The Success of Communist Efforts at Ideological Subversion in the USA Today.

[Kurmugeon]

You cannot reason with those beyond reason, you have to place them for a fait accompli (a done deal) between the rational forces and place them for a done deal which they have to accept. Like ending the electoral college for example. The extremists will not want this to be done because it gives them the best hope of winning the presidency. So you have to work with other reasonable people to decide this and then it is something that is the norm from then on. Which will end the workable tactic of voter suppression and would make for example the republicans to be the true "big tent" party again and would make the less leftist members of the Democratic party be able to stand up for themselves again. Again IMO.

Except that the SCOTUS will rule against it. Done.

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[RetiredUSN]

First a little background video:



Here are the four stages:

1. Demoralization: Destroy religion; encourage decadence and consumerism; remove responsibility from the community and give it to bureaucrats; give undue power to unelected individuals (journalists, media figures, etc.); demonize law enforcement, praise criminals; exploit trade unions to promote ideology of "equality" that can never be achieved.

2. Destabilization: Increased radicalization; unable to compromise on anything and society becomes more antagonistic; leaders of minority groups (LGBT, Blacks, etc.) become more radical and more violent while simultaneously gathering more sympathy/support from society; Elected official groups collapse and unelected revolutionary committees rise to power with "big ideas" on moving forward.

3. Crisis: Society can no longer function and collapses. A strong man, a group of enlightened intellectuals, or a "messiah" steps in to lead by force, either ends in civil war or invasion.

4. Normalization: Reverse of destabilization - stabilizing by force. Unelected leaders no longer need radicals or revolutionaries. They are eliminated. From then on no more strikes, no more LGBT, women's lib, no liberty PERIOD!

IMO we are currently between the end of Stage 1 and the middle of Stage 2. For example, unelected owners/members of the MSM have too much power using all means of communication to affect political thought Leftward. Meanwhile we have constant efforts to "destabilize" via riots, attacks on out institutions and mores by both "trusted" organizations like the new ACLU and the old SPLC, plus examples like CHAZ in Seattle, and other locales to seized control of "autonomous zones" with no response from elected officials.

Now this was allegedly started by the Soviet Union back in the 1950's, and their efforts would have stopped when the USSR fell. But IMO the leftover's under Putin have been doing it since he took power. I also think that Communist China might have a stake in this kind of effort. There is entirely too much money backing BLM, and the "Idea" of ANTIFAS seems to be pretty active these days.

I am seeing how our institutions, ideals, history are being attacked and undermined by Critical Race Theory, the 1619 Project, Grievance Politics, rioting, assaults on monuments of Lincoln, Jefferson, even Frederick Douglas.

This must be addressed. IMO Trump is NOT the problem, he is simply a reaction to the symptoms and we are at the cusp of Stage 3 whether he be elected or defeated.

Thoughts?

The burnout's from the 60's have a lingering affect.

The original Bernie Bro's.

 

[vegas giants]

Except that the SCOTUS will rule against it. Done.

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Not with 11 justices. Lol

 

[Kurmugeon]

Not with 11 justices. Lol

Please, keep on talking... The People really want to know exactly what you plan to do!

 

[vegas giants]

Please, keep on talking... The People really want to know exactly what you plan to do!

Well once I am made emperor I will begin building the reeducation camps

 

[Yakshi]

Please, keep on talking... The People really want to know exactly what you plan to do!

We'll supersize the court to 13. That's what we plan to do.

Two Obamas, two Clintons.

Now you can't ever again pretend not to know exactly what we're going to do.

 

[Peter King]

Except that the SCOTUS will rule against it. Done.

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Then end the partisan makeup of the supreme court by adding to them until a centrist majority exists.

No longer allow partisan extremes of the party to determine who gets on the Supreme court.

 

[RetiredUSN]

We'll supersize the court to 13. That's what we plan to do.

Two Obamas, two Clintons.

Now you can't ever again pretend not to know exactly what we're going to do.

And you will have your liberals asses kicked to the curb.

