The Suffolk Killer

[GarzaUK]

Three Prostitutes have been murdered in Ipswich and appears the killings are linked. Two prostitutes are also missing. While the police are not comfirming a serial killer yet, there is growing suspicions of a Ripper starting his work.

BBC NEWS | England | Suffolk | Third prostitute 'was strangled'

 

[GarzaUK]

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2 more bodies found.

BBC NEWS | England | Suffolk | Murder police find two more dead

Murder police find two more dead

Annette Nicholls, 29, was reported missing by her family
Two more bodies have been found by police investigating the murders of three prostitutes.
A woodland area around the village of Levington, near Ipswich, has been sealed off by officers.

Police said it is likely the two bodies are those of two missing women - Paula Clennell and Annette Nicholls.

The area is close to where the body of Anneli Alderton was found on Sunday. The bodies of Gemma Adams, and Tania Nicol, were found near Ipswich.

Suffolk police officers were called to Levington shortly after 1500 GMT on Tuesday.

Ms Clennell, 24, and 29-year-old Ms Nicholls, have not been heard from since Sunday.

 

[americanwoman]

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That's horrible! Hopefully they can find this ripper and do what they will do to him over there. Do they have the death penalty in Suffolk?

 

[GarzaUK]

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That's horrible! Hopefully they can find this ripper and do what they will do to him over there. Do they have the death penalty in Suffolk?

Suffolk is not like a state in an America, it is a county - a part of England. The Death Pelanty has been outlawed in the UK and in Europe for decades as so it should be.

 

[Jay R]

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That's horrible! Hopefully they can find this ripper and do what they will do to him over there. Do they have the death penalty in Suffolk?

:rofl My God, that made me laugh. No I'm afraid we don't have the option of such an effective solution anywhere in the UK. The police need to catch him first anyway, with some solid evidence for a conviction. The last British serial killer to be discovered was Shipman, and he'd been going at it for years, granted his slaughter was rather less overt. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. If the police catch him on a solid conviction then it will be another good argument for a return to at least an option of capital punishment.

Have the police released anything about the causes of death Garza? If he's asphyxiating them then technically he's a Suffolk Strangler, to be considered a Ripper copycat he'd have to be mutilating the bodies.

 

[americanwoman]

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Thanks, I do hope they catch him though! I should have read up on the UK's policies before posting though :3oops:

 

[GarzaUK]

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:rofl My God, that made me laugh. No I'm afraid we don't have the option of such an effective solution anywhere in the UK. The police need to catch him first anyway, with some solid evidence for a conviction. The last British serial killer to be discovered was Shipman, and he'd been going at it for years, granted his slaughter was rather less overt. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. If the police catch him on a solid conviction then it will be another good argument for a return to at least an option of capital punishment.

Have the police released anything about the causes of death Garza? If he's asphyxiating them then technically he's a Suffolk Strangler, to be considered a Ripper copycat he'd have to be mutilating the bodies.

I disagree I do not believe in the Capital Punishment, locking up the cell and throwing away the key however I wouldn't object to.

Jack the Ripper strangled his victims first then mutilated them. The Yorkshire Ripper beat the prostitutes over the head with a hammer. This ones seems to strangle them, strip them naked and dump them in water - although their is no proof yet that it is one killer, could be a killer team.

I think in the UK if there is a serial killer who kills prostitutes he is automatically considered a Ripper - since Jack and Yorkshire killed prostitutes (except Yorkshire then went for everyday girls at the end).

 

[GarzaUK]

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Criminology is a bit of a interest of mine, so I'm going to give a bit of an update.

~ the killer knows his area very well. His victims are laid out in unlit areas and easy accessed rural areas. Very definitely a local boy.

~ he has most likely idolised women, to only be let down by a woman, failed relationship, maybe from mother

~ he has above average intelligence, he knows a bit about forensics, he took all the clothes on all the victims and he dumped some of them in water which washes evidence away

~ murders on sex workers are usually sexual in origin, but this women appear not to be sexually assaulted at all, which is very odd.

Edit. Looking back on all my criminology books. These murderers do not feed the usual serial killer profile, they happen so swiftly. 5 murders in 6 weeks. Ted Bundy, Yorkshire Ripper or even Jack the Ripper was not so swift in their murders. Quite shocking.

 

[Jay R]

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Criminology is a bit of a interest of mine, so I'm going to give a bit of an update.

~ the killer knows his area very well. His victims are laid out in unlit areas and easy accessed rural areas. Very definitely a local boy.

~ he has most likely idolised women, to only be let down by a woman, failed relationship, maybe from mother

~ he has above average intelligence, he knows a bit about forensics, he took all the clothes on all the victims and he dumped some of them in water which washes evidence away

~ murders on sex workers are usually sexual in origin, but this women appear not to be sexually assaulted at all, which is very odd.

Edit. Looking back on all my criminology books. These murderers do not feed the usual serial killer profile, they happen so swiftly. 5 murders in 6 weeks. Ted Bundy, Yorkshire Ripper or even Jack the Ripper was not so swift in their murders. Quite shocking.

Hmm... could it actually be a group Garza? Working in concert and each going out and murdering someone with the same MO? I thought when the second murder was announced that it sounded very odd to have something so similar in such a short time.

 

[GarzaUK]

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Hmm... could it actually be a group Garza? Working in concert and each going out and murdering someone with the same MO? I thought when the second murder was announced that it sounded very odd to have something so similar in such a short time.

