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The Swedish experiment of doing remarkably little about Covid-19

COMPARE: Which countries in Europe have the strictest Covid-19 Christmas rules?
COMPARE: Which countries in Europe have the strictest Covid-19 Christmas rules? - The Local

Governments around Europe are imposing new restrictions to prevent a surge in Covid-19 infections over Christmas, but some countries will have tighter rules than others during the festive season.

Sweden - Recommendations rather than rules but 'everyone must follow them'


Sweden’s national coronavirus recommendations for the Christmas and New Year period came into effect on December 14th.
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The Sweden’s coronavirus recommendations for Christmas and New Year have been tightened, but less than in other European countries. Beside these recommendations are not legally enforced. The individuals are responsible for their own decisions. That is the way that democratic countries shall behave.
 
The Sweden’s coronavirus recommendations for Christmas and New Year have been tightened, but less than in other European countries. Beside these recommendations are not legally enforced.
Guess what? The result is that Sweden is doing worse than the rest of the EU.

The number of new cases per day are soaring in Sweden, while dropping in the rest of the EU.

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In other words, we can see how the virus spreads faster when a government doesn't do its job properly, and doesn't have sufficient restrictions.


The individuals are responsible for their own decisions. That is the way that democratic countries shall behave.
Nope, that's just bullshit.

This is not a situation where the individual making the choices bears all of the risk. In a pandemic, the choices one person makes can impact others. You can spread the virus to your family, your friends, to total strangers.

That is why the nations -- including many democratic nations, like Taiwan and South Korea and New Zealand -- that prepared for this type of situation, and locked down early, and intelligently managed their restrictions, have very low case counts.

It is abundantly clear, in nations all over the world, that we cannot rely on individual choices to halt the virus.
 
Guess what? The result is that Sweden is doing worse than the rest of the EU.

The number of new cases per day are soaring in Sweden, while dropping in the rest of the EU.
The statistics of worldometer contradict your statements. Looks that you too the wrong boat.
 

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Guess what? The result is that Sweden is doing worse than the rest of the EU.

The number of new cases per day are soaring in Sweden, while dropping in the rest of the EU.
The statistics of worldometer contradict your statements. Looks that you took the wrong boat, but still there is time to jump ship.
 
Don't be Too Quick to Judge Sweden's Covid-19 Policy
Don't be Too Quick to Judge Sweden's Covid-19 Policy - IEEE Spectrum

The Nordic country has taken an approach all its own, but it's too soon to tell whether it's right or wrong

By Vaclav Smil

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Passengers pack a Stockholm subway car in early December 2020, when new cases of Covid-19 were peaking

In 2008, I concluded that the next major pandemic would arrive before 2021. The very year after this forecast saw a minor event—involving the H1N1 influenza virus—but the 2019 pandemic obviously qualifies as a major global outbreak.

This was no remarkable feat of forecasting, just a simple recognition that pandemics reappear rather frequently. A regrettable corollary is that we remain repeatedly unprepared for their spread and that we mismanage our responses on truly grand scales. But this does not prevent people from making simplistic judgments.

Sweden’s response to the COVID-19 virus is a perfect example of this habit. The response has not been decided by politicians, it has not involved major adjustments, and all key decisions have been left to the state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, who has relied on appealing to his compatriots to behave responsibly.
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The numbers of death per one million of population on January 8, 2021, were lower in Sweden than in many Western European countries and the U.S.

Coronavirus update January 8 link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Comparison of Sweden with some E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death, updated on January 8 by worldometer.

Place----------Population in MM----------Death in K----------Death/1M pop
Sweden--------------10.1------------------------9.3--------------------914------% of death
Belgium-------------11.6-----------------------19.9------------------1716----------47 lower
Spain----------------46.7------------------------51.7-----------------1105----------17
Italy------------------60.5-----------------------77.3------------------1279----------29
UK-------------------67.8-----------------------78.5------------------1153----------21
France---------------65.2-----------------------66.8------------------1023----------11

Switzerland--------- 8.7-------------------------8.2--------------------941-----------3

Austria---------------9.0-------------------------6.6--------------------727----------11 higher
Netherlands--------17.1------------------------12.1--------------------704----------13

All the countries above have strict virus polices, except for Sweden that has a more relax one.

