The tolerance and all inclusiveness of the left shines brightly

[Grim17]

Watch what happens when a reporter at a feminism conference announces that she works for a conservative media outlet:




Even putting inclusiveness issue aside, there is one thing that stands out about this and it's something that I see at pretty much every gathering of liberals when there is a reporter from a conservative media outlet.... It's not the hate they often show, or their attempts to have them removed from the gathering or event, it's fear they show both individually,as well as a group, to express their beliefs. They quickly spread the word to their fellow liberals so that nobody talks to them.

What are they affraid of?

I have always believed that if a person's ideology is honest, real and heart felt, and they truly believe the things they stand for and support, there is no question that they can't answer or have to run away from... no matter who is asking it. Yet time and time again at protests, union rallies, and liberal gatherings just like the one in the video, liberals are afraid to express their true feelings and beliefs to anyone in the media who isn't a political allie, on the very issues they are at those events to support in the first place.


I see the very same thing from time to time on this forum, where I get into a discussion with someone on the left and they will refuse to express their opinions or beliefs... It really speaks volumes about the validity of a persons political and ideological beliefs, when they refuse to answer simple questions and can't face scrutiny.

 

[instagramsci]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

 

[Hard Truth]

Could it be because so many conservative publications and writers remove essential context, lie and use every other possible technique to misrepresent liberal positions? The Shirley Sherrod situation is a typical example. I can think of many other examples that have been posted in these forums.

 

[instagramsci]

Could it be because so many conservative publications and writers remove essential context, lie and use every other possible technique to misrepresent liberal positions? The Shirley Sherrod situation is a typical example. I can think of many other examples that have been posted in these forums.

No but you see, it's okay because they're a conservative outlet. And conservative outlets are marginalized!

/s

 

[ocean515]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

Geeze. Completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? With that statement, I'm positive you don't know what that is.

 

[instagramsci]

Geeze. Completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? With that statement, I'm positive you don't know what that is.

I'm positive that I don't care that you think that you know what I know.

 

[ocean515]

I'm positive that I don't care that you think that you know what I know.

Well, I do know that you don't know what you think you know, since if you knew, you'd know better than to imply you know. Ya know?

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Geeze. Completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? With that statement, I'm positive you don't know what that is.

There is always someone who claims to know what someone else thinks and who are happy to tell you they are right and you are wrong about it.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

A minority in the right claims that all leftists are "bullies" and a minority int he left claims that all rightists are "racists". Another day more bull****.

 

[polgara]

Well, I do know that you don't know what you think you know, since if you knew, you'd know better than to imply you know. Ya know?

OMG, I actually understood what you said! Am I too far gone for rehab? :lamo:

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

 

[Anomalism]

A minority in the right claims that all leftists are "bullies" and a minority int he left claims that all rightists are "racists". Another day more bull****.

Divide and conquer.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

You can't confront liberalism with truth any more than you can confront a witch will a bucket of water. In either case all you end up is with shrieking as the video proves.

 

[soot]

...when there is a reporter from a conservative media outlet....it's fear they show...to express their beliefs.

Is that really all that very surprising?

I mean, a media outlet, or at least a reputable media outlet, should strive to be nonpartisan.

If we're talking about a media outlet that everyone knows to be of a hyper-partisan conservative bent it really isn't a media outlet anymore, so much as it's ideologically driven infotainment.

And why would anyone want to subject themselves to that?

As a liberal, you'd have to know that the "reporter" and the "media" outlet in question are going to be looking for any and every opportunity to drag your ideals and beliefs through the mud, and that you're going to voice your opinion and then they're (the "media") going to take the raw footage of what you said and hand it off to a team of researchers and analysts and editors who are going to be more interested in shooting holes in your story/position than they are with simply reporting what was said.

And lets face it, very few of us have an encyclopedic, eidetic memory to speak from off-the-cuff.

So the liberal will be speaking generally from memory and the conservative "media" outlet is going to run that person's memory through the Google and Lexis and Factiva, and a host of other research resources, and they're going to bounce it off the Constitution and the country's entire history of case law, and compare it to the opinions and positions of other liberals dating back to the Realignment.

And they're going to be looking for any small inconsistency, or anything less than a total mastery of ALL the facts and history related to an issue, and in so far as they're able they're going to derive some "gottcha" moment out of it and then THAT is going to become the story.

No thanks.

Now, mind you, I think the same thing probably applies to conservatives at conservative gatherings who are being hounded by reporters who are known to be from hyper-partisan liberal "media" outlets.

I doubt many intelligent conservatives would bother to give the time of day to a known contributing editor from the Daily Kos, and that if one was identified at a gathering of conservatives they'd spread the word that there was enemy in the wire.

I see the very same thing from time to time on this forum, where I get into a discussion with someone on the left and they will refuse to express their opinions or beliefs... It really speaks volumes about the validity of a persons political and ideological beliefs, when they refuse to answer simple questions and can't face scrutiny.

