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So I take it not to many are up on General Votel who BO has chosen.....Most Army knows him. As do the Seals.
Do you think BO will do to him.....what he did to Gen. Petraeus?
Im not ex military but I will need to do some reading up on him. Is it wrong to say Im skeptical of anything Obama supports at this point?
You're not going to find much about Gen. Votel. He seemed not to have made waves during his career, no notable quotes are known and no distinguished combat awards but was awarded the Officers Good Conduct Medal aka Bronze Star. :lol:
Question is, he has all of sudden moved up the ranks very quickly and quietly.
Lets hope he's not a yes-man.
Nobody on the military blogs and forums websites have commented much because nobody really knows the guy.
One comment I did read, "Maybe Votel is good at retreating ?" since Obama approved.
Lets just hope that Gen. Joseph Votel is not another Obama yes-man who will put his career above country ?
You're not going to find much about Gen. Votel. He seemed not to have made waves during his career, no notable quotes are known and no distinguished combat awards but was awarded the Officers Good Conduct Medal aka Bronze Star. :lol:
Question is, he has all of sudden moved up the ranks very quickly and quietly.
Lets hope he's not a yes-man.
Nobody on the military blogs and forums websites have commented much because nobody really knows the guy.
One comment I did read, "Maybe Votel is good at retreating ?" since Obama approved.
Lets just hope that Gen. Joseph Votel is not another Obama yes-man who will put his career above country ?
It is fairly easy to see why he is not a very public figure. Look where he spent most of his career. Who the hell cares if he has not made any notable quotes, quotes do not a good leader make. The units he has spent a lot of time in are not the big speech dog and pony type units. So no surprise there.
Also the units that make up JSOC are not really known for retreating.
With that said don't really know much about him and time will tell if he is a good fit to lead SOCOM. It is a very big organization with lots of cultures and political implications involved.
Well we already know what Obama does to leaders who aren't yes men.
It is fairly easy to see why he is not a very public figure. Look where he spent most of his career. Who the hell cares if he has not made any notable quotes, quotes do not a good leader make. The units he has spent a lot of time in are not the big speech dog and pony type units. So no surprise there.
Also the units that make up JSOC are not really known for retreating.
With that said don't really know much about him and time will tell if he is a good fit to lead SOCOM. It is a very big organization with lots of cultures and political implications involved.
Im not ex military but I will need to do some reading up on him. Is it wrong to say Im skeptical of anything Obama supports at this point?
Refresh my memory aren't you a Ranger?
How is he going to be used to the benefit to the US here at home?
Mornin' USC. :2wave: Nah.....I wouldn't say you are wrong to be skeptical. All one need do is look how BO played General Petraeus. What BO did to McChrystal. Still I see that Votel has been fast tracked. Which.....I can't say that is all due to BO. Could be the Army wants one up in Command to know what the hell they are doing.....since it is Clear BO's other Choices will screw up and we may have to play with whatever handicaps they leave us with.
Also it is like Apache has said.....BO has purged the military of those that can handle the heat and has politicized the Military and All their top Commanders. Worrying about what they are getting away with and what laws they break. Not only that.....but he has placed us on the Defensive to respond and Cost us plenty of money. All which will need to be undone.
Anything he touched with the Military.....needs to be overturned and all EO's By BO rescinded. First thing the Republicans should do. Then make Sure most junior grade Officers coming in aren't about just playing Citizen Soldier. If they are.....run their ass out.
Nope not a Ranger. My MOS is 18C.
The military is not used to it. A sexually groping general gets dismissed, an admiral commanding nuclear weapons and who uses fake poker chips gets called to account, a four-star who criticized the White House in a media interview gets retired instead of court martialed as would have happened in WWII.
You left out the Marine colonel who was forced to resign his commision because he told a gay Marine officer that he was acting gay.
Thanks for the reminder.
He's one of many dinosaurs still serving in your father's military so it's up to each or any of us to pick our favorite case. I choose to provide the website below, the previously untold one by Walter Brasch.
My view is that civilian law does not necessarily or even sometimes desirably apply to military life or to the UCMJ itself. Col Merna was required to resign because he created a "hostile work environment" which when chronic is a viable reason for termination in the normal every day civilian environment, but which need not necessarily apply to military life in the combat arms especially. It's well recognized war is a pretty hostile environment so our society should have different expectations of its combat forces than it has of even support units of the military.
Hell, Islamic terrorists who happen to be gay still have to skulk off in secret to get it on under their laws and attitudes.
Senate: Gays Can Serve Openly in Military
The U.S. Senate voted 65 to 31 today (Dec. 18, 2010) to repeal the Don't Ask, Don't Tell act, sending President Obama legislation to overturn the policy and allow gays to serve openly in the military.
Senate: Gays Can Serve Openly in Military
Gay Military Signal 070327Brasch
Gen Votel btw spent a lot of time during the Bush administration with only that one star on his shoulder. Gen Votel makes clear he will emphasize research and development into stand-off detection and neutralization of chemical and biological weapons. "We will only have very limited opportunity to get that one right when the situation is presented to us by violent extremists organizations and others [who] continue to exert a desire to acquire these types of weapons. So our ability to detect and neutralize them effectively will be a key piece for our country.”
I would note that Gen Votel's promotion to four-star and nomination to command SOCOM was made simultaneously with the appointment of Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. John Campbell to command the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, and of Navy Adm. Bill Gortney to head the US Northern Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command.
Gen Campbell is former CG of the 101st AD and had said the withdrawal from Afghanistan is “going to be very tough — very different from Iraq. The level of violence isn’t the same drawing out of Afghanistan as it was in Iraq.” While commander of the 101st Gen Campbell oversaw the withdrawal from Eastern Afghanistan while simultaneously continuing to engage the enemy.
New Leaders Tapped for ISAF, SOCOM and NORAD | Defense News | defensenews.com
First of all, my fathers military just not won battles but won wars.
BTW: The mission of the U.S. military is all about creating a hostile work eviorment. Now I know many liberals think that the military is for social engineering and it should be looked upon as a job not as duty to country of killing people and winning wars.
President Truman, the same President that allowed China to go RED fired a five star general and the military veterans of WW ll decided Truman was no longer fit to be CnC. The Democrats paid the price in 1952 and America put a five star general in the White House.
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