 

[bongsaway]

First a little background video:



Here are the four stages:

1. Demoralization: Destroy religion; encourage decadence and consumerism; remove responsibility from the community and give it to bureaucrats; give undue power to unelected individuals (journalists, media figures, etc.); demonize law enforcement, praise criminals; exploit trade unions to promote ideology of "equality" that can never be achieved.

2. Destabilization: Increased radicalization; unable to compromise on anything and society becomes more antagonistic; leaders of minority groups (LGBT, Blacks, etc.) become more radical and more violent while simultaneously gathering more sympathy/support from society; Elected official groups collapse and unelected revolutionary committees rise to power with "big ideas" on moving forward.

3. Crisis: Society can no longer function and collapses. A strong man, a group of enlightened intellectuals, or a "messiah" steps in to lead by force, either ends in civil war or invasion.

4. Normalization: Reverse of destabilization - stabilizing by force. Unelected leaders no longer need radicals or revolutionaries. They are eliminated. From then on no more strikes, no more LGBT, women's lib, no liberty PERIOD!

IMO we are currently between the end of Stage 1 and the middle of Stage 2. For example, unelected owners/members of the MSM have too much power using all means of communication to affect political thought Leftward. Meanwhile we have constant efforts to "destabilize" via riots, attacks on out institutions and mores by both "trusted" organizations like the new ACLU and the old SPLC, plus examples like CHAZ in Seattle, and other locales to seized control of "autonomous zones" with no response from elected officials.

Now this was allegedly started by the Soviet Union back in the 1950's, and their efforts would have stopped when the USSR fell. But IMO the leftover's under Putin have been doing it since he took power. I also think that Communist China might have a stake in this kind of effort. There is entirely too much money backing BLM, and the "Idea" of ANTIFAS seems to be pretty active these days.

I am seeing how our institutions, ideals, history are being attacked and undermined by Critical Race Theory, the 1619 Project, Grievance Politics, rioting, assaults on monuments of Lincoln, Jefferson, even Frederick Douglas.

This must be addressed. IMO Trump is NOT the problem, he is simply a reaction to the symptoms and we are at the cusp of Stage 3 whether he be elected or defeated.

Thoughts?

This sounds as serious as voter fraud the republicans always bring up during elections. You know the voter fraud that is never proven but it's big.

 

[dex4974]

Yes, except Americans like you are a sleep?

I have absolutely zero interest in engaging you.

 

[vegas giants]

I have absolutely zero interest in engaging you.

Wise choice

 

[ludin]

First a little background video:



Here are the four stages:

1. Demoralization: Destroy religion; encourage decadence and consumerism; remove responsibility from the community and give it to bureaucrats; give undue power to unelected individuals (journalists, media figures, etc.); demonize law enforcement, praise criminals; exploit trade unions to promote ideology of "equality" that can never be achieved.

2. Destabilization: Increased radicalization; unable to compromise on anything and society becomes more antagonistic; leaders of minority groups (LGBT, Blacks, etc.) become more radical and more violent while simultaneously gathering more sympathy/support from society; Elected official groups collapse and unelected revolutionary committees rise to power with "big ideas" on moving forward.

3. Crisis: Society can no longer function and collapses. A strong man, a group of enlightened intellectuals, or a "messiah" steps in to lead by force, either ends in civil war or invasion.

4. Normalization: Reverse of destabilization - stabilizing by force. Unelected leaders no longer need radicals or revolutionaries. They are eliminated. From then on no more strikes, no more LGBT, women's lib, no liberty PERIOD!

IMO we are currently between the end of Stage 1 and the middle of Stage 2. For example, unelected owners/members of the MSM have too much power using all means of communication to affect political thought Leftward. Meanwhile we have constant efforts to "destabilize" via riots, attacks on out institutions and mores by both "trusted" organizations like the new ACLU and the old SPLC, plus examples like CHAZ in Seattle, and other locales to seized control of "autonomous zones" with no response from elected officials.