Frankly, that hasn't been my experience at all.

At least no more so than with conservative members of this community.

There are some on both sides of the divide who can't or won't defend their positions, and many, it would seem, have never heard that sometimes "it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

But I think the majority of members are more than willing to both state their opinion and defend it (at least the first couple of times they state it).

Frequently when anyone, on either side, just flat out refuses to defend a position it's because the fella who is questioning the opinion has been questioning that opinion for the past three years and these folks have enough of a history that rehashing old arguments becomes trite; more an exercise in banging one's head against the wall then anything approximating a legitimate conversation.

And for what it's worth, I think most folks around here do a fair to middlin' job of defending their positions.

I don't always agree with why people think what they do and, sure, there are a couple of members on either side (and even a handful in the middle) who are just straight idiots, but I think most people around here have a better-than-average understanding of both politics and political history.

 

[instagramsci]

You can't confront liberalism with truth any more than you can confront a witch will a bucket of water. In either case all you end up is with shrieking as the video proves.

Can you teach me how to make bad analogies like you?

 

[ocean515]

There is always someone who claims to know what someone else thinks and who are happy to tell you they are right and you are wrong about it.

Exactly:

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
Herbert Spencer

 

[Grim17]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

This was the media... The reporter did not ask loaded questions or express opposition to their movement. Until the reporter disclosed that she worked for a conservative media outlet, the women were more than happy to express their beliefs... But the minute they learned that she wasn't with a typical "liberal" media outlet, an allie, they went into alert mode...

Let's be honest here... You know as well as I why they clam up. It's because unlike the liberal media who will edit out anything they express about their beliefs that would shock main stream Americans, and/or reflect poorly on their cause and make them look foolish. A conservative outlet will actually allow their words and beliefs to stand on their own merit. They aren't there to make them and their cause look good or look bad, just to report the truth of what their cause is all about. The liberal media will edit out the hate, the lack of tolerance, and the closed minded foolishness, where the conservative media will show them and their cause exactly as they themselves present it. That's not a good thing and they know it.

Just look at the hundreds of videos from liberal protests, the Occupy gatherings, college auditoriums, campus gatherings, the Wisconsin protest, union events, and the various liberal events that have taken place over the last 5 to 10 years... When they express themselves in front of the cameras unfiltered, it can be quite damning and negatively effect public perception of liberalism and their causes.

 

[instagramsci]

This was the media... The reporter did not ask loaded questions or express opposition to their movement. Until the reporter disclosed that she worked for a conservative media outlet, the women were more than happy to express their beliefs... But the minute they learned that she wasn't with a typical "liberal" media outlet, an allie, they went into alert mode...

Why not? With the history conservative media has chopping and misrepresenting footage I wouldn't talk to them either.

Let's be honest here... You know as well as I why they clam up. It's because unlike the liberal media who will edit out anything they express about their beliefs that would shock main stream Americans, and/or reflect poorly on their cause and make them look foolish. A conservative outlet will actually allow their words and beliefs to stand on their own merit. They aren't there to make them and their cause look good or look bad, just to report the truth of what their cause is all about. The liberal media will edit out the hate, the lack of tolerance, and the closed minded foolishness, where the conservative media will show them and their cause exactly as they themselves present it. That's not a good thing and they know it.

What do you think at one of these conferences would shock mainstream americans? I'm curious

Just look at the hundreds of videos from liberal protests, the Occupy gatherings, college auditoriums, campus gatherings, the Wisconsin protest, union events, and the various liberal events that have taken place over the last 5 to 10 years... When they express themselves in front of the cameras unfiltered, it can be quite damning and negatively effect public perception of liberalism and their causes.

This is hardly a "liberal" thing.

 

[Monserrat]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

You can't be a conservative and in favor of equal rights for all?

 

[US Conservative]

The left demonstrates once again its intolerance of ideological diversity. It happens so often as to not even be considered remarkable anymore.

 

[Hicup]

Watch what happens when a reporter at a feminism conference announces that she works for a conservative media outlet:




Even putting inclusiveness issue aside, there is one thing that stands out about this and it's something that I see at pretty much every gathering of liberals when there is a reporter from a conservative media outlet.... It's not the hate they often show, or their attempts to have them removed from the gathering or event, it's fear they show both individually,as well as a group, to express their beliefs. They quickly spread the word to their fellow liberals so that nobody talks to them.

What are they affraid of?

I have always believed that if a person's ideology is honest, real and heart felt, and they truly believe the things they stand for and support, there is no question that they can't answer or have to run away from... no matter who is asking it. Yet time and time again at protests, union rallies, and liberal gatherings just like the one in the video, liberals are afraid to express their true feelings and beliefs to anyone in the media who isn't a political allie, on the very issues they are at those events to support in the first place.