Comparison of Sweden with some U.S. States with strict lockdowns.

Place----------Population in MM----------Death in K---------Death/1M pop

Sweden--------------10.1----------------------9.3--------------------914------% of death

USA---------------- 332--------------------374.1--------------------1127--------19 lower

New York-----------19.5---------------------39.1-------------------2012---------55
New Jersey----------8.9---------------------19.7-------------------2223---------59
Michigan-----------10.0----------------------8.8-------------------1389---------44
Pennsylvania-------12.8---------------------17.3-------------------1349---------42
Illinois--------------12.7---------------------18.9-------------------1495---------39

So far Sweden has been more successful with its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic than many of the E.U. countries and U.S. states above with strict lockdowns.
 
Sweden reports lower COVID-19 ICU rates than rest of Europe
COVID-19 Scan for Feb 02, 2021 | CIDRAP (umn.edu)

CIDRAP Center for Infectious Disease Research and policy
Feb 1, 2021

Mortality rates in Swedish intensive care units (ICUs) were lower during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic compared with other European countries, according to a new study in the European Journal of Anaesthesiology.

As in other countries, mortality in Sweden from COVID-19 was driven by several predictable factors: age, severity of disease, and the presence of organ failure. But unlike other countries, Sweden did not commit to a society-wide lockdown during the first wave of the pandemic.

"Coupled with what is widely perceived to be a 'relaxed' national pandemic strategy, results for ICU care in Sweden are understandably under scrutiny," the authors said in a European Society of Anaesthesiology and Intensive Care (ESAIC) press release.
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Not only COVID-19 intensive care (ICU) mortality rate in Sweden has been lower compare to other European countries. But the number of death per one million of population are lower in Sweden than in many Western European countries and the U.S.

Comparison of Sweden with some E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death, updated on February 4 by worldometer.

Place----------Population in MM------Death in K---Tot Cases K/1M pop----Death/1M pop
Sweden--------------10.1-------------------12.0-------------57.7-------------------1187----%
Belgium-------------11.6-------------------21.2-------------61.7-------------------1826----54 higher
Spain----------------46.7--------------------60.4------------62.3--------------------1291-----9 “
Italy------------------60.5-------------------90.2------------43.0--------------------1494----26 “
UK-------------------67.8-------------------78.5-------------57.2--------------------1619----36 “
France---------------65.2-------------------77.6-------------49.7--------------------1187----- 0
Switzerland--------- -8.7---------------------9.6-------------61.0--------------------1099-----8 lower
Austria---------------9.0---------------------7.9-------------46.5----------------------878-----35 “
Netherlands--------17.1--------------------14.2-------------57.9----------------------830-----42 “

All the countries above have strict virus polices, except for Sweden that has a more relax one.

Comparison of Sweden with some U.S. States with strict lockdowns.

Place----------Population in MM-------Death in K---Tot Cases K/1M pop ----Death/1M pop
Sweden-------------10.1-------------------12.0------------57.7--------------------1187------%
USA---------------332.0------------------462.3-------------81.8-------------------1392------17 higher
New York----------19.5--------------------44.3-------------89.8--------------------2276------92 “
New Jersey----------8.9--------------------21.7-------------79.5-------------------2442-----206 “
Michigan-----------10.0--------------------15.6-------------61.7-------------------1566------32 “
Pennsylvania-------12.8--------------------22.2-------------67.4-------------------1734------46 “
Illinois--------------12.7--------------------21.5-------------89.8--------------------1696-----43 “

So far Sweden has been more successful with its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic than many of the E.U. countries and U.S. states above with strict lockdowns.
 