Now this was allegedly started by the Soviet Union back in the 1950's, and their efforts would have stopped when the USSR fell. But IMO the leftover's under Putin have been doing it since he took power. I also think that Communist China might have a stake in this kind of effort. There is entirely too much money backing BLM, and the "Idea" of ANTIFAS seems to be pretty active these days.

I am seeing how our institutions, ideals, history are being attacked and undermined by Critical Race Theory, the 1619 Project, Grievance Politics, rioting, assaults on monuments of Lincoln, Jefferson, even Frederick Douglas.

This must be addressed. IMO Trump is NOT the problem, he is simply a reaction to the symptoms and we are at the cusp of Stage 3 whether he be elected or defeated.

Thoughts?

This has been the communist plan for a while. They hate america and what it stands for.
the socialist/communists all fled their own country to come here. They were outed in the 60's and hide for a while but
not have emerged in all of these extremist groups that keep popping up.

social revolution or the claim of social revolution is the first cry of any communist.
communism is nothing more than a huge appeal to emotion fallacy which fool people into thinking that things would be all better.

the reality is that it is nothing more than a brutal dictatorship which turns the people into servants and slaves. while their government overlords hoard over them.
communistic governments have slaughtered millions of people. Why anyone would subscribe to such nonsense is beyond me.

 

[vegas giants]

There is no real communist movement in the US

 

[dixon01767]

Yes. The right is weak and powerless to stop it

Just the opposite. The right half has not succumbed to it while the left half eagerly laps up the indoctrination

 

[vegas giants]

Just the opposite. The right half has not succumbed to it while the left half eagerly laps up the indoctrination

But the right is powerless to stop it. The left runs everything

 

[dixon01767]

1. More examples of things that may not have anything to do with communism but with a lack of social cohesion in a society. Sadly the way the US was started and the political system within has increased this problem to the maximum.

If you only have 2 political parties and at least one of the parties has fallen into the clutches of a very radical and uncompromising current within that party, you are going to have increased radicalization because the middle ground has been all but given up by people.

Nah, weve had 2 parties for 100s of years. Weve never had a media/Hollywood/academia in such unison so desperately trying to discredit a current President and those who support him.

Voter suppression has been taken to new heights to keep the party in power to remain in power.

And then there is the real world where we will probably be setting records on voter turnout in this election. Just the opposite of what you have imagined.

 

[ludin]

Bezmenov was a propagandist turned free and his lessons were FAR more adopted by the politicians than they were by the masses. In fact, those lessons weren't "news" to the politicians at all as many of the Soviet tactics has been adopted by the American political class already.

When it comes to Communism the American Marxist denies that we are even talking about the same thing. They deny that there will ever be an America equivalent of the Stasi or Pravda yet we have an FBI and NSA that have no problem snooping around for "national security threats" and we have both network and cable media that are unabashed proponents of and propagandists for the Marxists in our government. We see plays on words such as "social justice" and "universal healthcare" that are used to mask what is actually state mandated outcomes for the political system and central control of essential personal services.

You remember when Obama was ranting that he wanted to bring back the "fair use" law i think it was. It was where all stations would have to give equal time to both sides. Basically he was out to destroy conservative speakers more so those on radio than TV. That is the first sign of Government takeover of the media. The new media can no longer claim they are un-bias. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, NPR all hands down in the saddle bags for the leftist regime, and they are controlled
by the leftist regime as well. That is the first sign of government take over when you news media outlets no longer show their utter bias in their reporting efforts.

To truly understand today's American Communist you need to understand what the core of Communism is and that core is the belief that society can be managed in such a way that there is no want and there is no suffering. This, the Communist believes, is "Liberty". Let's look at Peter Kropotkin's take on Communism from the turn of the 20th century -

As I call it the star trek utopia.

The idea is that a small amount of work and effort can be turned into great "freedom" if only everyone does their part. The problem, of course, is that in application everyone tends to appreciate their "freedom" more than their work and they then take issue with all the others that don't produce enough to allow for that "freedom". The whole concept, in fact, is that it's everyone else's responsibility to provide everyone else. When there isn't enough "freedom" the reason for that, obviously, is because others are selfish. Since others are selfish they must be controlled and Kropotkin's utopia goes out the window as Lenin's dictatorship kicks in the front door.

