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the situation of the Uigurs in China

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What is happening to the Uigurs in China may be called a genocide

The Uyghur genocide is the ongoing series of human rights abuses perpetrated by the Chinese government against the Uyghur people and other ethnic and religious minorities in and around the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) of the People's Republic of China.

Since 2014,[4] the Chinese government, under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) during the administration of CCP general secretary Xi Jinping, has pursued policies leading to more than one million Muslims[5][6][7][8][9] (the majority of them Uyghurs) being held in secretive internment camps without any legal process[10][11] in what has become the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since the Holocaust.[12][13]

Critics of the policy have described it as the Sinicization of Xinjiang and have called it an ethnocide or cultural genocide,[20] while some governments, activists, independent NGOs, human rights experts, academics, government officials, and the East Turkistan Government-in-Exile have called it a genocide.
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More about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

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Have you heard or read about this genocide?
 
Rumpel said:
What is happening to the Uigurs in China may be called a genocide



More about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

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"May" be? IS a genocide.

The sad part is that trump missed a golden opportunity here. If he had ever calmed down and decided to think like an adult--two things he was obviously incapable of doing--he could have taken the moral high ground on this one. There were ways to bring this genocide to the spotlight, but instead he preferred to waste his political capital on narcissistic Twitter rants.
 
Yes. We even have an apologist and a half for it in here.
 
Cultural re-education (cultural genocide)
Forced abortions/sterilizations
torture
rape
forced labor
organ-harvesting

Yeah...i'd say some bad shit is going on in China in regards to the Uighurs. Unfortunately....
However any establishment of an International Criminal Tribunal would require the approval of the UN Security Council, of which China is a permanent member with veto power, making any hearing on the allegations of genocide in Xinjiang unlikely.

China Xinjiang: First independent report into Uyghur genocide allegations claims evidence of Beijing's 'intent to destroy' Muslim minorities - CNN
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First of all, the UN needs to take away China's veto power. Then hold a vote on an ICT.
 
Rumpel said:
How does one do this?
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Umm, I don't think the UN has a mechanic for that, since I think that decision would need to be made in the Security Council, where China simply would veto it. And if it's not in the Security Council but the General Assembly, then good luck getting a majority behind it, with Chinese investments steering many countrie's policy towards the PRC.
 
Rumpel said:
What is happening to the Uigurs in China may be called a genocide



More about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

Did you know about all that?
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Get ready for more of the same. We saw what China did with Hong Kong. Arrested 53 people they accused as traitors, never to be seen again. This is what Communists do.
I predict they will take over Taiwan with its 24 million people. What will Biden and the Democrats do about it? Absolutely nothing. You wonder if the Soros-paid media will even cover it.

Xinping, who appointed himself dictator for life 2018 is on a purging rampage. And to to think a poll of America leftwingers last year said Trump was the greater threat to world peace than Xinping. These people are just too stupid and partisan for words.
 
Mashmont said:
Get ready for more of the same. We saw what China did with Hong Kong. Arrested 53 people they accused as traitors, never to be seen again. This is what Communists do.
I predict they will take over Taiwan with its 24 million people. What will Biden and the Democrats do about it? Absolutely nothing. You wonder if the Soros-paid media will even cover it.

Xinping, who appointed himself dictator for life 2018 is on a purging rampage. And to to think a poll of America leftwingers last year said Trump was the greater threat to world peace than Xinping. These people are just too stupid and partisan for words.
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Taiwan will not face the same fate if they are not stupid enough to join back into China. And Soros? Ooh yes, the rich leftist that is the rights fantasy boogeyman whom they blame all the problems of the world on. And I assume you are trying to say Xi Jinping?

He too in time will disappear from power. And to be honest, Xi Jinping might be a dangerous fella, he is not unhinged, like Trump is unhinged. So in the short time Trump was the biggest danger. And we cannot look into the future so we do not know what Xi Jinping will grow out to become.
 
Peter King said:
Taiwan will not face the same fate if they are not stupid enough to join back into China. And Soros? Ooh yes, the rich leftist that is the rights fantasy boogeyman whom they blame all the problems of the world on. And I assume you are trying to say Xi Jinping?

He too in time will disappear from power. And to be honest, Xi Jinping might be a dangerous fella, he is not unhinged, like Trump is unhinged. So in the short time Trump was the biggest danger. And we cannot look into the future so we do not know what Xi Jinping will grow out to become.
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More stupid talk. Taiwan wouldn't have a choice, is the point.
 
