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The Rise of the Right-Wing Media Machine

Did you reply to the right post? The word liberal isn't even in his post, and your comment doesn't appear to respond to his.
yes... that was a comment that belonged on another thread...
 
Not much triggers or surprises me anymore when it comes to Republicans. I love it when they refuse to see what the Republican Party has turned into while they are at rallies with Nazi and confederate flags and people with 6mwne t-shirts on... They just can't seem to put 2+2 together.. lol...

They're blind as hell as to what's happening, or maybe they like fooling themselves... It's like people who constantly say they aren't a Republican or a Trump fan, but constantly defend and support both... Happens HERE on this site almost daily.. doesn't it?
My Apology... my previous comment posted on wrong thread... (I have multiple tabs open on my browser)
 
Bogus Chart Here

That chart is horse pucky... This is the most accurate one I've found and it comes from Allsides.com... and I'm not the one who first posted it here:

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When you're talking about where people get their news and the bias of that news:

Of the top10 best selling newspapers, 8 of them report their news with a political bias:
Liberal biased newspapers sell 3 times as many papers per day than conservative biased ones.​
Of the top 10 most visited newspaper websites, 8 of them report their news with a political bias:
Liberal biased newspaper websites have nearly 5 times as many unique monthly visitors as conservative biased ones do.​

Nightly ratings for the top cable and network news programs (excluding PBS):
8.6 million - ABS World News Tonight​
7.9 million - NBC Nightly News​
5.8 million - CBS Evening News​
3.2 million - Fox News Special Report​

Internet news websites (excluding business and sports news):
9 of the 10 most popular have a liberal bias (Fox News is conservative and ranked 3rd)​

How anyone can argue that mainstream news in America doesn't have a liberal bias, and that it isn't dominated by that liberal bias, is a total mystery to me... My best guess it's a combination of political blindness and straight forward dishonesty.

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That chart is horse pucky... This is the most accurate one I've found and it comes from Allsides.com... and I'm not the one who first posted it here:

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When you're talking about where people get their news and the bias of that news:

Of the top10 best selling newspapers, 8 of them report their news with a political bias:
Liberal biased newspapers sell 3 times as many papers per day than conservative biased ones.​
Of the top 10 most visited newspaper websites, 8 of them report their news with a political bias:
Liberal biased newspaper websites have nearly 5 times as many unique monthly visitors as conservative biased ones do.​

Nightly ratings for the top cable and network news programs (excluding PBS):
8.6 million - ABS World News Tonight​
7.9 million - NBC Nightly News​
5.8 million - CBS Evening News​
3.2 million - Fox News Special Report​

Internet news websites (excluding business and sports news):
9 of the 10 most popular have a liberal bias (Fox News is conservative and ranked 3rd)​

How anyone can argue that mainstream news in America doesn't have a liberal bias, and that it isn't dominated by that liberal bias, is a total mystery to me... My best guess it's a combination of political blindness and straight forward dishonesty.

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Well, that chart has MANY of the news sources in the same spots as the one I posted so, there you go.

AND it has the news sources that I trust in the center as well. Of course no Trumptard would claim it is accurate.
 
You may not like homosexual and they report about homosexual... but just because someone does not like homosexuals, does not make them not exist.
Uh huh. And is the media rabidly pro-LGBTQXYZ... or is it rabidly anti-LGBTQXYZ? Which of these two positions is right wing?

The same has happen in black families, where they did not want their son or daughter to marry someone of a different race, but when they did, and the kids were born, they came to the same appreciation.
Uh huh. And is the media rabidly pro-interracial-relationship or is it rabidly anti-interracial-relationship? Which of these two positions is right wing?

MSN, CNN... report lots of stuff "we'd prefer did not happen in life"... such as the exposure of corruptions, the malice of people with money and power, as well as religions that delude people and anything that is news.
Uh huh. And are the people being attacked on CNN and MSN mostly right-wing Americans, institutions, and politicians, or are they mostly left-wing Americans, institutions, and politicians? Which of these two behaviours is right wing?

Everything else in #34 might be pertinent to a debate on whether the MSM's overt left-wing bias is a good thing, but it either has no relevance to the issue of whether the media is biased or it clearly supports the argument that the MSM is biased left.

The senses in which the MSM is "right wing" is that they're consistently in favour of more government control, more war, more surveillance, more corporatism, and less personal freedom in literally any sense not related to sex. However, I put "right wing" in quotes because most of these biases have become (or are rapidly becoming) very welcome by the political left.

The MSM's worst quality has nothing to do with "right" or "left". If had only one criticism to level at the MSM, it's that they love love love to stir up crap--as much crap as can possibly be stirred up and thrown around--in vain attempts to bestow upon themselves a sense of importance in a world that increasingly doesn't care what they have to say.

If they can burn a bridge, tick off a foreign country, foment a race war, burn down a city, get mobs of protestors at each other's throats, exalt a demagogue, demonize a peace lover, pit women against men, pit rich against poor, pit white against black, pit West against East, pit religion against secularism, or stir up crap in literally any way, you'll find them happily stirring away with a big MSM grin on their face.

Is that right wing or left wing? You tell me?
 
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The MSM's worst quality has nothing to do with "right" or "left". If had only one criticism to level at the MSM, it's that they love love love to stir up crap--as much crap as can possibly be stirred up and thrown around--in vain attempts to bestow upon themselves a sense of importance in a world that increasingly doesn't care what they have to say.

