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The story of the praying Bremerton coach keeps getting more surreal

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"When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that Bremerton assistant football coach Joseph Kennedy had the right to pray on the field, it wasn’t widely understood then that the court had also ordered the school district to give him his job back. ...It’s an increasingly surreal situation for the Bremerton schools. They were ordered to “reinstate Coach Kennedy to a football coaching position,” according to court documents. But the now-famous coach is out on the conservative celebrity circuit, continuing to tell a story about “the prayer that got me fired” — even though Bremerton never actually fired him. ...“He was not terminated,” Bevers said. The head coach at the time had moved on, as did most of the coaching staff.

...“You can’t sue them for failing to rehire you if you didn’t apply,” one lawyer, Mercer Island’s Michael Tierney, argued during a lower court session. “The District didn’t get an application from him, had four positions to fill and filled them with people who had applied. It didn’t fail to rehire him.” The Supreme Court simply ignored this inconvenient fact — along with a host of others. At one point during oral arguments, as a different school district attorney was saying the narrative that had been spun didn’t fit with the facts — that the coach’s prayers were neither silent nor solitary, nor was he fired — Justice Samuel Alito interrupted him, saying “I know that you want to make this very complicated.”

...“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito. In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now. It’s as if the justices wanted to script an ending for a Christian redemption movie. But real life isn’t cooperating."

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It's difficult to defend the legitimacy of the court when it's decisions, like this, are nonsense.
 
j brown's body said:
"When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that Bremerton assistant football coach Joseph Kennedy had the right to pray on the field, it wasn’t widely understood then that the court had also ordered the school district to give him his job back. ...It’s an increasingly surreal situation for the Bremerton schools. They were ordered to “reinstate Coach Kennedy to a football coaching position,” according to court documents. But the now-famous coach is out on the conservative celebrity circuit, continuing to tell a story about “the prayer that got me fired” — even though Bremerton never actually fired him. ...“He was not terminated,” Bevers said. The head coach at the time had moved on, as did most of the coaching staff.

...“You can’t sue them for failing to rehire you if you didn’t apply,” one lawyer, Mercer Island’s Michael Tierney, argued during a lower court session. “The District didn’t get an application from him, had four positions to fill and filled them with people who had applied. It didn’t fail to rehire him.” The Supreme Court simply ignored this inconvenient fact — along with a host of others. At one point during oral arguments, as a different school district attorney was saying the narrative that had been spun didn’t fit with the facts — that the coach’s prayers were neither silent nor solitary, nor was he fired — Justice Samuel Alito interrupted him, saying “I know that you want to make this very complicated.”

...“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito. In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now. It’s as if the justices wanted to script an ending for a Christian redemption movie. But real life isn’t cooperating."

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It's difficult to defend the legitimacy of the court when it's decisions, like this, are nonsense.
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Alito is paying dividends, and coach Kennedy is quite the grifter; we in the MAGAsphere love grifters, and we love our new MAGA majority on the Supreme Court.

MAGA.
 
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No surprise here. There are reactionary members of the SC determined to apply their politics to decision making.
 
j brown's body said:
"When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that Bremerton assistant football coach Joseph Kennedy had the right to pray on the field, it wasn’t widely understood then that the court had also ordered the school district to give him his job back. ...It’s an increasingly surreal situation for the Bremerton schools. They were ordered to “reinstate Coach Kennedy to a football coaching position,” according to court documents. But the now-famous coach is out on the conservative celebrity circuit, continuing to tell a story about “the prayer that got me fired” — even though Bremerton never actually fired him. ...“He was not terminated,” Bevers said. The head coach at the time had moved on, as did most of the coaching staff.

...“You can’t sue them for failing to rehire you if you didn’t apply,” one lawyer, Mercer Island’s Michael Tierney, argued during a lower court session. “The District didn’t get an application from him, had four positions to fill and filled them with people who had applied. It didn’t fail to rehire him.” The Supreme Court simply ignored this inconvenient fact — along with a host of others. At one point during oral arguments, as a different school district attorney was saying the narrative that had been spun didn’t fit with the facts — that the coach’s prayers were neither silent nor solitary, nor was he fired — Justice Samuel Alito interrupted him, saying “I know that you want to make this very complicated.”

...“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito. In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now. It’s as if the justices wanted to script an ending for a Christian redemption movie. But real life isn’t cooperating."

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It's difficult to defend the legitimacy of the court when it's decisions, like this, are nonsense.
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If he was on "paid leave", he was not engaged in a coaching position. The court ordered him reinstated to a coaching position. That doesn't mean he has to apply for a coaching position. It means the school has to give him a coaching position.

Now...the fact that he doesn't appear to WANT a coaching position now is irrelevant. The court didn't order him to accept a coaching position.

Logic is your friend.
 
