I've been suggesting this for a while. Insurers are making bank on the Medicaid expansion piece of the ACA and yet some are deciding they don't want to sell in the exchanges? If they can play in the public space (and this goes for Medicare Advantage, not just Medicaid), they should be explicitly "encouraged" to play in the commercial space.
I've been suggesting this for a while. Insurers are making bank on the Medicaid expansion piece of the ACA and yet some are deciding they don't want to sell in the exchanges? If they can play in the public space (and this goes for Medicare Advantage, not just Medicaid), they should be explicitly "encouraged" to play in the commercial space.
Just think if more states enacted the "Greenbeard" rule , republicans stopped sabotaging Obamacare and encouraged people to sign up how many more people would have health coverage. But that would require republicans to admit they were lying the last 8 years. Sadly they put their party above America.
no more would have health coverage.
Sorry man.. but your partisanship is why healthcare market is in such a pickle.
jaeger, I really don't understand your emotional need to flail at me but I recognize that it exists. So in your determination to flail at me you ignore that some conservatives refused to sign up for Obamacare out of some deluded sense of patriotism. You also ignore republican attempts to sabotage Obamacare which has added to the cost. Be it not expanding Medicaid or sabotaging the risk corridor program. The uncertainty of Obamacare repeal also has insurers scared and cutting back. so if you have something you'd like to share besides whining at me and about me, please share it. thanks in advance.
You probably don't understand because I have zero.. zero "emotional need to flail" at you.
What should be ignored is your partisanship.
The idea that any significant portion of conservative americans "didn;t sign up for obamacare out of patriotism"... is simply your partisan BS.
People didn't sign up for Obamacare (as if there was a signing up for "obamacare" but anyway)
Secondly.. if you have a problem with states not expanding Medicaid.. well then you should place blame on the democrats for designing the program to give states the choice...
Your emotional need to flail at me again requires you to ignore simple facts. Republicans encouraged people not to sign up. Besides the travelling "show" to encourage people not to sign up certainly even a person of your intelligence remembers the "creep uncle sam" commercial. And if you think your conservative masters lying about Obamacare had no effect then I going to have to put you in front of an Obamacare death panel. And your emotional need to flail at me also requires you to pretend not to know what the "risk corridors" program was and how republicans sabotaged it.
poor jaeger, "sign up for Obamacare" is well used enough phrase that your "clever" reply only makes you look more foolish as you flail at me.
poor poor jaeger. See if you can put it into words how republicans choosing not to expand Medicaid is the dem's fault.
You obviously don't know what the phrase "red herring" means jaeger. you should google it. And since you bring it up, how many people didn't sign up because Palin told them there were death panels? Anyhoo, here's a number from 2014. Literally 17% of 34% refused to sign up because they oppose Obamacare.. "death panels".. and "republican road shows".. are just a bunch of red herrings. The idea that "death panels" and republican road shows or commercials" were effective in keeping any significant amount of people away from buying insurance policies and taking advantage of subsidies is ludicrous. turn people that had insurance before Obamacare to having a negative perception of obamacare? Okay.
But dissuade a significant number of people that didn't have insurance to not take advantage of the subsidy and purchase healthcare they needed? Yeah no. There is no "fact" behind your premise vern.
The people that didn't sign up?.. didn;t sign up because they felt it was too expensive even with the subsidy.
Yes jaeger, me saying "sign up for Obamacare" instead of "sign up for coverage provided via the Obamacare exchanges " is just like telling people there are "death panels where bureaucrats will judge if you deserve to live". Jaeger, you equating the two is exactly what desperation looks likeYes.. its a well used and incorrect phrase. Just as "death panels" were and a whole host of other incorrect statements regarding the PPACA.
that's the thing, they didn't give them a choice. republicans sued and the supreme court blocked it. republicans own it and are responsible for the 4.8 million not only being denied Medicaid but also denied subsidies. see if you can look that up by yourself.As soon as you explain why the democrats gave the states the choice to expand or not expand Medicaid when expanding it was necessary for Obamacare to work.
You obviously don't know what the phrase "red herring" means jaeger. you should google it. And since you bring it up, how many people didn't sign up because Palin told them there were death panels? Anyhoo, here's a number from 2014. Literally 17% of 34% refused to sign up because they oppose Obamacare.
one-third (34 percent) said they intend to continue without health coverage. When asked why, 41 percent said health insurance is too expensive, 17 percent cited opposition to the Affordable Care Act, and 13 percent said they’re healthy and don’t need coverage.