If they can burn a bridge, tick off a foreign country, foment a race war, burn down a city, get mobs of protestors at each other's throats, exalt a demagogue, demonize a peace lover, pit women against men, pit rich against poor, pit white against black, pit West against East, pit religion against secularism, or stir up crap in literally any way, you'll find them happily stirring away with a big MSM grin on their face.

You call it stirring up crap... "that's the exact same thing white people said, every time over the long history and currently when black people speak about "Equality in Civic and Civil Right for All Persons".. It's more an address when the topic comes up; to promote 'abolishing the crap of racism and segregationist ideology".
That crap was created by white people, that led to slavery, and followed by 100 yrs of the Jim Crow inequality promoted during segregation and the has persisted over the past 56 yrs of "conservatives" willful motivations to try and ignore it and claim it does not exist, while they contain themselves within rural and gerrymandered enclaves, with people trying to hold on to the promotions of white nationalism, while having an attack mentality against any who stand up for the free choice of people to live as individuals without racial prejudice against people who are non white, or gender bias that seeks to try and fit women into a "small box", or trying to ostracize people who have different sexual proclivities in gender preference.
The stronger Conservatives promote bias, the more the media will continue to speak positive about the freedoms of people to choose for themselves, about what that Conservative bias is directed toward and who it is directed upon when it comes to these matters of race, gender and sexual mate choices.

To many of the Right Wing Conservatives, they were and some are fine with how it use to be, because it did not affect them in the ways that it did non white people, they had first choice in anything and everything, first option and they promoted a system as if they had the sole right to ration out "rights, privileges' and generalized freedoms.
Many Conservatives don't like it because MSN won't submit to White Nationalism and White Nationalist Ideology. you just confirmed that point and fact in your commentary.
and your questions of if homosexuality is good or bad. (as if you get to make that choice for other individuals) and your question of inter-racial marriages being good or bad, (as if you think you get to make that choice for other individuals)
Neither of those things does anyone who make those choices care that you personally may not like it, not even in ones on family.

People don't like Conservatism's Ideology, because it always thinks it can tell people "how to live"... and that is straight out of the long history of white nationalist ideology... thinking they can tell people, what rights they have and when they can and cannot have them, and how to conduct their lives and how to live their lives...
This is an incessant theme of the 'Affliction of White Nationalist Supremacy Delusions" within those who stake their claim in Conservatism.

Reality is simple... One in life should have a hand full managing their own life... rather than trying to dictate and push manipulative efforts to control the lives of others.

One should study the sociology factors that came out of the Vietnam War Era.... when men came back... "respecting each other", because they learned to do so in those jungles and environments, they depended on each other and they found they needed each other, and they came to respect the whole of the person of each other, they came to learn they could take and follow orders from each other, regardless of skin tone and ethnicity. People learn those same lessons in Sports... The problem is in general society, people play the segregation game and are blind to the fact that "we are all Americans" and what is done to one of us as individual, affects the whole of us as a society.
 
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Uh huh. And is the media rabidly pro-LGBTQXYZ... or is it rabidly anti-LGBTQXYZ? Which of these two positions is right wing?


Uh huh. And is the media rabidly pro-interracial-relationship or is it rabidly anti-interracial-relationship? Which of these two positions is right wing?


Uh huh. And are the people being attacked on CNN and MSN mostly right-wing Americans, institutions, and politicians, or are they mostly left-wing Americans, institutions, and politicians? Which of these two behaviours is right wing?

Everything else in #34 might be pertinent to a debate on whether the MSM's overt left-wing bias is a good thing, but it either has no relevance to the issue of whether the media is biased or it clearly supports the argument that the MSM is biased left.

The senses in which the MSM is "right wing" is that they're consistently in favour of more government control, more war, more surveillance, more corporatism, and less personal freedom in literally any sense not related to sex. However, I put "right wing" in quotes because most of these biases have become (or are rapidly becoming) very welcome by the political left.

The MSM's worst quality has nothing to do with "right" or "left". If had only one criticism to level at the MSM, it's that they love love love to stir up crap--as much crap as can possibly be stirred up and thrown around--in vain attempts to bestow upon themselves a sense of importance in a world that increasingly doesn't care what they have to say.

If they can burn a bridge, tick off a foreign country, foment a race war, burn down a city, get mobs of protestors at each other's throats, exalt a demagogue, demonize a peace lover, pit women against men, pit rich against poor, pit white against black, pit West against East, pit religion against secularism, or stir up crap in literally any way, you'll find them happily stirring away with a big MSM grin on their face.

Is that right wing or left wing? You tell me?

I've never seen a internet forum where people who have "Conservative" under their handle ... who did not continually spew and spin the want to "dictate" to others how to live and try to push their agenda of what is acceptable and not acceptable in society.
They don't stop and review their own lives and families... which is why we see such a massive rise in drug, drink and acts of attack and violence of many sorts... Some try to drown out the indoctrinations, other try to exercise it by attack and promotions of violence, and malicious discriminations.
When they find their way to break free of that indoctrination... they become more interactively social across the spectrum of multi-ethnic people and learn to enjoy and appreciate the vast variety of multi-cultural environments.
 
The "right wing media machine" has been around for years - as has the left wing media machine - aka as CBS, NBC, WaPo, NYT etc etc etc. It's always amusing how those on the left can't seen their own bias. The lack of self-awareness is both a cause and effect.



(A Must Read: For Republicans and Democrats)

The Rise of the Right-Wing Media Machine


Modern Day Republicanism has not seen a day, they did not awaken and arise without the "Let's attack and defeat something motivation" as the core agenda.