Mashmont said:
I predict they will take over Taiwan with its 24 million people. What will Biden and the Democrats do about it? Absolutely nothing.
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So you're now blaming Biden for things that haven't happened? Sad.
 
joluoto said:
Taiwan is not controlled by the PRC, that's the difference.
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What does that have to do with anything? Jinping thinks Taiwan is rightfully China's, and he will take it back by force. The Democrats will sit on their hands and do nothing.
 
Allan said:
So you're now blaming Biden for things that haven't happened? Sad.
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Democrats are in bed with China. There is no way they will do anything if China invades Taiwan.
 
Mashmont said:
What does that have to do with anything? Jinping thinks Taiwan is rightfully China's, and he will take it back by force. The Democrats will sit on their hands and do nothing.
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There is a reason the PRC hasn't done it, and while the US is one reason (and remains one reason), the other is there is very few places you can land an invasion on Taiwan, it has quite hostile coastal terrain, and the few beaches that exists are well fortified by the Taiwanese army, meaning any invasion force will run into a meatgrinder. The PRC are not interested in winning a bloody conflict, especially if the West becomes involved, and they have no reason to believe the West won't become involved.

The PRC will try to do other things though, like taking over more small unihabited islands between PRC and Taiwan, in order to redirect trade. One of the things they can do is to isolate Taiwan more through strongly suggesting other Asian countries to stop trading with them.
 
My understanding from Paul Krugman is that both Uighurs are doing just fine. "Those two men have food and water, clothing, and a GE washing machine box to sleep in. Don't believe the genocide rumors."
 
Mashmont said:
More stupid talk. Taiwan wouldn't have a choice, is the point.
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Well they have been threatened for decades but they have still had the choice to say no to China.
 
joluoto said:
There is a reason the PRC hasn't done it, and while the US is one reason (and remains one reason), the other is there is very few places you can land an invasion on Taiwan, it has quite hostile coastal terrain, and the few beaches that exists are well fortified by the Taiwanese army, meaning any invasion force will run into a meatgrinder. The PRC are not interested in winning a bloody conflict, especially if the West becomes involved, and they have no reason to believe the West won't become involved.

The PRC will try to do other things though, like taking over more small unihabited islands between PRC and Taiwan, in order to redirect trade. One of the things they can do is to isolate Taiwan more through strongly suggesting other Asian countries to stop trading with them.
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You apparently don't understand the ruthless and imperialist nature of Jinping, the self-appointed dictator for life. America is his end game. Taiwan is another piece along the way.
Rumpel said:
What is happening to the Uigurs in China may be called a genocide



More about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

Did you know about all that?
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The only reason this is in this news is because it’s Muslims. China’s 10 million Catholics are undergoing untold hardships also as a result of the Jinping crackdown. Remember, this is the guy American Democrats said was not as a big a threat as Trump.
 
Mashmont said:
You apparently don't understand the ruthless and imperialist nature of Jinping, the self-appointed dictator for life. America is his end game. Taiwan is another piece along the way.

The only reason this is in this news is because it’s Muslims. China’s 10 million Catholics are undergoing untold hardships also as a result of the Jinping crackdown. Remember, this is the guy American Democrats said was not as a big a threat as Trump.
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Jinping's end game is staying in power. The CPC has two factions, the Pro-Business faction and the Hardliners, Xi allied with the hardliners a few years ago, and thus they are basically in charge, but Xi will always do what's best for him at the moment (which might mean he'll side with the Pro- Business faction again in the future). He doesn't really care about the US, and he certainly doesn't want a war with America. What he wants is increasing Chinese influence where he can and where it is easy. Invading Taiwan wouldn't be easy (and could lead to war with the US, which he wants to avoid).
 
joluoto said:
Jinping's end game is staying in power. The CPC has two factions, the Pro-Business faction and the Hardliners, Xi allied with the hardliners a few years ago, and thus they are basically in charge, but Xi will always do what's best for him at the moment (which might mean he'll side with the Pro- Business faction again in the future). He doesn't really care about the US, and he certainly doesn't want a war with America. What he wants is increasing Chinese influence where he can and where it is easy. Invading Taiwan wouldn't be easy (and could lead to war with the US, which he wants to avoid).
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Who in the current Democrat leadership is going to lift a finger to go against China? Trump isn’t there, you know.
 
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