Not only COVID-19 intensive care (ICU) mortality rate in Sweden has been lower compare to other European countries. But the number of death per one million of population are lower in Sweden than in many Western European countries and the U.S.

Comparison of Sweden with some E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death, updated on February 4 by worldometer.

Place----------Population in MM------Death in K---Tot Cases K/1M pop----Death/1M pop
Sweden--------------10.1-------------------12.0-------------57.7-------------------1187----%
Belgium-------------11.6-------------------21.2-------------61.7-------------------1826----54 higher
Spain----------------46.7--------------------60.4------------62.3--------------------1291-----9 “
Italy------------------60.5-------------------90.2------------43.0--------------------1494----26 “
UK-------------------67.8-------------------78.5-------------57.2--------------------1619----36 “
France---------------65.2-------------------77.6-------------49.7--------------------1187----- 0
Switzerland--------- -8.7---------------------9.6-------------61.0--------------------1099-----8 lower
Austria---------------9.0---------------------7.9-------------46.5----------------------878-----35 “
Netherlands--------17.1--------------------14.2-------------57.9----------------------830-----42 “

All the countries above have strict virus polices, except for Sweden that has a more relax one.

Comparison of Sweden with some U.S. States with strict lockdowns.

Place----------Population in MM-------Death in K---Tot Cases K/1M pop ----Death/1M pop
Sweden-------------10.1-------------------12.0------------57.7--------------------1187------%
USA---------------332.0------------------462.3-------------81.8-------------------1392------17 higher
New York----------19.5--------------------44.3-------------89.8--------------------2276------92 “
New Jersey----------8.9--------------------21.7-------------79.5-------------------2442-----206 “
Michigan-----------10.0--------------------15.6-------------61.7-------------------1566------32 “
Pennsylvania-------12.8--------------------22.2-------------67.4-------------------1734------46 “
Illinois--------------12.7--------------------21.5-------------89.8--------------------1696-----43 “

So far Sweden has been more successful with its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic than many of the E.U. countries and U.S. states above with strict lockdowns.

Strange, you compare it to all kinds of countries who's culture/population and weather circumstances are totally different to those with Sweden but you forgot to mention Sweden's neighboring countries:

Norway 11,839 cases per 1 million pop. and 107 deaths per 1M pop.

Finland 8,456 cases per 1M population and 124 deaths per 1M pop.

Denmark 34,589 cases per 1M population and 379 deaths per 1M pop.

must have been an oversight.
 
Strange, you compare it to all kinds of countries who's culture/population and weather circumstances are totally different to those with Sweden but you forgot to mention Sweden's neighboring countries:

Norway 11,839 cases per 1 million pop. and 107 deaths per 1M pop.

Finland 8,456 cases per 1M population and 124 deaths per 1M pop.

Denmark 34,589 cases per 1M population and 379 deaths per 1M pop.

must have been an oversight.
He does it regularly and then, when rebuttal like yours is posted, waits his time and then repeats the same BS some time later, repeating the same c&p statistic that has long since been shredded by others.

The fact that even the King of Sweden has by now denounced the Swedish government's approach as constituting complete failure is something he completely ignores whenever it is pointed out.

For actually factual dissemination of the Swedish situation;----------------->

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32750-1/fulltext
 
It is a total failure, that's why Sweden has started lockdown.
 
Strange, you compare it to all kinds of countries who's culture/population and weather circumstances are totally different to those with Sweden but you forgot to mention Sweden's neighboring countries
It is northing strange about it. Nothing to do with culture/population and weather circumstances. The comparison is clearly states the subjects to be compare: “Comparison of Sweden with some E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death”, and with “some U.S. States with strict lockdowns.” All those countries have more strict COVID-19 polices than Sweden, that has been more successful with its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic than many of those countries. That is the comparison, whether you like it or not.
 