This current day right wing media of talking heads and right wing networks is the legacy of "Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan"...


((( Republican and Democrats NEED to Read This Article )))
It will help people understand how and why the malice making of Right Wing Media was created

  1. Nixon wanted to hide the mess made in Vietnam
  2. Reagan wanted to hide the mess made in Iran/Contra
  3. And a variety of other cover up were done by the agenda of "right wing media".
  4. They sell lies, create conspiracies, denigrate people, and organizations and the agenda is always to control the narrative to promote the lies and cover ups.


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The Rise of the Right-Wing Media Machine
History:
  • It was a theme that Nixon would repeat often. The president was convinced that “the press and TV don’t change their attitude and approach unless you hurt them,”
History
  • To make Nixon’s media “project” a reality over the past quarter century, conservatives spent hundreds of millions of dollars from a variety of deep-pocket patrons.
History
  • This conservative media machine now rivals—and may well surpass—the power and the influence of the old-line press. Both directly and indirectly, this right-wing media machine holds sway over much of the national agenda, deciding which ideas and individuals are accepted and which are marginalized.
History
  • The Myth of the ‘Liberal’ Press
  • Yet, despite the power of the right-wing media, conservatives still espouse the Nixonian notion that they are picked-upon victims, persecuted by some all-powerful “liberal” press. Indeed, for the past 25 years, this oft-repeated claim of a liberal media has been a catechism of conservative faith.
  • But the supposedly liberal press is, in reality, not liberal in any partisan sense at all. The vast majority of journalists in the mainstream press either operate as they should—that is, with nonideological “objectivity”—or they demonstrate a center-right political orientation.

History
  • the conservative accusation of “liberal” bias had rested on the thesis that an unpatriotic news media had “lost” the war in Vietnam. But this accusation was disproved by, among many other analysts, the US Army itself. In a book-length study (The Military and the Media, 1962–1968), Army historian William Hammond blamed the defeat on a poorly designed military strategy and the public revulsion at the numbers of American dead. As for the media’s role, Hammond wrote, “press reports were… more accurate than the public statements of the administration.”

History:
  • the conservative media’s success in containing the Iran/Contra scandal and turning the mainstream press against those who sought the truth marked a significant shift in national power.

  • For a fleeting time, the American people could count on the press to act as a constitutional watchdog to warn the nation about government wrongdoing. The crimes of Watergate, lies about the Vietnam War and abuses by the CIA were brought to light.

  • But, not coincidentally, Nixon saw this newly awakened press as his enemy and retaliated. His conservative allies set about building their own press establishment and intimidating honest journalists in the mainstream media. Now, a quarter century later, the US press needs to be challenged again to resume its constitutional mission.
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The act and agenda to cover up lies, promote conspiracies, and delude and mislead the people... has been the core premise of why Right Wing Media was created. (Read The Article and Learn)


Republicanism seek to "defeat".... where as; Democrat seeks to "promote"

(We continually see this fact, over and over between the two parties).​
 
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You call it stirring up crap... "that's the exact same thing white people said, every time over the long history and currently when black people speak about "Equality in Civic and Civil Right for All Persons"..
If the shoe fits...

The stronger Conservatives promote bias, the more the media will continue to speak positive about the freedoms of people to choose for themselves, about what that Conservative bias is directed toward and who it is directed upon when it comes to these matters of race, gender and sexual mate choices.
Slavery and segregation were abolished because majority social attitudes very slowly, steadily changed over centuries as men of different races cohabited in the same cities and nations, not because the media stirred up crap.

Quite the contrary: the net effect of media crap-stirring was and continues to be one of the biggest impediments to racial harmony in the Western world.

Many Conservatives don't like it because MSN won't submit to White Nationalism and White Nationalist Ideology. you just confirmed that point and fact in your commentary.
You can't or won't distinguish between white nationalism and opposition to spectacularly bad ideas, hence what am I supposed to say to this?

People don't like Conservatism's Ideology, because it always thinks it can tell people "how to live"... and that is straight out of the long history of white nationalist ideology... thinking they can tell people, what rights they have and when they can and cannot have them, and how to conduct their lives and how to live their lives...
Kind of like telling people how jumping off a cliff will kill them, or that the moon isn't made out of green cheese.

Conservatism hasn't historically been on the right side of every issue, and I've never claimed otherwise. But to the extent that conservatism has always acknowledged the existence of absolute moral and empirical truths, and asserted that no man of any race or creed is exempt from these truths, it's a far superior doctrine to the left's dithering relativism and foolish insistence that no one society, religion, or doctrine is superior to any other.

Reality is simple... One in life should have a hand full managing their own life... rather than trying to dictate and push manipulative efforts to control the lives of others.
So why do you vote? Why are you on this forum trying to influence the way others think and manage their lives? Why do you support any laws at all? The purpose of any law, sine qua non, is to dictate to control and manipulate the lives of the public. Should we just abolish all laws?

People learn those same lessons in Sports... The problem is in general society, people play the segregation game and are blind to the fact that "we are all Americans" and what is done to one of us as individual, affects the whole of us as a society.
Research who's plugging the pro-segregation argument in this day in age. It ain't the conservatives. Circa 2020, the most vocal proponents for measures that will drive a wedge straight through white and black--segregation, black-only schools, black-only neighbourhoods, reparations, defunding police forces, "autonomous zones", tearing down history--are on the far left side of the political spectrum. If you think segregation is mainly a right-wing problem, you're a good 50 years out of date.
 