I see the very same thing from time to time on this forum, where I get into a discussion with someone on the left and they will refuse to express their opinions or beliefs... It really speaks volumes about the validity of a persons political and ideological beliefs, when they refuse to answer simple questions and can't face scrutiny.

Today's feminism is for ugly chicks with cropped hair and bordering on lesbianism. Translation, a bunch of chicks that are not popular so they associate with other unpopular ugly awkward chicks.


Tim-

 

[Fearandloathing]

Watch what happens when a reporter at a feminism conference announces that she works for a conservative media outlet:




Even putting inclusiveness issue aside, there is one thing that stands out about this and it's something that I see at pretty much every gathering of liberals when there is a reporter from a conservative media outlet.... It's not the hate they often show, or their attempts to have them removed from the gathering or event, it's fear they show both individually,as well as a group, to express their beliefs. They quickly spread the word to their fellow liberals so that nobody talks to them.

What are they affraid of?

I have always believed that if a person's ideology is honest, real and heart felt, and they truly believe the things they stand for and support, there is no question that they can't answer or have to run away from... no matter who is asking it. Yet time and time again at protests, union rallies, and liberal gatherings just like the one in the video, liberals are afraid to express their true feelings and beliefs to anyone in the media who isn't a political allie, on the very issues they are at those events to support in the first place.


I see the very same thing from time to time on this forum, where I get into a discussion with someone on the left and they will refuse to express their opinions or beliefs... It really speaks volumes about the validity of a persons political and ideological beliefs, when they refuse to answer simple questions and can't face scrutiny.

Except for the use of the term "liberal" I agree. It was a strange phenomenon I encountered as a political journalist. While the Conservatives in Canada are accepting of the left-leaning, liberal media, the further left you go, the more even the center is hated.

In this case, they are rejecting a PERSON based on a perceived concept that anyone with a differing view absolutely MUST be wrong, and therefor bad. As a budding young reporter, left leaning, I found this disturbing; it was too easy to offend. One one occasion I had free lanced an essay to the Financial Time, obviously NOT socialist propaganda which ran in conjunction with a detailed review of their election promises. They wanted to ban me from the campaign, and my main job was senior political correspondent for a national news service.

Even more strange is the fact this thinking is most prevalent in the one domain that calls for open dialogue on all topics, ideology, philosophy, mathematics, science and especially the humanities; institutions of higher learning.

I have never seen anything positive come out of rejecting an idea unheard, and less from rejecting the PERSON with the weird idea.....from the hoola hoop to the PC to Windows, to CD's and the cel phone, Starbucks' and Fedex, to even weirder stuff like drug treatment, foster homes, etc. that was at one time an idea that would get you laughed out of college.

They're afraid of not fitting in.

 

[Mason66]

Today's feminism is for ugly chicks with cropped hair and bordering on lesbianism. Translation, a bunch of chicks that are not popular so they associate with other unpopular ugly awkward chicks.


Tim-

As I watched the video I had the same thought, but not only about the women.

It looks like this girl should be glad to be excluded from the human rejects at that meeting. The lack of intelligence was staggering.

I also thought that the left from Obama on down have succeeded in demonizing the right/conservatives to a point that they are shunned at events like this.

If the adults aren't allowed to take over control of the country again, it will close up shop for good.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

I thought main stream feminist wanted women to have freedom to choose, silly me.

 

[pbrauer]

Watch what happens when a reporter at a feminism conference announces that she works for a conservative media outlet:




Even putting inclusiveness issue aside, there is one thing that stands out about this and it's something that I see at pretty much every gathering of liberals when there is a reporter from a conservative media outlet.... It's not the hate they often show, or their attempts to have them removed from the gathering or event, it's fear they show both individually,as well as a group, to express their beliefs. They quickly spread the word to their fellow liberals so that nobody talks to them.

What are they affraid of?

I have always believed that if a person's ideology is honest, real and heart felt, and they truly believe the things they stand for and support, there is no question that they can't answer or have to run away from... no matter who is asking it. Yet time and time again at protests, union rallies, and liberal gatherings just like the one in the video, liberals are afraid to express their true feelings and beliefs to anyone in the media who isn't a political allie, on the very issues they are at those events to support in the first place.


I see the very same thing from time to time on this forum, where I get into a discussion with someone on the left and they will refuse to express their opinions or beliefs... It really speaks volumes about the validity of a persons political and ideological beliefs, when they refuse to answer simple questions and can't face scrutiny.

:lamo You are too mucking fuch Grim, these are college kids, what hell do you expect? Why would they want a bunch of conservatives around them when they are just going to make fun of them? Look these young ladies don't want them around, so why don't they just leave and go home? Thanks for the laughs.

 

[Wessexman]

Conservatism is completely opposed to what mainstream feminism aims to accomplish? Is this news to you?

Why should they tolerate something in their conference completely antithetical to their movement?

This is not true, unfortunately. It may be less entangled with radical feminism than the left, but mainstream conservatism is hardly a bastion for out and out anti-feminism.