It is northing strange about it. Nothing to do with culture/population and weather circumstances. The comparison is clearly states the subjects to be compare: “Comparison of Sweden with some E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death”, and with “some U.S. States with strict lockdowns.” All those countries have more strict COVID-19 polices than Sweden, that has been more successful with its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic than many of those countries. That is the comparison, whether you like it or not.
Well, it's a stupid comparison, whether YOU like it or not.:rolleyes:
 
No Lockdown Sweden Sees COVID Deaths Plummet Quicker Than UK
No Lockdown Sweden Sees COVID Deaths Plummet Quicker Than UK (infowars.com)
PAUL JOSEPH WATSON FEBRUARY 18, 2021

While the media in the UK is asserting lockdown measures caused COVID-19 deaths and cases to plummet, Sweden saw an even greater drop off in deaths despite enforcing comparatively minor restrictions.

This morning, UK broadcaster Sky News declared “Lockdown is working! COVID-19 infection rate plummets in England.”

“One of the largest and most authoritative coronavirus surveys has found that infections are quickly falling in England, confirming that lockdown is working to suppress the virus,” states the report.

The report claims that vaccines aren’t a factor in the reduction in deaths and cases because they are observed across all age groups.

However, as Dr. Eli David highlighted, COVID deaths in Sweden began dropping off even sooner without the need for harsh lockdown measures.

The strict lockdown in the UK was so effective that it stopped the spread of Covid in Sweden as well.

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What the curve above shows is that the light restrictions in Sweden work better than the strict lockdown in UK. Strict lockdowns have a very adverse effects on young people. Higher levels of loneliness and anxiety occur among young people. The sustain loss of play and peer interaction had affected their regular behavior. What they had sacrifice outweighs their health risk from the virus. Death/Case ratio: UK 2.8%, Sweden 2.%.
 
COVID-19 Special: Has Sweden's strategy succeeded?
COVID-19 Special: Has Sweden′s strategy succeeded? | DW News - latest news and breaking stories | DW | 09.03.2021

Sweden has become famous for its lack of lockdowns and sparse mask-wearing. While the virus has spread rapidly, deaths have not rocketed to the levels of Italy or Britain. However, scientists caution that the Swedish model would not work everywhere.

Video duration 12 mins.
Sweden’s strategy of avoiding lockdown so far has been working. Sweden 7.9% excess death in 2020 compare to the years 2016 to 2019. Among 30 European countries Sweden has the 23rd lower annual excess deaths, and also has a lower number of coronavirus deaths per million of a number of those countries with strict lockdowns. Also COVID-19 intensive care mortality rate in Sweden was lower than in many other countries
 
COVID-19 Special: Has Sweden's strategy succeeded?
COVID-19 Special: Has Sweden′s strategy succeeded? | DW News - latest news and breaking stories | DW | 09.03.2021

Sweden has become famous for its lack of lockdowns and sparse mask-wearing. While the virus has spread rapidly, deaths have not rocketed to the levels of Italy or Britain. However, scientists caution that the Swedish model would not work everywhere.

Video duration 12 minutes
Sweden’s strategy of avoiding lockdown so far has been working. Sweden 7.9% excess death in 2020 compare to the years 2016 to 2019. Among 30 European countries Sweden has the 23rd lower annual excess deaths, and also has a lower number of coronavirus deaths per million of a number of those countries with strict lockdowns. Also COVID-19 intensive care mortality rate in Sweden was lower than in many other countries
 
Sweden’s strategy of avoiding lockdown so far has been working.
Egads, this BS again?

No, it isn't. Case rates and ICU admissions are rising quickly. They have the 5th highest number of total cases in the European Union. There is no sign that they have COVID under control

Tegnell was confident at the end of August 2020 that the worst was behind them. "Our prognosis is, No, we don’t really see a huge second wave coming on." The presumption that they'd reach herd immunity faster than their neighbors? Yeah, that didn't happen. So much for that theory.

They are doing poorly compared to their Nordic neighbors, who have similar cultures, climates, and demographics. Denmark and Finland had only a 1% excess mortality rate; Norway had a 0% excess mortality rate. 7.9% excess deaths is not something to brag about.