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Conservatism:

Conservatism is a political and social philosophy promoting traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. The central tenets of conservatism include tradition, hierarchy, and authority, as established in respective cultures, as well as property rights.[1] Conservatives seek to preserve a range of institutions such as organized religion, parliamentary government, and property rights, with the aim of emphasizing continuity.[2] Adherents of conservatism often oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were"
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Liberalism

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.

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Define them as you choose.
 
Conservatism:

Conservatism is a political and social philosophy promoting traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. The central tenets of conservatism include tradition, hierarchy, and authority, as established in respective cultures, as well as property rights.[1] Conservatives seek to preserve a range of institutions such as organized religion, parliamentary government, and property rights, with the aim of emphasizing continuity.[2]

Liberalism

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.
You're making the mistake of equating the right wing with conservatism and the left wing with liberalism.

Such may have once been the case, but modern leftism--which I call progressivism precisely due to its dissembling classical liberalism--very much does not support free markets, free trade, limited government, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, capitalism, or (as I say) any individual rights not associated with sex. In other words, the modern right (particularly libertarianism) far more closely resembles classical liberalism than does the modern left.

Furthermore, many of the ideas and doctrines that progressives think are conducive to gender equality, racial equality, and freedom of the press are precisely the opposite. For example, I haven't yet met a progressive who opposes policing of the Internet for "fake news" by the Silicon Valley giants, or who disapproves of these same juggernauts deplatforming, blacklisting, and shutting down legions of conservative voices, many of who (like it or not) are journalists. The purging of conservatism from Facebook, Twitter, etc. is a left wing phenomenon.

It was the policies and ideas of the left that led to an epidemic of broken, single-family homes in black neighbourhoods, rampant drug abuse, inner cities abandoned by so-called "white flight", bankrupt municipalities with crumbling infrastructure and crippling liabilities, racism of low expectations enshrined in Affirmative Action, and a nascent race war based on identity politics. None of these things can reasonably be blamed on conservatives, the religious right you so revile, or the right wing in general. They're not a function of white supremacism or any kind of nationalism. They're the predictable consequence of the progressive policies of the past 50 years, and every single one of them will be made worse by the next generation of great progressive ideas about "equity" and "justice".

The media has been front and center helping to propagate progressive dogma and create these problems for as long as anyone reading this has been alive.
 
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I think all of us, have some Liberal and Conservative aspects within our thoughts and at times "life experiences" can alter such thoughts, one way and the other way.. It's quite likely "neither one" Liberal or Conservative is much for the "extremist" of either group".
Age as well plays a part in those aspects as well, because we are creatures of habit, and with age comes a slower process in how we change habits.

I like some things from the past, but not others, I like some things that are futuristic but not others.... its just the reality of how we adjust to change. One things remain a fact.... "Change" is Ever Presently Taking Place". We can't recreate the past, and We can't stop the future".

Simple Example of Change:
For a long time, I did not care much about "texting", very young people had a far different take on it... but... I see and utilize its benefits now. (that's how change comes into individuals) We as people, personalize things by chance, opportunity, circumstances, conditions, and necessity.

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Uh huh. And is the media rabidly pro-LGBTQXYZ... or is it rabidly anti-LGBTQXYZ? Which of these two positions is right wing?

Uh huh. And is the media rabidly pro-interracial-relationship or is it rabidly anti-interracial-relationship? Which of these two positions is right wing?

One thing you righties don't get is that these sort of bigotry issues aren't what powerful interests give a crap about. They are used to manipulate idiots to get their votes, which are used for what DOES matter to them, to get money.

A second thing you don't get is that the issue isn't being pro-gay or pro-interracial marriage; it's being pro discrimination against gay people or against discrimination, same with interracial marriage. To you righties, saying you can't fire/prevent marriage/jail/kill gay people is pro-gay. It is in the sense that being for equal rights is 'pro' the group, but you want to try to hide that the issue is your bigotry and your 'right' to harm with discrimination.
 
I think all of us, have some Liberal and Conservative aspects within our thoughts and at times "life experiences" can alter such thoughts, one way and the other way.. It's quite likely "neither one" Liberal or Conservative is much for the "extremist" of either group".
Age as well plays a part in those aspects as well, because we are creatures of habit, and with age comes a slower process in how we change habits.

I like some things from the past, but not others, I like some things that are futuristic but not others.... its just the reality of how we adjust to change. One things remain a fact.... "Change" is Ever Presently Taking Place". We can't recreate the past, and We can't stop the future".

Simple Example of Change:
For a long time, I did not care much about "texting", very young people had a far different take on it... but... I see and utilize its benefits now. (that's how change comes into individuals) We as people, personalize things by chance, opportunity, circumstances, conditions, and necessity.

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What your point is actually saying is how words like "conservative" are inaccurate and propaganda words. The only actual issue for the right is plutocracy - money for the rich. That's it. Everything else is to manipulate suckers to support that. The very word "conservative" is propaganda for a sales pitch.
 
One thing you righties don't get is that these sort of bigotry issues aren't what powerful interests give a crap about. They are used to manipulate idiots to get their votes, which are used for what DOES matter to them, to get money.
You're not going to persuade or convict me of anything by calling my morals bigotry and idiocy.

As for politicians running on conservative value platforms: yes, they can be used to manipulate people. By "manipulate", I take it you're referring to politicians who don't truly oppose the things they claim to oppose and don't truly support the things they claim to support?