Mycroft said:
If he was on "paid leave", he was not engaged in a coaching position. The court ordered him reinstated to a coaching position. That doesn't mean he has to apply for a coaching position. It means the school has to give him a coaching position.

Now...the fact that he doesn't appear to WANT a coaching position now is irrelevant. The court didn't order him to accept a coaching position.

Logic is your friend.
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I see great things for Coach Kennedy in the future, perhaps as a Senator.

MAGA.
 
Mycroft said:
If he was on "paid leave", he was not engaged in a coaching position. The court ordered him reinstated to a coaching position. That doesn't mean he has to apply for a coaching position. It means the school has to give him a coaching position.

Now...the fact that he doesn't appear to WANT a coaching position now is irrelevant. The court didn't order him to accept a coaching position.

Logic is your friend.
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Then terminate him for cause....
 
BlueTex said:
Then terminate him for cause....
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They can't "terminate" him if he doesn't have a job with them. Since he didn't apply, they didn't hire him.
 
Mycroft said:
They can't "terminate" him if he doesn't have a job with them. Since he didn't apply, they didn't hire him.
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He wasn't fired so he does have a job with them. They can't terminate him because the court has required them to re-enstate him.
 
j brown's body said:
"When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that Bremerton assistant football coach Joseph Kennedy had the right to pray on the field, it wasn’t widely understood then that the court had also ordered the school district to give him his job back. ...It’s an increasingly surreal situation for the Bremerton schools. They were ordered to “reinstate Coach Kennedy to a football coaching position,” according to court documents. But the now-famous coach is out on the conservative celebrity circuit, continuing to tell a story about “the prayer that got me fired” — even though Bremerton never actually fired him. ...“He was not terminated,” Bevers said. The head coach at the time had moved on, as did most of the coaching staff.

...“You can’t sue them for failing to rehire you if you didn’t apply,” one lawyer, Mercer Island’s Michael Tierney, argued during a lower court session. “The District didn’t get an application from him, had four positions to fill and filled them with people who had applied. It didn’t fail to rehire him.” The Supreme Court simply ignored this inconvenient fact — along with a host of others. At one point during oral arguments, as a different school district attorney was saying the narrative that had been spun didn’t fit with the facts — that the coach’s prayers were neither silent nor solitary, nor was he fired — Justice Samuel Alito interrupted him, saying “I know that you want to make this very complicated.”

...“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito. In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now. It’s as if the justices wanted to script an ending for a Christian redemption movie. But real life isn’t cooperating."

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It's difficult to defend the legitimacy of the court when it's decisions, like this, are nonsense.
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When you add the lack of having all the facts in this case to the historically weak claims made in Dobbes, maybe they aren't ideological. Maybe they're just bad at their jobs?
 
j brown's body said:
He wasn't fired so he does have a job with them. They can't terminate him because the court has required them to re-enstate him.
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As I said, they cannot terminate him if he doesn't have a job.

They did not reinstate him as the court ordered.
 
j brown's body said:
"When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that Bremerton assistant football coach Joseph Kennedy had the right to pray on the field, it wasn’t widely understood then that the court had also ordered the school district to give him his job back. ...It’s an increasingly surreal situation for the Bremerton schools. They were ordered to “reinstate Coach Kennedy to a football coaching position,” according to court documents. But the now-famous coach is out on the conservative celebrity circuit, continuing to tell a story about “the prayer that got me fired” — even though Bremerton never actually fired him. ...“He was not terminated,” Bevers said. The head coach at the time had moved on, as did most of the coaching staff.

...“You can’t sue them for failing to rehire you if you didn’t apply,” one lawyer, Mercer Island’s Michael Tierney, argued during a lower court session. “The District didn’t get an application from him, had four positions to fill and filled them with people who had applied. It didn’t fail to rehire him.” The Supreme Court simply ignored this inconvenient fact — along with a host of others. At one point during oral arguments, as a different school district attorney was saying the narrative that had been spun didn’t fit with the facts — that the coach’s prayers were neither silent nor solitary, nor was he fired — Justice Samuel Alito interrupted him, saying “I know that you want to make this very complicated.”

...“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito. In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now. It’s as if the justices wanted to script an ending for a Christian redemption movie. But real life isn’t cooperating."

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It's difficult to defend the legitimacy of the court when it's decisions, like this, are nonsense.
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Except that they are not nonsense. The District would not have had those vacancies if they had not removed him from his coaching position. Therefore, regardless whether he reapplied for the position or not, the District must reinstate him to his former position since he was removed without cause. As Justice Alito alluded, it is that simple.

