iamjack said:You're right. Let's abolish the constitution.
According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.
The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.
In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves
1) Slave ownersChe said:
That is a sad truth of the past, but nearly all societies (certainly European societies) were this way at the time. America most certainly wasn't alone in this respect.GarzaUK said:Slaves weren't the only people thought to be "unequal". Women didn't get to votes until c1900 and white non-land owners didn't get the vote until 1820's. The founding fathers and land owners were lords and dukes in all but name.
Why? It works.Che said:Not abolish but I'm just saying that it's kind of messed up that we base all of our countries decision on weither or not the constitution supports its.
-Demosthenes- said:Why? It works.
TurtleDude said:BINGO we have a winner. CHe is pssed that Socialism is a joke and socialism and the other strains of that illness have killed over 100 million people in the last 100 years
socialism is a mental illness while the constitution is a vaccine against such a virus
-Demosthenes- said:1) Slave owners
Only about a third of the writers of the Constitution were Slave owners, and some of the slave owners wrote that slavery was immoral, and supported some sort of gradual emancipation. Further, nothing in the Constitution endorsed slavery.
Nothing in the Constitution says anything about race. The Demographics of America at the time was English, German, Dutch, and other Western/Northern Europeans. There had been little immigration from eastern Europe or other places yet, the people of America were mostly white, and so were the delegates, I fail to see your point.
What in the Constitution supports Christian values?
Why? It works.
Che said:You're absolutely right! Nothing in the constitution says anything about
whites, christians, or slave owners but you can bet your ass that those type of people were the only ones to live out the constitution until very recently.
Imagine if a third of this country were part of the KKK. If they actually supported the emancipation, then why did it take until 1965?
Whites had a majority, but Blacks were second biggest but didn't have a single delegate.
It still says in Tenessee laws that Theory of Evolution is not allowed to be taught in schools. Although rarely enforced present day, it wasn't until the 1920's that people started to question the law. Today, people are suiting and making news channels broadcast the fact that stores now say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.
If none of this allowed by the constitution, then why wasn't it all put an end to until recently.
btw It may work but all I'm saying is that we've stopped using our morals and started using the constitution.
Che said:Not abolish but I'm just saying that it's kind of messed up that we base all of our countries decision on weither or not the constitution supports its.
Che said:BINGO you can't spell pissed Trailer Trash turtle. Socialism is not the same as Stalinism. Stalinism killed 100 million not Communism or Socialism. If you read up on Marx not just bunch all leftist views together, then you'd realize that Communism and Socialism don't actually involve killing.
Harshaw said:You do know that Ernesto Guevara was an avowed Stalinist who was actually ushered out of Moscow because he was too extreme?
You do know that Ernesto Guevara was responsible for creating the labor camp system in post-revolution Cuba which rounded up and executed, among others, ethnic minorities, homosexuals, and the Castro regime's political enemies, solely on the basis of being ethinic minorities, homosexuals, and political enemies?
You do know that it was Ernesto Guevara who pushed for totalitarianism in post-revolution Cuba when others in Castro's regime were pushing for true democracy with full civil liberties?
You do know that as commandant of the La Cabana fortress/prison, Guevara was particularly keen on performing the executions -- a bullet to the back of the neck -- himself (one of the victims being a small boy who stole some food, who was dispatched without trial), and rather enjoyed walking people past the blood-stained execution wall?
Can't understand why people would revere the US Constitution, the best governmental foundation yet devised, the finest bulwark against tyranny ever devised, because some of its authors were slave owners? Check your self-styled moniker, dude, and ask yourself who's being historically duped.
Che said:WOW where did you get this crap from? This is worse then Navy Pride and Trajan put together :lol: :roll: !
Che actually MISTRUSTED the soviets if you actually knew anything about him. One of the reasons he left CUba was because he thought Castro was becoming too much under Soviet power. Che had grown up poor and didn't support communism because of greed and corruption as alot of Cons
critics try to make him out to have done. Che supported it because of all those poor people out there. Those dying but couldn't afford food or medicine because they don't have any paper bills with white presidents smiling.
I want to see proof about these labor camps that he ran, and these executions that he preformed lol. Anyhow, didn't you hear about the concentration camps we had here in America for Japenese Americans? They were uprooted from there homes and taken to desert desolate jails where many times they didn't have enough rations.
The thing I hate about Cons is that they think that all communism is Stalinism even though they have never read a single word of Marx. It was Che who pushed for MARXISM not STALINISM as you claim. The whole country and revolution was behind his ideas. If you recall the people had just REVOLTED against a US backed democracracy let by the tyrant Batista.
Your claims are are falcy with no proof whatsoever. They are just Conservative tactics used to diminish the Socialist dream.
Che said:"His execution of deserters and spies in the revolutionary army, have led some to consider Guevara a ruthless leader. However those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. For example, Dwight D. Eisenhower signed orders for imprisoned troops that had deserted to be executed. In 1959, Che Guevara was appointed commander of the La Cabana Fortress prison. During his term as commander of the fortress from 1959-1963, he oversaw the execution of what some estimate to be approximately 500 political prisoners and regime opponents. Many individuals imprisoned at La Cabana, such as poet and human rights activist Armando Valladares, allege that Guevara took particular and personal interest in the interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners. In fact, when Che's column had captured enemy soldiers who had not committed crimes against the public, such as rape and torture, he would simply take their ammo and release them."
All in the link you provided.