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They're a total disaster compared to nations that actually took lockdowns seriously and were thus able to open quickly, notably South Korea, China, New Zealand, Singapore.... Which have had almost no deaths.

Despite simultaneously hinting at and denying herd immunity as a goal, they're doing poorly with the total number of vaccinations.

Their economy isn't doing much better than anyone else, either. GDP fell by around 3% (same as other Nordic nations), unemployment soared to 10% along with the virus surges (one mid-2020, one now).

That's actually not much of a surprise, because in many respects, Swedes didn't act that much differently than other EU nations. Photos of restaurants and bars are a bit deceptive, as mobility other data shows that most Swedes drastically cut back on going out and going places; most high schools and universities switched to virtual classes. (There were also lots of people gathering in those other nations when and where they shouldn't.) The government still limited many activities, such as concerts; they also locked down facilities for seniors, after the death rate in those facilities soared in 2020.

So yeah, it's not surprising that a few differences (less masks, more bars, insufficiently protecting seniors) winds up making Sweden far worse off than very similar nations.
 
Egads, this BS again?

No, it isn't. Case rates and ICU admissions are rising quickly. They have the 5th highest number of total cases in the European Union. There is no sign that they have COVID under control

Tegnell was confident at the end of August 2020 that the worst was behind them. "Our prognosis is, No, we don’t really see a huge second wave coming on." The presumption that they'd reach herd immunity faster than their neighbors? Yeah, that didn't happen. So much for that theory.

They are doing poorly compared to their Nordic neighbors, who have similar cultures, climates, and demographics. Denmark and Finland had only a 1% excess mortality rate; Norway had a 0% excess mortality rate. 7.9% excess deaths is not something to brag about.

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They're a total disaster compared to nations that actually took lockdowns seriously and were thus able to open quickly, notably South Korea, China, New Zealand, Singapore.... Which have had almost no deaths.

Despite simultaneously hinting at and denying herd immunity as a goal, they're doing poorly with the total number of vaccinations.

Their economy isn't doing much better than anyone else, either. GDP fell by around 3% (same as other Nordic nations), unemployment soared to 10% along with the virus surges (one mid-2020, one now).

That's actually not much of a surprise, because in many respects, Swedes didn't act that much differently than other EU nations. Photos of restaurants and bars are a bit deceptive, as mobility other data shows that most Swedes drastically cut back on going out and going places; most high schools and universities switched to virtual classes. (There were also lots of people gathering in those other nations when and where they shouldn't.) The government still limited many activities, such as concerts; they also locked down facilities for seniors, after the death rate in those facilities soared in 2020.

So yeah, it's not surprising that a few differences (less masks, more bars, insufficiently protecting seniors) winds up making Sweden far worse off than very similar nations.
Your above is a wasted effort (certainly on the poster you respond to).

He just bides his time until he thinks everyone has forgotten, and then presents (repeats) the same bucket of tripe that he has been presenting ever since.
 
246 deaths so far in northern Swedish province; 6 in adjacent Norway one:
 
Sweden COVID-19 death per one million of population are lower than in many Western European countries and the U.S.

Also mortality rate in intensive care (ICU) in Sweden has been lower compare to other European countries too. Link: COVID-19 intensive care mortality in Sweden lower than in many studies from other countries | EurekAlert! Science News

Coronavirus update April 28 link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Comparison of Sweden with some E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death, updated on February 4 by worldometer.

Place----------Population in MM------Death in K---Tot Cases K/1M pop----Death/1M pop
Sweden--------------10.1-------------------14.0-------------93.9-------------------1376----%
Belgium-------------11.6-------------------24.1-------------84.2-------------------2072----51 higher
Spain----------------46.7------------------- 77.9-------------74.8-------------------1665----21 “
Italy------------------60.5------------------119.9------------65.9--------------------1986--- 44 “
UK-------------------67.8------------------127.5------------64.6--------------------1869----36 “
France---------------65.2------------------103.6------------84.6--------------------1584----15 “
Switzerland--------- 8.7--------------------10.6------------75.1--------------------1216----12 lower
Austria---------------9.0--------------------10.1-------------67.7--------------------1119---19 “
Netherlands--------17.1--------------------17.1------------85.8----------------------996--- 38 “

All the countries above have strict virus polices, except for Sweden that has a more relax one.

