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The Supreme Court ponders the right to pray on the 50-yard line

AZRWinger said:
On Ash Wednesday both President Biden and Speaker Pelosi appeared in public with crosses smeared on their foreheads from attending Catholic church services. In a brazen show of hypocrisy both are full throated advocates of abortion on demand despite the church's opposition. There is no evidence the football coach is using his prayer for anything but to praise God.
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Excellent!
 
AZRWinger said:
Sigh, it's a lengthy thread so I'll assume you just missed the references to Masterpiece Cakes 6 figure fines and Little Sisters of the Poor $50K daily fines, both for refusing to violate their sincerely held Christian beliefs in defiance of government commands.

What's your excuse for ignoring the persecution of the coach documented in this thread?
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The coach was not persecuted, neither were the two cases you cited. The government did not force them to stop practicing their religion.
 
NotreDame said:
Well, my post provides a basis for which a line is determined, agree?

Another basis may be their job specific description.
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No, I don't. That is the trouble with these things. Making it situational confuses the issue, it doesn't clarify it.
 
devildavid said:
No, I don't. That is the trouble with these things. Making it situational confuses the issue, it doesn't clarify it.
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Unsure how “that is the trouble.” Law is broad rules whose application depends on the situation. This methodology can and has produced clarity. Is the methodology perfect, where perfection is always clarity? No, but no legal system conceived by Homo Sapiens during their tenure on earth has been perfect with regards to clarity.
 
devildavid said:
The coach was not persecuted, neither were the two cases you cited. The government did not force them to stop practicing their religion.
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If suspension from your job, 6 figure fines and $50 K per day penalties for exercising the free practice of religion aren't persecution, nothing is.

Back in the dark ages before the Marxists usurped liberal Democrats tolerance was a real thing. Outrage and peaceful protests were reserved for meaningful injustices. Christians were allies in these campaigns such as the civil rights movement. But today's Marxist Democrats revel in their intolence using the heavy hand of government to punish any who offend hypersensitivities. It doesn't matter that there is no compulsion to observe or participate in a coach's post game prayer or there are dozens of welcoming options for a wedding cake, Christians must be subjugated to the Leftist collective.
 
AZRWinger said:
If suspension from your job, 6 figure fines and $50 K per day penalties for exercising the free practice of religion aren't persecution, nothing is.

Back in the dark ages before the Marxists usurped liberal Democrats tolerance was a real thing. Outrage and peaceful protests were reserved for meaningful injustices. Christians were allies in these campaigns such as the civil rights movement. But today's Marxist Democrats revel in their intolence using the heavy hand of government to punish any who offend hypersensitivities. It doesn't matter that there is no compulsion to observe or participate in a coach's post game prayer or there are dozens of welcoming options for a wedding cake, Christians must be subjugated to the Leftist collective.
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The coach was fired for doing something on the job that he was not supposed to do. This did not stop him from pursing his religious beliefs or following his religion at all. He is free to do that today. He is not free to pray during working for a public school. The cake bakers are still free to follow their religion and believe what they want to. No one has stopped them from doing that.
 
NotreDame said:
Unsure how “that is the trouble.” Law is broad rules whose application depends on the situation. This methodology can and has produced clarity. Is the methodology perfect, where perfection is always clarity? No, but no legal system conceived by Homo Sapiens during their tenure on earth has been perfect with regards to clarity.
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Your line is much too vague to be applied as law.
 
devildavid said:
The coach was fired for doing something on the job that he was not supposed to do. This did not stop him from pursing his religious beliefs or following his religion at all. He is free to do that today. He is not free to pray during working for a public school. The cake bakers are still free to follow their religion and believe what they want to. No one has stopped them from doing that.
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Oh well thanks for clearing it up that religious freedom is limited to what critics approve.

It's nonsense to claim destroying people's livelihood for exercising their religious rights isn't persecution. Attempt to justify the persecution but denying it is inane.
 
AZRWinger said:
Oh well thanks for clearing it up that religious freedom is limited to what critics approve.

It's nonsense to claim destroying people's livelihood for exercising their religious rights isn't persecution. Attempt to justify the persecution but denying it is inane.
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Such hyperbole. The guy brought it on himself! That's not persecution. More like self inflicted.
 
AZRWinger said:
Oh well thanks for clearing it up that religious freedom is limited to what critics approve.

It's nonsense to claim destroying people's livelihood for exercising their religious rights isn't persecution. Attempt to justify the persecution but denying it is inane.
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No religious freedom doesn't mean a coach can pray if it is against school policy. This applies to all religions in that situation. It is very specific, and does not deny him the right to practice his religion at all. He destroyed his own right to make a living by ignoring the warnings and continuing to act against policy. These things can happen for reasons other than religious ones as well. Anyone unable to abide by the policies of the place they work for risks termination. It is on them, not the employer. There is no religious exemption to not follow employer policy unless granted by the employer or decided in court. The employer was within their rights to do what they did and it does not amount to religious persecution.
 
iguanaman said:
Who owns the public high schools in Canada?
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I can only speak for Ontario. Public schools are the private property of the School Boards in the various municipalities. The school boards are a branch of the municipal government.

ETA Under the Education Act school boards have the right to set the rules for the use of the property as they see fit.
 
devildavid said:
The coach was fired for doing something on the job that he was not supposed to do. This did not stop him from pursing his religious beliefs or following his religion at all. He is free to do that today. He is not free to pray during working for a public school. The cake bakers are still free to follow their religion and believe what they want to. No one has stopped them from doing that.
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He is not free to pray during working for a public school.
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This is legally incorrect in the U.S.
 
Callen said:
Maybe I misunderstood the details. I thought these were high school football fields therefore not public.
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The field is government property since the school district owns it.
 
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