A second thing you don't get is that the issue isn't being pro-gay or pro-interracial marriage; it's being pro discrimination against gay people or against discrimination, same with interracial marriage.
I assume you mean anti-discrimination. I've read this claim before, and for a small subset of the US political left extremely close to the center, it has merit. For progressivism in general, it's objectively false--no less ridiculous than claiming Alex Jones' site "isn't about being pro-conspiracy or pro-populist; it's about being anti-deficit and anti-corruption". Every shred of observable evidence contradicts it.

It is in the sense that being for equal rights is 'pro' the group, but you want to try to hide that the issue is your bigotry and your 'right' to harm with discrimination.
You're talking to a man whose taxes--in total opposition to his moral beliefs--fund month-long "pride" celebrations, "pride" parades in his city streets, treatments for preventable sexual diseases, abortions, "gender reassignment" surgeries, "Human Rights" kangaroo courts to gag and bankrupt fellow conservatives, morally reprehensible apology tours by elected leaders, pro-LGBT curricula, arts funding for "queer" and "trans-queer" programming (much of it used in the indoctrination of kids), legal enforcement of "preferred pronoun use", scholarships and bursaries available to everyone except whites, guaranteed make-work jobs for everyone except whites, guaranteed university admission for everyone except whites, and countless billions of dollars wasted on dealing with the chaos, misery, and disease all these things create.

And you have the nerve to tell me that all the left is asking for is an end to the "discrimination"?

Either you've been living under a rock for the last 50 years or you think I have.
 
You're not going to persuade or convict me of anything by calling my morals bigotry and idiocy.

As for politicians running on conservative value platforms: yes, they can be used to manipulate people. By "manipulate", I take it you're referring to politicians who don't truly oppose the things they claim to oppose and don't truly support the things they claim to support?


I assume you mean anti-discrimination. I've read this claim before, and for a small subset of the US political left extremely close to the center, it has merit. For progressivism in general, it's objectively false--no less ridiculous than claiming Alex Jones' site "isn't about being pro-conspiracy or pro-populist; it's about being anti-deficit and anti-corruption". Every shred of observable evidence contradicts it.


You're talking to a man whose taxes--in total opposition to his moral beliefs--fund month-long "pride" celebrations, "pride" parades in his city streets, treatments for preventable sexual diseases, abortions, "gender reassignment" surgeries, "Human Rights" kangaroo courts to gag and bankrupt fellow conservatives, morally reprehensible apology tours by elected leaders, pro-LGBT curricula, arts funding for "queer" and "trans-queer" programming (much of it used in the indoctrination of kids), legal enforcement of "preferred pronoun use", scholarships and bursaries available to everyone except whites, guaranteed make-work jobs for everyone except whites, guaranteed university admission for everyone except whites, and countless billions of dollars wasted on dealing with the chaos, misery, and disease all these things create.

And you have the nerve to tell me that all the left is asking for is an end to the "discrimination"?

Either you've been living under a rock for the last 50 years or you think I have.
What are you talking about... your profile says that you are from Toronto, Canada. And you anti homosexuals' ravings are noted, as being exactly that, "ravings" that you try to wrap your morality into assessing what others can and cannot gain benefit simply because "you" don't like it. You drastically "over rate your overall importance in the make up of 320+ Million people. If you were American, after everything you promote attack upon, you still get only "one vote" !!!
As to the bullshit about jobs being for everyone buts whites, you should have had that anguish when white people blocked women and minorities out of jobs. Today, no one has blocked white out of jobs... The fact is, NOW, they have to compete with everyone else, including competing with women... so white man are angry because they don't the preferred front of the line to get the preferred slot just because he's white and male. So, now they want to pretend things are unfair... because he does not get to dictate the rules, and he is no longer the one that jobs are set for him to pick over and throw back what he does not want to the masses of woman and minorities. Many of such white men, can't deal with the fact, his skin and cultism of whiteness, won't give him dominance in all the things he once had dominance and first choice of everything.
Even white women are telling him, she will no longer accept being pushed back, ignored, and denied opportunity, simply because he wants to keep her under his control and dominance... these women are saying "screw that crap".. some will rather go bang their girlfriend, and raise her kids alone, rather than put up what that. Some of these hate groups detest that women don't lay down in subservience to them, and they are angry because some women want no part of their vile mentality and ways.. and his attitude he force upon her, does not stop her from hooking up with whom every she wants to hook up with.


To his line of stupidity, America and the World is saying "Screw Him".... he needs to get his ass in line like everyone else, and compete like everyone else and "stop expecting anything and everything to be given to him because he is white and male"
You must not know the entirety of the make up of your own family, whether you live in Canada or where ever... because if you did, you'd defiantly find that that you have more homosexual people in your family that you are aware of, and most probably don't let you know, because they already see the negativity that you have about their lives. I doubt there is a family on the planet earth that does not have many homosexual people within it, and some people "swing any way that pleasure can be found, and gender don't matter to them. You live in your mind which is a small view of the world...
 
You're not going to persuade or convict me of anything by calling my morals bigotry and idiocy.

As for politicians running on conservative value platforms: yes, they can be used to manipulate people. By "manipulate", I take it you're referring to politicians who don't truly oppose the things they claim to oppose and don't truly support the things they claim to support?


I assume you mean anti-discrimination. I've read this claim before, and for a small subset of the US political left extremely close to the center, it has merit. For progressivism in general, it's objectively false--no less ridiculous than claiming Alex Jones' site "isn't about being pro-conspiracy or pro-populist; it's about being anti-deficit and anti-corruption". Every shred of observable evidence contradicts it.


