as the rate of sea–level increases has been steady since the last ice age, 10,000 years ago. In fact, many economists argue that the opposite is more likely—that warming produces a net benefit, that it increases incomes and standards of living. Why do we assume that the present climate is the optimum? Surely, the chance of this must be vanishingly small, and the economic history of past climate warmings bear this out.

I imagine that in the not–too–distant future all the hype will have died down, particularly if the climate should decide to cool—as it did during much of the past century; we should take note here that it has not warmed since 1998. Future generations will look back on the current madness and wonder what it was all about. They will have movies like An Inconvenient Truth and documentaries like The Great Global Warming Swindle to remind them.

You forgot to mention that the scientists didn't take into consideration all the known variables, including standard equipment, human error, accumulated tolerances, data locations and times, and the most essential, where and when daily reports were gathered and assessed.

ricksfolly

 

[ptif219]

Get ready to go back in time. Scientist whose predictions have all failed when it comes to global warming now want rationing.

Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world - Telegraph

 

[hazlnut]

The far-righties are flocking to DP like flies to...

The OP is another piece of talking point garbage...waste of space.

 

[Deuce]

Get ready to go back in time. Scientist whose predictions have all failed when it comes to global warming now want rationing.

Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world - Telegraph

Predictions all failed? Evidence of this please. Also:

In one paper Professor Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, said the only way to reduce global emissions enough, while allowing the poor nations to continue to grow, is to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years.

One guy says it. Of course, he also says:

“I am not saying we have to go back to living in caves,” he said. “Our emissions were a lot less ten years ago and we got by ok then.”

But hey, let's not let reality get in the way of more partisan hyperbole. ALL OF THE SCIENTISTS WHO ARE ALWAYS WRONG WANT US TO LIVE IN THE DARK OMG!

 

[ptif219]

Predictions all failed? Evidence of this please. Also:



One guy says it. Of course, he also says:



But hey, let's not let reality get in the way of more partisan hyperbole. ALL OF THE SCIENTISTS WHO ARE ALWAYS WRONG WANT US TO LIVE IN THE DARK OMG!

Show predictions that have happened. The oceans are not rising as predicted.

How about James Hanson of the GISS?

A little known 20 year old climate change prediction by Dr. James Hansen – that failed badly | Watts Up With That?

 

[Deuce]

Show predictions that have happened. The oceans are not rising as predicted.

How about James Hanson of the GISS?

A little known 20 year old climate change prediction by Dr. James Hansen – that failed badly | Watts Up With That?

No, dude, you made the statement that "all" of the predictions have failed. You're going to have to provide the evidence.

Sea levels are indeed rising
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise


Putting global surface temperatures aside, as only time can tell us if those are accurate enough, there are some other significant model predictions made and confirmed:

* models predict that surface warming should be accompanied by cooling of the stratosphere, and this has indeed been observed;
* models have long predicted warming of the lower, mid, and upper troposphere, even while satellite readings seemed to disagree -- but it turns out the satellite analysis was full of errors and on correction, this warming has been observed;
* models predict warming of ocean surface waters, as is now observed;
* models predict an energy imbalance between incoming sunlight and outgoing infrared radiation, which has been detected;
* models predict sharp and short-lived cooling of a few tenths of a degree in the event of large volcanic eruptions, and Mount Pinatubo confirmed this;
* models predict an amplification of warming trends in the Arctic region, and this is indeed happening;
* and finally, to get back to where we started, models predict continuing and accelerating warming of the surface, and so far they are correct.

You can cherry pick some more if that will help you feel better.

 

[Deuce]

Fixed link for stratospheric cooling, old one outdated:
- Cooling

 

[ptif219]

No, dude, you made the statement that "all" of the predictions have failed. You're going to have to provide the evidence.

Sea levels are indeed rising
Current sea level rise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Putting global surface temperatures aside, as only time can tell us if those are accurate enough, there are some other significant model predictions made and confirmed:

* models predict that surface warming should be accompanied by cooling of the stratosphere, and this has indeed been observed;
* models have long predicted warming of the lower, mid, and upper troposphere, even while satellite readings seemed to disagree -- but it turns out the satellite analysis was full of errors and on correction, this warming has been observed;
* models predict warming of ocean surface waters, as is now observed;
* models predict an energy imbalance between incoming sunlight and outgoing infrared radiation, which has been detected;
* models predict sharp and short-lived cooling of a few tenths of a degree in the event of large volcanic eruptions, and Mount Pinatubo confirmed this;
* models predict an amplification of warming trends in the Arctic region, and this is indeed happening;
* and finally, to get back to where we started, models predict continuing and accelerating warming of the surface, and so far they are correct.

You can cherry pick some more if that will help you feel better.

You ignore the fact that Hansen a Icon for GW has been wrong on everything. Sea level is rise is minimul at best. Predictions by GW propagandaist has been wrong.

