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steen said:What do you mean with "missing facts"? And are you now talking about all of science?
untrue. You are making an outright misrepresentation.
No, it depends on wheter you provide a honest representation of science or whether you deliberately misrepresent science in order to push the politics of your faith.
No, it depends on wheter you provide a honest representation of science or whether you deliberately misrepresent science in order to push the politics of your faith.
Slantedfacts said:honest representation?? There are NO conclusive facts to prove that evolution is correct.
Show me the EXACT transformation with NO missing links.
Slantedfacts said:in simple logic - a missing link is JUST THAT "Missing" - no matter how bad you want it to be true - it falls short of being the TOTAL TRUTH!
Slantedfacts said:Ya' wanna know what the stupidity of all this REALLY is?
I personally have said something in the effect that Bible and Science are saying the same thing in different words - but the Bible (which you apparently lack enough knowledge in) is totally wrong to you!
Slantedfacts said:One suggestion - just remember - Science is NOT infallible!
your claim is false. Every research study in this field shows specific examples of Evolution. It is a conclusive fact that Evolution happens.Slantedfacts said:honest representation?? There are NO conclusive facts to prove that evolution is correct.
Well, there are several examples. Mr Fungus came up with one. Here is the documentation (incl. the specific mutation) of another one:Show me the EXACT transformation with NO missing links.
Rather, itshows your incredible ignorance. Just because creationists claim there is a 'missing link" doesn't mean that it is missing. The example from Mr. Fungus and I clearly gives examples without any intermediaries missing, f.ex.in simple logic - a missing link is JUST THAT "Missing" - no matter how bad you want it to be true - it falls short of being the TOTAL TRUTH!
That you are making remarks that have nothing to do with evolution or are so irrelevant that they don't disprove evolution, your bizarre misrepresentation/misperception none withstanding. Like your ongoing yammering about a "Missing link." How does that disprove Evolution?Ya' wanna know what the stupidity of all this REALLY is?
And that is kind of true, yes. That doesn’t mean that your misrepresenting Evolution is valid, though.I personally have said something in the effect that Bible and Science are saying the same thing in different words
Really? What makes you come up with that unsubstantiated weird claim?but the Bible (which you apparently lack enough knowledge in)
No, it isn't. Stop lying about me.is totally wrong to you!
Never claimed it was. But you making false claims about science or spouting misrepresentations about evolution that only serves to show how incredibly ignorant you are about this, THAT doesn't show any science infallibility.One suggestion - just remember - Science is NOT infallible!
I think that we should just refuse to reply to these kinds of posts until they go back and read the rest of the thread, and maybe find out...you know... what words mean, like: science, biology, evolution, data, evidence, faith, ect.Slantedfacts said:About this comment:
honest representation?? There are NO conclusive facts to prove that evolution is correct.
Show me the EXACT transformation with NO missing links.
in simple logic - a missing link is JUST THAT "Missing" - no matter how bad you want it to be true - it falls short of being the TOTAL TRUTH!
Ya' wanna know what the stupidity of all this REALLY is?
I personally have said something in the effect that Bible and Science are saying the same thing in different words - but the Bible (which you apparently lack enough knowledge in) is totally wrong to you!
One suggestion - just remember - Science is NOT infallible!
-Demosthenes- said:I think that we should just refuse to reply to these kinds of posts until they go back and read the rest of the thread, and maybe find out...you know... what words mean, like: science, biology, evolution, data, evidence, faith, ect.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Ever heard of the law of thermodynamics? Well LAw>Theory.
Second do you realize that preaching evolution is a violation of church and state? That since athieism is a considered religion, that anything associated with athiests beliefs (evolution) have to be banned from public schools. So really evolution being allowed in the schools is a reason for why intelligent design should be put in schools. If one religion is given the abilty to have their own views in a school, and the others not, then this is even worse because it is state sponsored religion. So in order to be fair, and follow the constitution you must allow intelligent design.
Did you also know that you assume something is normaly true if there is no counter evidence. If I cannot prove that I am not purple, then logically you have to believe I am purple because all other colors are ruled out. The same can be said of god, and intelligent design. If you cant in any way disprove intelligent design or god then logically all that is left is that they exsist. I can disprove evolution, by pointing out that 1. it breaks laws with a theory. 2. never explains the eye. I dont know if this has been discussed yet, but the eye is the main thing that evolution cant answer. Evolution is based on the fact that things jump because of a survival of the fittest, such as my arms getting longer in each generation, which will lead to many bonuses to me, allowing that trait to be inbred and used in my species creating a line of DNA of long arms. However look at A. the eye. B. the brain. C. any complex organ. Now how did these come about. Did I have a mirror for my eye and that helped me, or what about a nerve ending to my eye, or the lens, or any part of a complex structure (remeber evolution relies on a slow change through the eons. It cant just be one day my baby is born with an eye, it requires generations of a slow process) if the mirror didnt help me than it would be bred out, because according to theory non-good traits will be bred out. So in order for evolutionist to explain the eye they will have to explain how we got it through evolution. For example if we used the theory of evolution to build a building with the trait to keep us warm, then when we poor the foundation, it would in no way help us keep warm and therefore would be "bred out". However when building buildings we use intelligent design, we look at it and see that it may not keep us warm, but we realize that the final product will, so we continue to build. This is what intelligent design is, that a higher being dictated the eye be created, when he was at a mirror he didnt give up, like evolution would have, he continued to build over the eons. Evolution cant explain anything, case closed evolution is disproven leaving only one other way, and as stated this means we have to use Intelligent design because all other ways have been disproven (purple analogy).
Arwww, HELL. Are you on this subject as well? It must be a curse. I did something wrong in my former life and now I am being punished by posters who spew falsehoods as if they believe them. SIGH!Party_Of_Lincoln said:Ever heard of the law of thermodynamics? Well LAw>Theory.