What the coach wants to do after being reinstated is entirely up to him, but the District has no choice in this matter.
 
j brown's body said:
"When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that Bremerton assistant football coach Joseph Kennedy had the right to pray on the field, it wasn’t widely understood then that the court had also ordered the school district to give him his job back. ...It’s an increasingly surreal situation for the Bremerton schools. They were ordered to “reinstate Coach Kennedy to a football coaching position,” according to court documents. But the now-famous coach is out on the conservative celebrity circuit, continuing to tell a story about “the prayer that got me fired” — even though Bremerton never actually fired him. ...“He was not terminated,” Bevers said. The head coach at the time had moved on, as did most of the coaching staff.

...“You can’t sue them for failing to rehire you if you didn’t apply,” one lawyer, Mercer Island’s Michael Tierney, argued during a lower court session. “The District didn’t get an application from him, had four positions to fill and filled them with people who had applied. It didn’t fail to rehire him.” The Supreme Court simply ignored this inconvenient fact — along with a host of others. At one point during oral arguments, as a different school district attorney was saying the narrative that had been spun didn’t fit with the facts — that the coach’s prayers were neither silent nor solitary, nor was he fired — Justice Samuel Alito interrupted him, saying “I know that you want to make this very complicated.”

...“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito. In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now. It’s as if the justices wanted to script an ending for a Christian redemption movie. But real life isn’t cooperating."

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It's difficult to defend the legitimacy of the court when it's decisions, like this, are nonsense.
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Alito sounds pretty based in this exchange, good for him for not falling for this leftist trick of coming up with paragraphs of verbal diarrhea to complicate a simple case. Sometimes dumb leftists just need to be told to shut up because I don’t want to listen to their nonsense and then use the whip hand to force their compliance. Their only technique is “having a conversation” good for Alito for not falling for the game.
 
mrjurrs said:
When you add the lack of having all the facts in this case to the historically weak claims made in Dobbes, maybe they aren't ideological. Maybe they're just bad at their jobs?
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Cry more
 
Blue Dog said:
No surprise here. There are reactionary members of the SC determined to apply their politics to decision making.
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Like Sotomayor, or Kagan, or the late RBG?
 
I mean we all know why leftists really are upset, because America was a fundamentally Christian nation and in the 1950s an element of American leftists including socialists and communists (no joke, Madalyn Murray O Hair literally tried to defect to the Soviet Union, who rejected her because they thought she’d be a trouble maker) uprooted the entire legal tradition of America by getting the Supreme Court to mandate state atheism in schools, no democracy, no legislation, no public comment, no will of the people involved. Just the dictat of the peoples commisariat of the Supreme Court. Now that after decades of political involvement by Christians and many elections won to install the right presidents, senators and judges this affront to democracy is being rolled back and the left is terrified. State atheism can only exist if coerced and if schools can push religion to students it is a major blow to left political hegemony. This has nothing to do with the “civil rights” of “religious minorities” there is no such thing as a true believing Muslim who believes in seperation of religion and state. This is about imposing secularism on families that don’t want it
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I mean we all know why leftists really are upset, because America was a fundamentally Christian nation and in the 1950s an element of American leftists including socialists and communists (no joke, Madalyn Murray O Hair literally tried to defect to the Soviet Union, who rejected her because they thought she’d be a trouble maker) uprooted the entire legal tradition of America by getting the Supreme Court to mandate state atheism in schools, no democracy, no legislation, no public comment, no will of the people involved. Just the dictat of the peoples commisariat of the Supreme Court. Now that after decades of political involvement by Christians and many elections won to install the right presidents, senators and judges this affront to democracy is being rolled back and the left is terrified. State atheism can only exist if coerced and if schools can push religion to students it is a major blow to left political hegemony. This has nothing to do with the “civil rights” of “religious minorities” there is no such thing as a true believing Muslim who believes in seperation of religion and state. This is about imposing secularism on families that don’t want it
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Freedom of religion implies freedom from it as well. Otherwise, there’s no point to the amendment.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
because America was a fundamentally Christian nation
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Demonstrably false!
EMNofSeattle said:
and in the 1950s an element of American leftists including socialists and communists (no joke, Madalyn Murray O Hair literally tried to defect to the Soviet Union, who rejected her because they thought she’d be a trouble maker) uprooted the entire legal tradition of America by getting the Supreme Court to mandate state atheism in schools, no democracy, no legislation, no public comment, no will of the people involved. Just the dictat of the peoples commisariat of the Supreme Court.
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Wow, that's some wild conspiracy theory you have there!
EMNofSeattle said:
Now that after decades of political involvement by Christians and many elections won to install the right presidents, senators and judges this affront to democracy is being rolled back and the left is terrified. State atheism can only exist if coerced and if schools can push religion to students it is a major blow to left political hegemony.
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State atheism would be against the Constitution, just as state theism is.
EMNofSeattle said:
This has nothing to do with the “civil rights” of “religious minorities” there is no such thing as a true believing Muslim who believes in seperation of religion and state.
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Sweeping generalization.
EMNofSeattle said:
This is about imposing secularism on families that don’t want it
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Secularism is not a religion.
 
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