Look at this no mention of GW

Frequently Asked Questions

Why does Sea Level change over time?

There are a number of factors that contribute to long and short-term variations in sea level. Short-term variations generally occur on a daily basis and include waves, tides, or specific flood events, such as those associated with a winter snow melt, or hurricane or other coastal storm. Long-term variations in sea level occur over various time scales, from monthly to several years, and may be repeatable cycles, gradual trends, or intermittent anomalies. Seasonal weather patterns, variations in the Earth's declination, changes in coastal and ocean circulation, anthropogenic influences (such as dredging), vertical land motion, and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are just a few of the many factors influencing changes in sea level over time. When estimating sea level trends, a minimum of 30 years of data are used in order to account for long-term sea level variations and reduce errors in computing sea level trends based on monthly mean sea level. Accounting for repeatable, predictable cycles, such as tidal, seasonal, and interannual variations allows computation of a more accurate long-term sea level trend.

 

[ptif219]

Fixed link for stratospheric cooling, old one outdated:
- Cooling

The Ozone Hole 2010

The Ozone Hole of 2010 was the second smallest in over a decade. It reached it's largest size of 22.2 million square kilometers on September 25,2010 which is below the decade average of 25.7 million square kilometers.

 

[Deuce]

You ignore the fact that Hansen a Icon for GW has been wrong on everything. Sea level is rise is minimul at best. Predictions by GW propagandaist has been wrong.

I didn't ignore it. Can you even read? It's like three posts up, this isn't hard. You're the one ignoring that some predictions have been proved accurate. You said they were all wrong, and I just proved you to be wrong.

Look at this no mention of GW

Frequently Asked Questions

Why does Sea Level change over time?

There are a number of factors that contribute to long and short-term variations in sea level. Short-term variations generally occur on a daily basis and include waves, tides, or specific flood events, such as those associated with a winter snow melt, or hurricane or other coastal storm. Long-term variations in sea level occur over various time scales, from monthly to several years, and may be repeatable cycles, gradual trends, or intermittent anomalies. Seasonal weather patterns, variations in the Earth's declination, changes in coastal and ocean circulation, anthropogenic influences (such as dredging), vertical land motion, and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are just a few of the many factors influencing changes in sea level over time. When estimating sea level trends, a minimum of 30 years of data are used in order to account for long-term sea level variations and reduce errors in computing sea level trends based on monthly mean sea level. Accounting for repeatable, predictable cycles, such as tidal, seasonal, and interannual variations allows computation of a more accurate long-term sea level trend.

Yes, and the long-term trend is about 1.8mm/year rising, over the last century.

The Ozone Hole 2010

The Ozone Hole of 2010 was the second smallest in over a decade. It reached it's largest size of 22.2 million square kilometers on September 25,2010 which is below the decade average of 25.7 million square kilometers.

What's your point with this? We stopped using CFCs so much, so the ozone situation is getting better.

Your "proof" that Hansen was wrong? Let's break it down:

An interview from Salon.com with Bob Reiss where he "quotes" 30-year old information, second-hand. You're using third-hand, unproven information as your source. Where's the transcript of the original prediction? Where's proof that he stands by those claims now?

 

[ptif219]

I didn't ignore it. Can you even read? It's like three posts up, this isn't hard. You're the one ignoring that some predictions have been proved accurate. You said they were all wrong, and I just proved you to be wrong.



Yes, and the long-term trend is about 1.8mm/year rising, over the last century.



What's your point with this? We stopped using CFCs so much, so the ozone situation is getting better. Your article said the ozone hole will increase yet it is shrinking.

There all kinds of predictions that did not happen very few are even close. GW is a lie and the predictions prove it because they do not happen

Your "proof" that Hansen was wrong? Let's break it down:

An interview from Salon.com with Bob Reiss where he "quotes" 30-year old information, second-hand. You're using third-hand, unproven information as your source. Where's the transcript of the original prediction? Where's proof that he stands by those claims now?

The sea level is not where Hansen predicted. So it is a false prediction. Gw predictions have not happened so it shows GW is not science but Opinions and lies. You posted a link about how carbon would increase the hole yet it is shrinking

 

[Deuce]

The sea level is not where Hansen predicted. So it is a false prediction. Gw predictions have not happened so it shows GW is not science but Opinions and lies.

So what you're saying is that because one guy made one prediction wrong, all AGW theory is opinion and lies? Oi.
Ok, well, some guys used to think the earth was the center of the universe. Clearly all of astronomy is opinion and lies.

You posted a link about how carbon would increase the hole yet it is shrinking

Holy **** you really can't read can you? This article is talking about the past, not the future.

 

[hazlnut]

The sea level is not where Hansen predicted. So it is a false prediction.