The murders have happened in a short space of time for a serial killer. Usually with a serial killer you get a "cooling off" period. Usually months sometimes even years. 5 murders in 6 weeks is astonishing. Even Jack the Ripper took more time.

Group serial killings are rare, extremely rare, but cannot be ruled out. A team of two killers would be more likely than a group. Cannot be ruled out at this time. A team of two killers usually is male/female, usually lovers. The fact that the bodies have not being sexually assaulted could raise the probability of a religious nut trying to "cleanse" the streets.

Also what astonished me was that the last two murders were done while the police were keeping an eye on the streets on the look out. Again two murders within at the most within days of each other is a new one. This guy or people are growing in confidence.

 

[jujuman13]

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I regret I am now unable to locate the report, but the BBC reported that these killings could be linked to a killing that occurred about 14 years ago of a 16 year old prostitute.
The reason they think it is linked is because although these latest victims have not been reported as having been mutilated it was reported that all of their body hair had been removed, likewise with the girl murdered 14 years ago.

I am totally against the death penalty as far too many people who were later found to have been innocent of the crime for which they have been executed.

Whenever the state or country carries out a death sentence, they are in effect doing it on my behalf.

 

[GarzaUK]

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I regret I am now unable to locate the report, but the BBC reported that these killings could be linked to a killing that occurred about 14 years ago of a 16 year old prostitute.
The reason they think it is linked is because although these latest victims have not been reported as having been mutilated it was reported that all of their body hair had been removed, likewise with the girl murdered 14 years ago.

I am totally against the death penalty as far too many people who were later found to have been innocent of the crime for which they have been executed.

Whenever the state or country carries out a death sentence, they are in effect doing it on my behalf.

Yes they are looking at a similar killing 14 years ago. However serial killers do not take 14 year vacations off killing. Unless of course he was in prison for that time for another offense.

 

[jujuman13]

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(Yes they are looking at a similar killing 14 years ago. However serial killers do not take 14 year vacations off killing. Unless of course he was in prison for that time for another offense.)

Serial killers have been known to take vacations lasting some years from their killing spree, and then resuming their killing.
whether they have these vacations this by reason of imprisonment or not I have no idea.

However I rather think that even our plods have or are examining this particular aspect.

It is a misnomer to categorise this particular Killer as the 'Ripper' because this is not how he kills his victims, instead he either strangles or suffocates them, he also, apart from removing all their clothing and body hair, leaves them with their personal jewellery.

 

[GarzaUK]

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Serial killers have been known to take vacations lasting some years from their killing spree, and then resuming their killing.
whether they have these vacations this by reason of imprisonment or not I have no idea.

Vacations of 14 years though?? Point to a case where a serial killer has stopped for 14 years. Serial killers usually have cooling periods of a few years. If this gur or guys took 14 years off killing, he is an exception.

It is a misnomer to categorise this particular Killer as the 'Ripper' because this is not how he kills his victims, instead he either strangles or suffocates them, he also, apart from removing all their clothing and body hair, leaves them with their personal jewellery.

Yes he is not a ripper, its just in the UK when a killer starts killing prostitutes we automatically think Jack the Ripper. He is not yet a strangler either since we don't know what killed 3 out of the 5 girls.

BTW just wondering, are you an American or a Brit? Reading your posts it just seems you command knowledge of both countries.

 

[mikhail]

Yes its quite interesting this case if thats not too much of a cold term.The police really dont seem to have much clues or at least nothing they are letting on to. I guess its difficult with crimes like this because the motivation isnt logical.

I think its the legalisation of prosititution that should be disscussed not the death penaulty.

I think not having the death penaulty makes the point of your country being civilised.

 

[Jay R]

Its not an either/or issue in my opinion. Certainly I feel that prostitution needs to be taken of the streets and legitimised in a supervised manner, especially due to the recent boom in people trafficking for what is essentially slavery. But equally the death penalty in a democratic country with an independant judiciary and due process is very different to a death penalty in a third world dictatorship or oligarchy. It demonstrates that the society not only has a formulated sense of justice, and the procedures necessary to ensure it is implemented, but also that it has the conviction in its mutually accepted laws to confidently pass the maximum sentence. In the present situation in UK law I think the only reason we don't have a death penalty is because we don't have a politician willing to be the man that brought it back, no one willing to pull the trigger so to speak.

 

[GarzaUK]

Its not an either/or issue in my opinion. Certainly I feel that prostitution needs to be taken of the streets and legitimised in a supervised manner, especially due to the recent boom in people trafficking for what is essentially slavery. But equally the death penalty in a democratic country with an independant judiciary and due process is very different to a death penalty in a third world dictatorship or oligarchy. It demonstrates that the society not only has a formulated sense of justice, and the procedures necessary to ensure it is implemented, but also that it has the conviction in its mutually accepted laws to confidently pass the maximum sentence. In the present situation in UK law I think the only reason we don't have a death penalty is because we don't have a politician willing to be the man that brought it back, no one willing to pull the trigger so to speak.

Personally I think brothels should be legalised and heavy regulated with regular inspections by the government, that includes liscences and cleaniness etc.
However there would be a group of prostitutes who with their drug problem or whatever could not get into brothels. What should we do about them.

I sincerly hope the death pelanty does not grace these lands again. As proven in America, it does not lower crime. What civilised country had the death pelanty? The USA....thats about it.