You're talking to a man whose taxes--in total opposition to his moral beliefs--fund month-long "pride" celebrations, "pride" parades in his city streets, treatments for preventable sexual diseases, abortions, "gender reassignment" surgeries, "Human Rights" kangaroo courts to gag and bankrupt fellow conservatives, morally reprehensible apology tours by elected leaders, pro-LGBT curricula, arts funding for "queer" and "trans-queer" programming (much of it used in the indoctrination of kids), legal enforcement of "preferred pronoun use", scholarships and bursaries available to everyone except whites, guaranteed make-work jobs for everyone except whites, guaranteed university admission for everyone except whites, and countless billions of dollars wasted on dealing with the chaos, misery, and disease all these things create.

And you have the nerve to tell me that all the left is asking for is an end to the "discrimination"?

Either you've been living under a rock for the last 50 years or you think I have.
You said: "And you have the nerve to tell me that all the left is asking for is an end to the "discrimination"?

Answer is YES!!!!

Yes, it is an asking to cease the discrimination(s)... you selectively blind yourself to how much of society the act of "discrimination applies"... well surprise !!! everything your just listed in within areas where white nationalist America for centuries and decades "DISCRIMINATED"... including how people use language!!! Heck our own medical profession is saturated with "Latin" words, and if the English languages was to be mandated as right winger claim, then there would be no Latin words to describe the same things that can be said in "English".. White people are a trip, they want to pick and choose, and demand that everyone accepts "only" what they have chosen. Soon as some white people get money, they no longer want to say, "bye", its then tchao (ciao) and salut .. but the first time a latin person say, Hasta Luego, or Halo... some white people go crazy, and wan to attack them because they did not say it in english. Today... people don't have time for that bigoted bull crap... they can mix the words any way they want, and screw anyone who does not like it... but have no problem when themselves do it...
 
You said: "And you have the nerve to tell me that all the left is asking for is an end to the "discrimination"?

Answer is YES!!!!

Yes, it is an asking to cease the discrimination(s)... you selectively blind yourself to how much of society the act of "discrimination applies"... well surprise !!! everything your just listed in within areas where white nationalist America for centuries and decades "DISCRIMINATED"... including how people use language!!! Heck our own medical profession is saturated with "Latin" words, and if the English languages was to be mandated as right winger claim, then there would be no Latin words to describe the same things that can be said in "English".. White people are a trip, they want to pick and choose, and demand that everyone accepts "only" what they have chosen. Soon as some white people get money, they no longer want to say, "bye", its then tchao (ciao) and salut .. but the first time a latin person say, Hasta Luego, or Halo... some white people go crazy, and wan to attack them because they did not say it in english. Today... people don't have time for that bigoted bull crap... they can mix the words any way they want, and screw anyone who does not like it... but have no problem when themselves do it...
Hence your argument is that because I speak English, I shouldn't mind that the society in which I live sucks me dry to pay for a lifetime's worth of morally reprehensible programs, celebrations, services, and handouts, many of which are specifically designed to punish me and my family?

This seems fair and sensible to you?
 
"stop expecting anything and everything to be given to him because he is white and male"
Enlighten me.

Where is the "straight pride" parade funded with my tax dollars?

Which schools are teaching my moral views on homosexuality?

Where are the white-only grants and scholarships?

Where are the laws that make sure every board has at least one white man on them?

Which of my political leaders is out there calling transgenderism, homosexuality, adultery, fornication harmful and immoral?

Where are the people being gagged and bankrupted by the courts for slandering my race and religion?

Where are the websites calling me a parasite, an oppressor, a bigot, a plague being run off social media and blacklisted by everyone from the big banks to Silicon Valley?

Where is the taxpayer funding for all the drugs, surgeries, and procedures I think I need to feel better about myself?

Where's my guaranteed university position?

Come on. I'm part of the "cultism of whiteness". Surely you must be able to come up with something my government or my society does to make life easier for me. Enlighten us all.
 
Hence your argument is that because I speak English, I shouldn't mind that the society in which I live sucks me dry to pay for a lifetime's worth of morally reprehensible programs, celebrations, services, and handouts, many of which are specifically designed to punish me and my family?

This seems fair and sensible to you?
First off your handle say's you are from Canada... so what the hell are you talking about!!! Nobody gives a shit... what you like or don't like.

If you are in America, deal with the parts you do like and stop trying to deny others the parts they like... some of the stuff you like, they may not like it, but they are not trying to stop you from liking it. (unless its some confederacy ideological crap) GEEZ!!!!!

If you are American, you cast your vote...

Politicians Pass Bills, and Measures... if you got a grip if you are American, go talk to your politicians.... they probably will tell you in so many words, that "your likes and dislike" don't dictate for the whole of America... Pay your taxes, and appreciate the benefits that you do, and that that you don't get involved with... stop trying to tell others they can't appreciate what tax dollars provide.

Geez!!!

You are obsessed with trying to win discussion where there is no winner and looser... there's just people with viewpoints.
 
Enlighten me.