We need a new award for the most moronic statement of the year...

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

One of the people I despise most is people who deny global warming. It's basically claiming that capitalism came from communism

 

[hazlnut]

One of the people I despise most is people who deny global warming. It's basically claiming that capitalism came from communism

ptif219 is a far-rightie who basically regurgitates what he hears on Fox.

 

[OscarB63]

One of the people I despise most is people who deny global warming. It's basically claiming that capitalism came from communism

then you must despise all the global warming supporters...since they changed the name to "global climate change" when the data showed that the "warming" was not, in fact, global.

 

[hazlnut]

then you must despise all the global warming supporters...since they changed the name to "global climate change" when the data showed that the "warming" was not, in fact, global.

And here is another example of a far-rightie incapable of accepting real science over what his masters on Fox tell him...

 

[ptif219]

So what you're saying is that because one guy made one prediction wrong, all AGW theory is opinion and lies? Oi.
Ok, well, some guys used to think the earth was the center of the universe. Clearly all of astronomy is opinion and lies.



Holy **** you really can't read can you? This article is talking about the past, not the future.

ONE!!! Read the link he made many.

You have nothing and no predictions that are true. Climate change is natural and man can not change that. The Ozone hole is shrinking so carbon is not increasing it as your link claims. Another false prediction. What does the pat matter. If there is more carbon now why is it shrinking. Shows your link is wrong

 

[OscarB63]

And here is another example of a far-rightie incapable of accepting real science over what his masters on Fox tell him...

then why did the AGW crowd change their battle cry from "global warming" to "climate change"? why? because there are actually places in the world that have gotten colder.

I remember seeing, 5-6 years ago claims from AGW tards that sea level would rise by 2-3 feet by 2020 if we didn't do something to stop global warming NOW!!!!!!.... nearly halfway there and sea level is relatively the same as it was 5-6 years ago.

the antarctic iceshelves have not all broken off into the ocean and flooded the southern shipping lanes with ice bergs.

the icesheets on greenland and iceland are still there

the atlantic hurricane season has not dramatically worsened (in fact we are on a record 5 year run without a major hurricane on the US atlantic coast)

point out to me ONE single doom and gloom prediciton the AGWers made 5-6 years ago that has come to pass.

 

[ptif219]

We need a new award for the most moronic statement of the year...

Where is the sea levels Hansen predicted?

 

[ptif219]

One of the people I despise most is people who deny global warming. It's basically claiming that capitalism came from communism

Show me the predictions that have happened. Hansen one of the original GW propagandist has made wild predictions that have not happened. All fraud and a scam. Do we have warming? YES. It is climate change and natural not man made

 

[ptif219]

And here is another example of a far-rightie incapable of accepting real science over what his masters on Fox tell him...

Where has the predictions become fact?

 

[hazlnut]

then why, super genius, did the AGW crowd change their battle cry from "global warming" to "climate change"? why? because there are actually places in the world that have gotten colder.

Are you truly that misinformed about this issue??

Do you actually think there was a 'name change'? Who told you to believe that?

For as long as I've been following this issue, global warming is the cause of climate change. It's been that way for 20++ years. Some partisan hack has gotten into your head and taught you a very misleading talking point.

I remember seeing, 5-6 years ago claims from AGW tards that sea level would rise by 2-3 feet by 2020 if we didn't do something to stop global warming NOW!!!!!!.... nearly halfway there and sea level is relatively the same as it was 5-6 years ago.

We experienced the year of the hottest decade on record. Do your masters at Fox tell you that?

the antarctic iceshelves have not all broken off into the ocean and flooded the southern shipping lanes with ice bergs.

the icesheets on greenland and iceland are still there

Before you run your mouth, perhaps you should read up on what has happened...

Glaciers are Melting and Contributing to Sea Level Rise

the atlantic hurricane season has not dramatically worsened (in fact we are on a record 5 year run without a major hurricane on the US atlantic coast)

Again, repeating misinformation only makes you look stupid. I suggest reading up before posting.

DOES GLOBAL WARMING CAUSE HURRICANES?

point out to me ONE single doom and gloom prediciton the AGWers made 5-6 years ago that has come to pass.

Get back to me after you've gotten up to speed.

 

[Paschendale]

Question for those who want to claim global warming is a hoax. WHY would anyone make something like this up? Seriously. If there is no need to limit carbon emissions and greenhouse gases... why would someone start claiming there was? And why would the vast majority of the scientific community back them up? Long before climate change became a political issue. Why would scientists, who have worked tirelessly to ensure that their profession are seekers of truth, make something up? They don't make stuff up. Sometimes their hypotheses are wrong, sometimes their hypotheses are imprecise. But they don't make stuff up.

 

[OscarB63]

still no gloom and doom I see. the coastal cities remain unflooded. no somali children have spontaneously burst into flames.