It gets worse than that. You hear the left always crying about "fair share" and "living wage" mindless bubble terms that have 0 definition nor can they define them. It is nothing more than an appeal to emotion to drive their mindless drones in a frenzy. It works every time too. The problem is you can't have a communist style government until you destroy prosperity. If people are not fully dependent on the government for their survival it makes it impossible to take over their lives.
THis is why democrats are always pushing their big huge government policies. things like "government healthcare" other things like "guaranteed income" where the government sends you 1k a month for nothing.
anything and everything to get you to be dependent on the government for your lively hood.

I understand that most American Communists don't think of themselves as being Communist. Then again, that's the whole point of the propaganda and disillusion Bezmenov discussed. The American Communists are going to open the door just as Kropotkin and Makhno did after the Russian Revolution and then some equivalent off Stalin or Trotsky will thank them, salute them, and shoot them in the head as they take over the former Republic.

Exactly. Socialism/communism requires complete authoritarianism by the government over the populace and leads to dictatorship and brutal dictatorship as well.
the other obstacle in their way is the constitution which is why all of these communistic leftist want to get rid of judges that do their job. They have to have the courts take over power they never had.

 

[ludin]

Pure projection, how extreme and blind you have to be to support Trump is beyond all normal Democratic behavior.

But that's what you want.

You want to talk about me being extreme?

When you want to strip most people of their voting rights because of some arbitary way you view their worth?

Get off it.

So you don't like your own logic being applied to you and you turn around and say that is is a projection.
Guess what. What you did in your original argument was a projection as well. Glad you realize that and you can correct yourself
not that you will.

No one has stripped anyone of their voter rights. Why do you guys lie when you supposedly hate lies?

 

[ludin]

The burnout's from the 60's have a lingering affect.

The original Bernie Bro's.

The 60's generation was invaded by the communist block.
While the 40's was the greatest generation the 60's and 70's were
the worst generation.

A bunch of self indulged whiners strung out on drugs and too stupid to realize the
consequences of their actions.

They were self proclaimed communists back then now they just call themselves the democratic party.

 

[Jetboogieman]

So you don't like your own logic being applied to you and you turn around and say that is is a projection.
Guess what. What you did in your original argument was a projection as well. Glad you realize that and you can no correct yourself
not that you will.

No one has stripped anyone of their voter rights. Why do you guys lie when you supposedly hate lies?

TD wants anyone who isn’t a landowner stripper of the ability to vote.

Thats what I am attacking.

Hardly a wild eyed, insane thing for someone who values Democratic Values to do.

 

[dixon01767]

Then end the partisan makeup of the supreme court by adding to them until a centrist majority exists.

No longer allow partisan extremes of the party to determine who gets on the Supreme court.

51% of the Senate determines who gets on the supreme court.

 

[ludin]

TD wants anyone who isn’t a landowner stripper of the ability to vote.

Thats what I am attacking.

Hardly a wild eyed, insane thing for someone who values Democratic Values to do.

YOu will have to quote the full thing in context. I know TD for a while I have never seem him post any such thing.
SO you will have to link the full passage in it's entirety.

until then no one has stripped anyone of their right to vote.
People in the US as long as you are a citizen in good standing have the right to vote.

 

[vegas giants]

The 60's generation was invaded by the communist block.
While the 40's was the greatest generation the 60's and 70's were
the worst generation.

A bunch of self indulged whiners strung out on drugs and too stupid to realize the
consequences of their actions.

They were self proclaimed communists back then now they just call themselves the democratic party.

Anyone who promotes civil rights is a communist to you

 

[ludin]

Then end the partisan makeup of the supreme court by adding to them until a centrist majority exists.

No longer allow partisan extremes of the party to determine who gets on the Supreme court.

that would have happened if Harry Reid had not removed the judicial filibuster.
but he did in an emotional response.

 

[dixon01767]

There is no real communist movement in the US

Correct, it is a neo-Marxist movement with the same goals.