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The Trump Disaster

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I know the Trumpettes are all proud of their candidate's lack of political experience. But, in a way, that is a bit like being proud that your dentist doesn't know squat about teeth.

Donald Trump is a candidate without a campaign – and it’s becoming a serious problem.

Republicans working to elect Trump describe a bare-bones effort debilitated by infighting, a lack of staff to carry out basic functions, minimal coordination with allies and a message that’s prisoner to Trump’s momentary whims.

“Bottom line, you can hire all the top people in the world, but to what end? Trump does what he wants,” a source close to the campaign said.

Donald Trump does not have a campaign | MSNBC

This campaign season is going to be a blast.
 

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I know the Trumpettes are all proud of their candidate's lack of political experience. But, in a way, that is a bit like being proud that your dentist doesn't know squat about teeth.



This campaign season is going to be a blast.

I heard a GOP "strategist" saying that Trumps people are "hogtied" by lack of staff and money and because EVERYTHING needs to be cleared by Trump himself. You can imagine that no one wants to make any decisions themselves because.....FIRED.
 

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I know the Trumpettes are all proud of their candidate's lack of political experience. But, in a way, that is a bit like being proud that your dentist doesn't know squat about teeth.



This campaign season is going to be a blast.

I think that the GOP could have fielded so many candidates who could have soundly beaten Hillary, and they put up Trump instead. It's like Bush's second term when America was all like "Anyone but Bush" and the DNC put up Kerry and America said "well....****".
 

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I have no problem electing a person to the office of President who has never held an elected office. But the person needs to know a lot more about the world than the average Joe Blow off the street. That is not Trump.
 

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I think that the GOP could have fielded so many candidates who could have soundly beaten Hillary, and they put up Trump instead. It's like Bush's second term when America was all like "Anyone but Bush" and the DNC put up Kerry and America said "well....****".

I admit it, I laughed...
 

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I heard a GOP "strategist" saying that Trumps people are "hogtied" by lack of staff and money and because EVERYTHING needs to be cleared by Trump himself. You can imagine that no one wants to make any decisions themselves because.....FIRED.

Imagine trying to run the government that way.
 

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I heard a GOP "strategist" saying that Trumps people are "hogtied" by lack of staff and money and because EVERYTHING needs to be cleared by Trump himself. You can imagine that no one wants to make any decisions themselves because.....FIRED.

:lol:
 

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Imagine trying to run the government that way.

We have several examples....just in those places "fired" means a firing squad or all expenses paid trip to Siberia.
 

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I think that the GOP could have fielded so many candidates who could have soundly beaten Hillary, and they put up Trump instead. It's like Bush's second term when America was all like "Anyone but Bush" and the DNC put up Kerry and America said "well....****".

Had the GOP nominated Kasich, he's be up on Hillary by 30 points by now. :)
 

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Had the GOP nominated Kasich, he's be up on Hillary by 30 points by now. :)

But that would have been the rational thing to do. The GOP doesn't seem to be embracing "rational" just now.
 

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I have no problem electing a person to the office of President who has never held an elected office. But the person needs to know a lot more about the world than the average Joe Blow off the street. That is not Trump.

I'm trying to think of someone who could pull that off, and I admit, the names do not just roll off the tongue. President is the ultimate job of political gamesmanship. Politics is the art of compromise, and the president has to be freaking Rembrandt.

I do not see someone who is not schooled in the ways of Washington doing well. A governor of a state is probably the best non-Washington option. At least they know how to delegate and work with all the contending interest groups. Could a CEO of a large corporation pull it off? Maybe. Could someone who is a micro-manager and quick to offend like Trump do it? I doubt it.

Trump's strength (and his weakness) is his brand. He's a love him or hate him sort of icon. The GOP candidates could have derailed him, but they feared pissing off his loyalists. Hillary (or any Democrat) has no such compunction. Those people would never vote for her anyway. The unraveling of Trump by the Democrats will be a piece of cake, IMO.
 

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I heard a GOP "strategist" saying that Trumps people are "hogtied" by lack of staff and money and because EVERYTHING needs to be cleared by Trump himself. You can imagine that no one wants to make any decisions themselves because.....FIRED.
Seems to be working out well for him. Had he listened to the experts and strategists, he'd never have gotten off the ground.
 

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I know the Trumpettes are all proud of their candidate's lack of political experience. But, in a way, that is a bit like being proud that your dentist doesn't know squat about teeth.



This campaign season is going to be a blast.

You mean, while Trump demonstrates extraction with a hammer?
 