Damn, we have a real comedian here, a real :joke:Second do you realize that preaching evolution is a violation of church and state?
This got to be one of the dumbest claims ever made here? Anybody care to put it to a vote? This joker is saying that science is atheistic, isn't he?That since athieism is a considered religion, that anything associated with athiests beliefs (evolution)
I love it when you are sarcastic:lol:Donkey1499 said:Thanks for the wisdom. It's appreciated.
steen said:I love it when you are sarcastic:lol:
You weren't sarcastic?:shock:Donkey1499 said:I wasn't being sarcastic. Even though I only read half of what Lincoln-Person wrote, cuz I got bored.
steen said:You weren't sarcastic?:shock:
That crap about law>theory? Come on now.
OH GAWD, not you to? You MUST know that there is a huge difference in Science between a LAW and a THEORY and that they are not ranked like you claim they are? You MUST know this, right? Do you KNOW what the Scientific Method is? Your claim is essentially saying that just about all science is invalid. You REALLY need to reconsider your claim here.Donkey1499 said:Well, a law is greater than a theory cuz it's been proven. A theory is just an idea/hypothesis written on paper that can be used to wipe your ass if it's wrong.
steen said:OH GAWD, not you to? You MUST know that there is a huge difference in Science between a LAW and a THEORY and that they are not ranked like you claim they are? You MUST know this, right? Do you KNOW what the Scientific Method is? Your claim is essentially saying that just about all science is invalid. You REALLY need to reconsider your claim here.
In Science, a law has not been "proven," no. It merely is a fixed mathematical relationship that always sofar have been found to be the same. You guys really need to cease displaying so much ignorance.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:If I cannot prove that I am not purple, then logically you have to believe I am purple because all other colors are ruled out.
MrFungus420 said:It's a nice thought, but then he would just assume that he won.
Donkey1499 said:So the law of gravity isn't proven? I'm not a scientist, so it doesn't matter to me. All I know is that if I let go of a hammer, it's gonna hit my foot, resulting in agonizing pain that may last for minutes. I only got Cs and Bs in Science. So no, I don't know the difference. Happy now? Direct me to a site where I can aquire this knowledge.
Corect. It merely is a fixed relationship between force and acceleration. There is no 'proof," only empirical observation.Donkey1499 said:So the law of gravity isn't proven?
NO KIDDING?I'm not a scientist, so it doesn't matter to me.
Ah, but now you are talking about the Scientific THEORY of Gravity. Whan you talk about the LAW of Gravity, then it is a fixed numerical relationship, nothing else. You obviously have no clue about the difference of the terminology here, merely trying for your own ignorant misrepresentation based solely on what you WANT it to be, right?All I know is that if I let go of a hammer, it's gonna hit my foot, resulting in agonizing pain that may last for minutes.
High School science textbook should do the trick. Otherwise, here are some good sites that are easy to read, on the Scientific method, explaining some of this:Direct me to a site where I can aquire this knowledge.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Ever heard of the law of thermodynamics? Well LAw>Theory.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Second do you realize that preaching evolution is a violation of church and state? That since athieism is a considered religion,
Party_Of_Lincoln said:that anything associated with athiests beliefs (evolution) have to be banned from public schools. So really evolution being allowed in the schools is a reason for why intelligent design should be put in schools. If one religion is given the abilty to have their own views in a school, and the others not, then this is even worse because it is state sponsored religion. So in order to be fair, and follow the constitution you must allow intelligent design.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Did you also know that you assume something is normaly true if there is no counter evidence. If I cannot prove that I am not purple, then logically you have to believe I am purple because all other colors are ruled out.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:The same can be said of god, and intelligent design. If you cant in any way disprove intelligent design or god then logically all that is left is that they exsist.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:I can disprove evolution, by pointing out that 1. it breaks laws with a theory.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:2. never explains the eye. I dont know if this has been discussed yet, but the eye is the main thing that evolution cant answer.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Evolution is based on the fact that things jump because of a survival of the fittest, such as my arms getting longer in each generation, which will lead to many bonuses to me, allowing that trait to be inbred and used in my species creating a line of DNA of long arms. However look at A. the eye.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:B. the brain.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:C. any complex organ.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Now how did these come about. Did I have a mirror for my eye and that helped me, or what about a nerve ending to my eye, or the lens, or any part of a complex structure (remeber evolution relies on a slow change through the eons. It cant just be one day my baby is born with an eye, it requires generations of a slow process) if the mirror didnt help me than it would be bred out, because according to theory non-good traits will be bred out. So in order for evolutionist to explain the eye they will have to explain how we got it through evolution.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:For example if we used the theory of evolution to build a building with the trait to keep us warm, then when we poor the foundation, it would in no way help us keep warm and therefore would be "bred out".
Party_Of_Lincoln said:However when building buildings we use intelligent design, we look at it and see that it may not keep us warm, but we realize that the final product will, so we continue to build. This is what intelligent design is, that a higher being dictated the eye be created, when he was at a mirror he didnt give up, like evolution would have, he continued to build over the eons.
Party_Of_Lincoln said:Evolution cant explain anything, case closed
Party_Of_Lincoln said:evolution is disproven leaving only one other way,
Party_Of_Lincoln said:and as stated this means we have to use Intelligent design because all other ways have been disproven (purple analogy).
MrFungus420 said:I'm familiar with it, are you? It is moot to the point of evolution. The laws of thermodynamics apply to closed systems. The earth is not a closed system. The Sun gives us a continuous input of energy. That energy is what drives life. The majority of he energy released by the Sun disapates into space, reducing the overall amount of energy available, per the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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