Where is the "straight pride" parade funded with my tax dollars? (you should learn what event planning is, if you don't know then you don't know)

Which schools are teaching my moral views on homosexuality? (no body cares about your discriminatory views on Homosexuality, they listened to 100's of years of that discriminatory bullshit ! already)

Where are the white-only grants and scholarships? ( you had that for 100's of years, as if your selective amnesia wants to ignore that fact... and you should learn about what is the volume of grant money that go to predominantly white schools in every form and manner that it has been doing for 100's of years)

Where are the laws that make sure every board has at least one white man on them? ( you had that shit for 100's of years too, now you can't stand that you might not be on one)... you did not give a shit when you discriminated and kept women and minorities off to promote your white male white nationalist dominance.

Which of my political leaders is out there calling transgenderism, homosexuality, adultery, fornication harmful and immoral? ( you probably now pretend to ignore your own right Wing Conservatives groups and spin your denial as if you don't... when you second comment was about your morality ... ( you talk shit, and don't even know what the heck you are saying or have said)

Where are the people being gagged and bankrupted by the courts for slandering my race and religion? (did you think about this shit for 300-400 yrs your people promoted slavery, or the 100yrs they promoted Jim Crow, and the past 56 yrs, when your fight anything and everything that promotes equality)

Where are the websites calling me a parasite, an oppressor, a bigot, a plague being run off social media and blacklisted by everyone from the big banks to Silicon Valley? (No one wants to hear that Confederate 18th and 19th Century Crap of a bunch of white males pissed off because they no longer have the "dominance in everything to promote their white male dominated white nationalist agenda)

Where is the taxpayer funding for all the drugs, surgeries, and procedures I think I need to feel better about myself? ( first off, you should learn to read about the funding that goes into Drug development, medical processional techniques, which translate into improvements in medicine, and you should as your Republican cohorts why they fight against Publicly Funded Universal Health Care

Where's my guaranteed university position? You had that shit for 100's of years.... get over it... you won't get to keep having it.


Come on. I'm part of the "cultism of whiteness". Surely you must be able to come up with something my government or my society does to make life easier for me. Enlighten us all. your cult of whiteness' had 100's of years of that..!!!! and you expect it to continue... if your ancestary did not grasp all they could under that vile system... and you feel deprived... then maybe you should be pissed off at your own ancestry for what they did not leave and give to you..... or get off your butt and work and stand in the equality line of life like everyone else.

All you've said... is you are pissed off because white nationalism of white male dominance is being brought down and your ass has to get in the equality line like everyone else... and you want to attack society because it will no longer allow 'white men" to claim themselves as first in every line for everything, whether they are qualified, skilled, trained or knowledgeable or not.
 
You're not going to persuade or convict me of anything by calling my morals bigotry and idiocy.

I didn't. I don't know your morals to comment. But I used those words for a reason about many voters. Here's the thing. Are you saying there are no such things as bigotry or idiocy, and if you agree there are, is accurately pointing them out supposed to persuade the people who hold those views? Not really. It'd be nice, but when does that happen?

As for politicians running on conservative value platforms: yes, they can be used to manipulate people. By "manipulate", I take it you're referring to politicians who don't truly oppose the things they claim to oppose and don't truly support the things they claim to support?

No, and it's too long an issue to try to describe 'manipulation'. But let's say you want votes in order to take people's money. And then you do things like try to manipulate them to vote for your team with things like 'gays are attacking your marriage!' and 'there's a caravan of a horde of illegals on its way to invade our country!' and other things 24x7 to get them to vote for your team. That's part of manipulation.

I assume you mean anti-discrimination. I've read this claim before, and for a small subset of the US political left extremely close to the center, it has merit. For progressivism in general, it's objectively false--no less ridiculous than claiming Alex Jones' site "isn't about being pro-conspiracy or pro-populist; it's about being anti-deficit and anti-corruption". Every shred of observable evidence contradicts it.

No, I mean pro-discrimination. When you hear a right-winger say they don't like the left for being 'pro-gay', they don't mean treating gay people better than them. What they mean is, they don't like the left preventing them from discriminating against gay people - firing them for being gay, preventing them from marrying or adopting, jailing them.

You're talking to a man whose taxes--in total opposition to his moral beliefs--fund month-long "pride" celebrations, "pride" parades in his city streets, treatments for preventable sexual diseases, abortions, "gender reassignment" surgeries, "Human Rights" kangaroo courts to gag and bankrupt fellow conservatives, morally reprehensible apology tours by elected leaders, pro-LGBT curricula, arts funding for "queer" and "trans-queer" programming (much of it used in the indoctrination of kids), legal enforcement of "preferred pronoun use", scholarships and bursaries available to everyone except whites, guaranteed make-work jobs for everyone except whites, guaranteed university admission for everyone except whites, and countless billions of dollars wasted on dealing with the chaos, misery, and disease all these things create.

And you have the nerve to tell me that all the left is asking for is an end to the "discrimination"?

Yes, you're basically making my point. That you think that other people getting equality is discrimination against your right to discriminate against them. For example, if a textbook describes gay relationships in a positive way, you say that discriminates against you, when it's simply treating gay people with equality. Every point you made I could explain similarly. Are white people poorer on average? Less employed on average? Undereducated on average?

Either you've been living under a rock for the last 50 years or you think I have.

It sounds like you are, as I described.

You object to saving gay peoples' lives from AIDS as discriminating against you - while our nation's healthcare system is overwhelmed by right-wing people who got preventable Covid by saying masks violate their freedom? On the gay people being helped offend you. You made my point.
 
First off your handle say's you are from Canada... so what the hell are you talking about!!! Nobody gives a shit... what you like or don't like.
Gee, thanks, neighbour.