Many Uninsured Still Unaware About Obamacare
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Yes jaeger, me saying "sign up for Obamacare" instead of "sign up for coverage provided via the Obamacare exchanges " is just like telling people there are "death panels where bureaucrats will judge if you deserve to live". Jaeger, you equating the two is exactly what desperation looks like
that's the thing, they didn't give them a choice. republicans sued and the supreme court blocked it. republicans own it and are responsible for the 4.8 million not only being denied Medicaid but also denied subsidies. see if you can look that up by yourself.
Lets just focus on this. The democrats made the expansion mandatory. Republicans sued and won. Now the expansion is voluntary. Republicans chose not to expand in 19 states. Repubicans are responsible for the 4.8 million not getting coverage.Actually since Medicaid is a federal program that states get to choose to belong to.. then yes.. by using Medicaid.. the democrats did give them a choice....
Lets just focus on this. The democrats made the expansion mandatory. Republicans sued and won. Now the expansion is voluntary. Republicans chose not to expand in 19 states. Repubicans are responsible for the 4.8 million not getting coverage.
You said "dems shouldn't have made it voluntary". Dems didn't make it voluntary. See how you just cant address the simple facts and your own words in an honest and straight forward manner. Why do you think you do that? I know the reason. I just wonder if you do.
I accept your defeat on the other points.
poor jaeger, still desperate to claim victory I see. As long as you continue to argue ´dems made expansión voluntary´you are going to look foolish. It seems to be a position you are comfortable with.
Vern... the only one that's desperate here is you. I blew up your premise with several points.. none of which you can refute. You have now latched onto semantics of whether going with expanding Medicaid which is voluntary for states to take.. is voluntary expansion or not.
You have nothing but partisan diatribe.
jaeger, I dont know if its Vern Derangement Syndrome or you just lacking the integrity to admit you are wrong the person playing Word games is you. When you´re in a hole, stop digging
The law previously required states to expand coverage to everyone making less than 138% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) or lose federal funding to Medicaid. However, that provision was changed during a supreme court ruling on ObamaCare.
https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacares-medicaid-expansion/
you simply cant spin that as dems making the expansión voluntary.
The law previously required states to expand coverage to everyone making less than 138% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) or lose federal funding to Medicaid
Yes vern.
Please look at your bolded part:
So right there.. the states can CHOOSE to expand coverage.. or choose not to and get out of Medicaid.
Vern derangement syndrome? Huh... surprising that you would admit that you are deranged. But it would explain a lot.
ALBANY — Striking pre-emptively at an increasingly frequent foil, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo plans to announce a series of steps on Monday to safeguard insurance coverage against a possible repeal of all or parts of the Affordable Care Act in Washington.
The measures, taken via emergency regulations, will include requiring any private company doing business on the state’s insurance marketplace to guarantee the 10 “essential health benefits” required by President Barack Obama’s signature 2010 health care law. The governor will also direct the state’s health department to blacklist any company that withdraws from the exchange from participating in Medicaid or its children’s health plan.
Jaeger, you are correct, the dems technically gave states a choice. repulicans didnt like that choice and changed it via the courts. Sadly you win the point but still look foolish saying its the dems fault republicans chose not to expand medicaid. Your narrative ónce again proves ´personal accoutability´is a meaningless phrase for conservatives.
Yes.. some republican states decided to not take Medicaid. That's their responsibility for that decision. I have no problem with that.
Secondly.. if you have a problem with states not expanding Medicaid.. well then you should place blame on the democrats for designing the program to give states the choice...
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jaeger, do you not even know what you post?
I understand exactly what I post.
1. If a state decides to not expand Medicaid.. then its their choice.
2. However.. IF democrats complain that states not expanding Medicaid is a dell knell for their healthcare program,, they should understand that they bear responsibility in using Medicaid which is a voluntary program.
Its how logical works Vern when you stop seeing everything from a partisan filter.
Take off your partisan glasses vern.. its a much more logical world.
Yes.. some republican states decided to not take Medicaid. That's their responsibility for that decision.
if you have a problem with states not expanding Medicaid.. well then you should place blame on the democrats
Jaeger, you didn't reply to your own words. That's no shock to me. I've seen it before. Here, read your own words again. slowly this time
I cropped a bit more so you wont have as many words to try to read. And you made up the "death knell" narrative. I simply pointed out it was just another attempt by republicans to sabotage Obamacare and raising the costs to Americans. Hey remember the days when conservatives obediently whined about the Obamacare costs? I do. Its just another example of the flaming hypocrisy of conservatives.
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