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Yes, we do. Let's not follow those examples, though.

Good morning, Dittohead not! :2wave:

Why not? It could well be the answer to a lot of problems we're facing! :lamo
 

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Had the GOP nominated Kasich, he's be up on Hillary by 30 points by now. :)
Maybe the Democrats should have nominated him. They seem to be the only ones truly impressed by him.
 

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I think that the GOP could have fielded so many candidates who could have soundly beaten Hillary, and they put up Trump instead. It's like Bush's second term when America was all like "Anyone but Bush" and the DNC put up Kerry and America said "well....****".

I agree with your conclusion, but I don't see the GOP as the party to blame. The media made and promoted Trump from the moment he announced. The GOP tried to stop the media campaign, but were defenseless against the massive free media provided to Trump.

The media waged a brilliant campaign to boost Trump's profile while hiding Clinton in a closet and now that their two preferred candidates have the nomination, they will savage Trump and pimp for Clinton.

From a distance, it's almost comical how your media manipulates the "democratic" process and so few of you even recognize it happening.
 

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But that would have been the rational thing to do. The GOP doesn't seem to be embracing "rational" just now.
People should maybe stop saying 'The GOP'. Trump is NOT 'the GOP' candidate. 'The GOP' implies the party and Trump was not is not and never will be who the GOP wanted as a candidate. This debacle is on 'the people'.

And in that same breathe...the same thing can be said about Hillary...should she actually win the nomination, except that in her case it truly is 'the party' more than 'the people'.

I think most people (if they bother to vote) will vote ideology. My wife is a republican and she has agonized over this. Does she vote for Trump or does she vote for Johnson and hope that whoever actually gets elected can be held in check by the congress (by them you know...doing their job). At the end of the day the ONE qualifying factor that probably should drive EVERYONES vote should be who do you want nominating the next 2 and possibly 3 Supreme Court justices.
 

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I agree with your conclusion, but I don't see the GOP as the party to blame. The media made and promoted Trump from the moment he announced. The GOP tried to stop the media campaign, but were defenseless against the massive free media provided to Trump.

The media waged a brilliant campaign to boost Trump's profile while hiding Clinton in a closet and now that their two preferred candidates have the nomination, they will savage Trump and pimp for Clinton.

From a distance, it's almost comical how your media manipulates the "democratic" process and so few of you even recognize it happening.

So, you agree Republican voters are tools. :)
 

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People should maybe stop saying 'The GOP'. Trump is NOT 'the GOP' candidate. 'The GOP' implies the party and Trump was not is not and never will be who the GOP wanted as a candidate. This debacle is on 'the people'.

And in that same breathe...the same thing can be said about Hillary...should she actually win the nomination, except that in her case it truly is 'the party' more than 'the people'.

I think most people (if they bother to vote) will vote ideology. My wife is a republican and she has agonized over this. Does she vote for Trump or does she vote for Johnson and hope that whoever actually gets elected can be held in check by the congress (by them you know...doing their job). At the end of the day the ONE qualifying factor that probably should drive EVERYONES vote should be who do you want nominating the next 2 and possibly 3 Supreme Court justices.

Hillary has over 3 million more votes than the old socialist. It's not like she's losing the "people." She just can't pull in the stupid ones.
 

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Seems to be working out well for him. Had he listened to the experts and strategists, he'd never have gotten off the ground.

And that's kinda the point of electing a nominee.

Someone that is likely to garner support from a plurality of individuals so that you can win the Presidency.

Not to nominate someone whose only success during the primary is that he had a small group of insanely irrational supporters who held onto him long enough for the rest of the candidates to drop out and then forcing the rest of the Republicans to coalesce.
 

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Hillary has over 3 million more votes than the old socialist. It's not like she's losing the "people." She just can't pull in the stupid ones.
Oh, thats not fair. She has pulled in plenty of stupid ones.
 

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So, you agree Republican voters are tools. :)
Many are...and many more will vote blindly partisan. As will democrats. What...you think this country got this badly ****ed up on its own or just because of bad politicians? The parties may be driving the clown car but its the voters that keep tuning up and servicing the piece of ****.
 

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And that's kinda the point of electing a nominee.

Someone that is likely to garner support from a plurality of individuals so that you can win the Presidency.

Not to nominate someone whose only success during the primary is that he had a small group of insanely irrational supporters who held onto him long enough for the rest of the candidates to drop out and then forcing the rest of the Republicans to coalesce.
It's impossible to win a nomination with just a small group of insanely irrational supporters. Just ask Kasich or Sanders.
 
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