All you've said... is you are pissed off because white nationalism of white male dominance is being brought down and your ass has to get in the equality line like everyone else... and you want to attack society because it will no longer allow 'white men" to claim themselves as first in every line for everything, whether they are qualified, skilled, trained or knowledgeable or not.
None of the items I've listed in #65 or #69 are conducive to equality. You can call them "equality" until you're blue in the face. Any reasonable person will see them for what they are: state-sanctioned anti-white, anti-conservative, anti-Christian discrimination manifest as law.

No, and it's too long an issue to try to describe 'manipulation'. But let's say you want votes in order to take people's money. And then you do things like try to manipulate them to vote for your team with things like 'gays are attacking your marriage!' and 'there's a caravan of a horde of illegals on its way to invade our country!' and other things 24x7 to get them to vote for your team. That's part of manipulation.
What you're describing sounds like people contributing to the campaigns of politicians who support laws and policies consistent with their values, i.e. how people are expected to participate in a democratic republic.

If it makes you feel any better, I've had far more of my money taken by politicians who don't share any of my values. Does this also count as manipulation?

No, I mean pro-discrimination. When you hear a right-winger say they don't like the left for being 'pro-gay', they don't mean treating gay people better than them. What they mean is, they don't like the left preventing them from discriminating against gay people - firing them for being gay, preventing them from marrying or adopting, jailing them.
I vehemently disagree, but don't have anything to add to my previous counterargument.
 
Yes, you're basically making my point. That you think that other people getting equality is discrimination against your right to discriminate against them. For example, if a textbook describes gay relationships in a positive way, you say that discriminates against you, when it's simply treating gay people with equality. Every point you made I could explain similarly.
Equality would be if I could get my child into a school where the textbooks teach that homosexuality is harmful and immoral, which is my good and reasonable belief.

Where is this school? Where's the school that teaches against safe spaces and book-burning? Against statism? Where's the school that teaches the nuclear family and gender roles? That teaches whites shouldn't be discriminated against or punished for ancient wrongs? That teaches government is the problem more often than the solution? That teaches true fiscal conservatism?

My taxes pay for public schools, and I attended a public school for a time, but I assure you there's no conservative in their right mind circa 2020 who'd send their kid to a public school. I also assure you that's not because conservative values are "equally" represented. My values are absolutely nowhere to be found in my government or my society.

Are white people poorer on average? Less employed on average? Undereducated on average?
Ah, so by "equality" you mean fining, punishing, and legislating away opportunities for every member of a race whose mean statistics are more favourable?

By that definition of "equality", I can see why @RealityNow seems to think that a government taxing me through the nose and using the proceeds to marginalize my race, gender, and religion is "equality".

You object to saving gay peoples' lives from AIDS as discriminating against you - while our nation's healthcare system is overwhelmed by right-wing people who got preventable Covid by saying masks violate their freedom? On the gay people being helped offend you. You made my point.
Here is my point: I pay through the nose to shield people from the consequences of their perversions, indiscretions, addictions, and poor decisions without reaping a dime in return, and far from "thank you", your response is, "Oh, poor, straight white guy thinks he's so hard done by when the problem is his bigotry and discrimination."

I'm sorry, but my "bigotry and discrimination" didn't create the epidemic of STDs, AIDS, broken homes, unwanted children, abortions, low birth rates, and countless other factors stripping our society to the bone, and yes, I take offense when men treat me like a piece of garbage whose only purpose in life is to pay out and shut up. Which--make no mistake--is precisely what you and @RealityNow are doing here.

And BTW, I've followed the masking and social distancing rules to the letter despite the fact that every ounce of empirical data points to the conclusion that they're utterly worthless.

You get that? I am complying with the laws despite every avenue of research confirming that to do so is useless and irrational. Which is regrettably the status quo for rational, law-abiding people these days.

One of my close relatives just lost a restaurant of 30 years due to the lockdown, as we waited in vain hope complying with these absurd lockdown orders. Rather than the retirement she worked so hard for, funded by her own savings, she'll survive month to month on an old-age pension doled out by the government. She's destitute precisely because we are law-abiding people. So you'll excuse me if I tell you stick your "point" where the sun don't shine.
 
Gee, thanks, neighbour.


None of the items I've listed in #65 or #69 are conducive to equality. You can call them "equality" until you're blue in the face. Any reasonable person will see them for what they are: state-sanctioned anti-white, anti-conservative, anti-Christian discrimination manifest as law. ( You don't get to make that determination for society)

What you're describing sounds like people contributing to the campaigns of politicians who support laws and policies consistent with their values, i.e. how people are expected to participate in a democratic republic.

If it makes you feel any better, I've had far more of my money taken by politicians who don't share any of my values. Does this also count as manipulation?


I vehemently disagree, but don't have anything to add to my previous counterargument. (you can disagree with anything you want, Time may bring you to understand that you don't control anything, and certainly you don't have an influence in how votes or policy as far as society dealing with eradicating white nationalism in America, from your locality... you probably need to be focused on that...

Spin that crap in your locality.... I don't think Canada is too fond on "white nationalist promoters"...

American is not going back to the past of 'White First"... NOPE... get in the equality line... or sit and whine and cry because no one is kissing butts' simply because some white people, are upset they can't have what they had in the past... Craig234 explained it to you in simple terms, but you appear to be either dense or dogmatic (I don't really care which one it might be), in your denials to want to promote your spin. No body is going for the "white washed version of Christianity that people used during Slavery to try and justify their malice by contortion and bastardizations of the Biblical Parables and Verse.
 
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