Comparison of Sweden with some U.S. States with strict lockdowns.

Place----------Population in MM-------Death in K---Tot Cases K/1M pop ----Death/1M pop
Sweden-------------10.1-------------------14.0------------93.9---------------------1376------%
USA---------------332.0------------------587.4------------99.0---------------------1766-----28 higher
New York-----------19.5-------------------52.4----------- 107.1-------------------- 2693-----96 “
New Jersey----------8.9--------------------25.5-----------111.6-------------------- 2866----108 “
Michigan-----------10.0--------------------18.6------------92.5---------------------1859-----35 “
Pennsylvania-------12.8--------------------26.2------------89.4----------------------2045----49 “
Illinois--------------12.7--------------------24.2-----------104.6---------------------1908-----39 “

Comparing this COVID-19 chart with the February 4 chart, the percent of the Death/1M pop column for higher have increased except for Belgium and Illinois. See page 36, reply #882
The Swedish experiment of doing remarkably little about Covid-19 | Page 36 | Debate Politics

So far Sweden has been more successful with its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic than many of the E.U. countries and U.S. states above with strict lockdowns.
 
Swedish PM sees “beginning of the end”, eases COVID restrictions next week
Swedish PM sees “beginning of the end”, eases COVID restrictions next week | Reuters

REUTER | May 27, 2021

Sweden will ease some of its COVID-19 restrictions from June 1 as new cases have fallen sharply in recent weeks, the government said on Thursday, as it presented a roadmap to open up society.

Sweden has been an outlier in the fight against the pandemic and has opted against full lockdowns, instead relying on mostly voluntary measures. It has been hit by a severe third wave of the virus but fresh cases and the number of people being admitted to intensive care are declining quickly.

"We are beginning to glimpse the beginning of the end," Prime Minister Lofven told a news conference.

The previously announced easing includes longer opening hours for restaurants and cafes, as well as raising the number of spectators at sports events and visitors at museums and amusement parks.
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Sweden policy of relying mainly on voluntary measures has succeeded. Even with the highest number of cases per capita, the deaths this year have been lower than most European countries, and the total deaths due to the corona virus have been lower too than in most European countries that implemented strict lockdowns. Basically, Sweden has reached herd immunity. Already restaurants are open longer, and public events like sports, museums, concerts, cinemas and amusement parks, are accommodating more people.
 
A thing worth to point out is Sweden isn't doing nothing anymore. They haven't been doing nothing since last fall. However from what I have heard from our dear western neighbors is that unlike here, where everyone interprets government recommendations as strict rules, the attitudes is somewhat lax and people are more arbitrary. That could be an explanation to why Sweden still has such horrendous number of Covid deaths, they really shouldn't have. Makes sense if they had double the number of Finland or Norway since they have double the population, but ten times the deaths of their neighbors is yikes.
 
A thing worth to point out is Sweden isn't doing nothing anymore. They haven't been doing nothing since last fall. However from what I have heard from our dear western neighbors is that unlike here, where everyone interprets government recommendations as strict rules, the attitudes is somewhat lax and people are more arbitrary. That could be an explanation to why Sweden still has such horrendous number of Covid deaths, they really shouldn't have. Makes sense if they had double the number of Finland or Norway since they have double the population, but ten times the deaths of their neighbors is yikes.
As with most countries the death rate in Sweden is high mainly due to Covid getting into the care system. In the UK only a few hundred people under the age of 60 have died of Covid alone...so the risks to younger, healthy people is tiny....same in Sweden obviously...masks outdoors are not necessary.
 
I also saw that a German study shows lockdowns didn't work.
 
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