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The Right Religion

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If you were to list off the religions along with point values, determined by tabulating 1 point per tenant that you agree with, which religion would come out closest to your philosophy? I ask that you give this serious thought, then vote, then rank the religions. Be ready to defend your logic.

Also, you don't have to present all of your tabulations and reasoning, just your results.

Here's an example for Islam:

+1: No glorification of men.

+1: The enemy of the people-theologians, bigots.

+1: Singing is more for man than it is for God, so singing is not a substantive part of the religion.

+1: Charity is best done in private both to remove temptation of ego and to prevent ego from entering into the spiritual rewards one receives for giving charity (3rd Pillar).

+1: Total submission to infinitely superior, divine forces.

+1: Every moment of life is a test.

+1: Man cannot have unlimited numbers of wives.

+: Man must keep focused on his “spec of dust” status in the universe and resist the temptation to put himself at the center of the world (2nd Pillar).

+1: There can only be one God for the world to have any meaning.

+1: God’s work is great, next to perfection, even, therefore science is to be embraced as the engagement of God’s masterful craftsmanship.

+1: Women can marry based on their own will and divorce.

+1: Women can own and inherit property.

+1: All men are of equal worth, deeds aside, in the eyes of God.

+1: Women are innately prone to weakness of character and wickedness.

+1: Placing great value on the unseen.

-1: The abolition of interest; no man shall lend money for the purposes of personal gain.

-1: Every moment of life is a morality test, with rules that do not necessarily pertain to individual intentions and are non-negotiable.

-1: Eye for an eye.

-1: Freedom is merely the right to do the wrong thing, so why bother having it at all?

-1: Women are incapable of overcoming their tendency towards weakness of character and wickedness.

-1: Worshipping God.

-1: Congregationalism.

-1: Young adults and women must be shielded from perversion, obscenity, and temptation.

-1: Women must be “protected” to keep them from inadvertently tempting men.

-1: Ritualism (the Haaj, Kaaba-the 7 circuits, Ramadan, etc.).

-1: There can be no more legitimate prophets; the notion that Islam is the fulfillment of Judaism and Christianty’s lacking specificity for daily practical applications of their taught principles; the final, most correct testament of God.

-1: The material world matters.

-1: Fixating on conversion.

-1: Conversion at the tip of a sword.



Total Score for Islam: +1.
 
Yeah, but Hinduism is more upbeat and you can dance to it.
I give it a 54, Dick.
 
What was your score for Christianity? Just curious.
 
I have been in a constant struggle between endorsing Judaism and Hinduism as the religion with teachings closest to me for years.

What pushed me over the line to vote for Judaism is I increasingly find myself moving away from the Hindu disdain for attaching yourself to the outcomes of things in the outside world; trying to affect things that are ultimately beyond human control and meaningless in death.

I'm finding that Judaism's activism is more meaningful and True.

"A man like Job was once smitten from every area of life, broke down, like Job, and shook his fist at God, saying, 'Things are terrible down here. Why don't you send help?'

And God replied, 'I did send help. I sent you.'"

-A Rabbi I once heard.
 
You think women are prone to weakness of character and wickedness?

yikes!
 
Here's my list:

1) Judaism
2) Hinduism
3) Buddhism
4) Daoism
5) Islam
6) Christianity
7) Confucianism
8) Paganism
9) Shinto
10) Satanism
 
You think women are prone to weakness of character and wickedness?

yikes!

I knew that one would raise some eyebrows. Yes, but I don't think they are bound to it.

Example: Abraham is told by God to sacrifice his son. The mother is the one with the the maternal bond, nearly incapable of going along with such an idea, regardless of the eternal consequences. In the end, God was merely testing Abraham and let him keep his son once he demonstrated to him that he was willing to sacrifice all. Women aren't designed very well for detaching themselves from their emotions to make principled decisions.

There are numerous things about women that are designed towards shortsightedness, but they are in no way forced to go along with it.
 
I knew that one would raise some eyebrows. Yes, but I don't think they are bound to it.

Example: Abraham is told by God to sacrifice his son. The mother is the one with the the maternal bond, nearly incapable of going along with such an idea, regardless of the eternal consequences. In the end, God was merely testing Abraham and let him keep his son once he demonstrated to him that he was willing to sacrifice all. Women aren't designed very well for detaching themselves from their emotions to make principled decisions.

There are numerous things about women that are designed towards shortsightedness, but they are in no way forced to go along with it.

That's one of the most sexist comments I've heard in quite some time. Without being a woman yourself, it's pretty impossible for you to truly say with any actual knowledge what we're capable of or how we're designed, just as, not being a man, I couldn't say with any real knowledge what you men are capable of or designed for.
 
I'm going with Confucianism. I am inclined to philosophize. :mrgreen:


Duke
 
Example: Abraham is told by God to sacrifice his son. The mother is the one with the the maternal bond, nearly incapable of going along with such an idea, regardless of the eternal consequences. In the end, God was merely testing Abraham and let him keep his son once he demonstrated to him that he was willing to sacrifice all.

I wouldn't kill a kid just because some divine power asked me to. Who would want to worship a god that demands the needless sacrifice of children? If you want to prove your faith, risk your own life. Not that of the innocent.

Women aren't designed very well for detaching themselves from their emotions to make principled decisions.

Neither are men. Overcoming emotion is difficult, yet part of why humans are successful. Also considering that war and crime are almost always commited by men, its hard to claim they are better at making principled choices.

Societal conditioning and possibly genetics let men or women express emotions differently. Women are more inclined to tend towards despair men tend toward anger. Each if harmful in its own way.

Science only offers a limited look in this area, but men nor women are pretty much equal when it comes to making rational decisions.
 
Where's the "none of the above" option? The one closest to my personal philosophy isn't listed.
 
That's one of the most sexist comments I've heard in quite some time. Without being a woman yourself, it's pretty impossible for you to truly say with any actual knowledge what we're capable of or how we're designed, just as, not being a man, I couldn't say with any real knowledge what you men are capable of or designed for.

1) So you want me to take back saying that women are fully capable?

2) Some people don't have to be walked through every experience in order to think about it and grasp it.
 
1) I wouldn't kill a kid just because some divine power asked me to.

2) Who would want to worship a god that demands the needless sacrifice of children? If you want to prove your faith, risk your own life. Not that of the innocent.

1) But you aren't extremely pious, believing fully in the eternal consequences, as Sarah was. She didn't care about eternal damnation. She cared about the here and now. Women are designed to do that.

2) None of this is relevant. None of this (or a million other biblical/historical examples that reinforce my point here) is caused by any 2nd guessing about whether or not God should be followed, just by raw emotional attachment to the child.
 
Where's the "none of the above" option? The one closest to my personal philosophy isn't listed.

One of these has to be closer to your views than the rest.

Either you support the Christian/Buddhist pacifism, or the Muslim/Jewish eye for an eye.

To not have an opinion between 2 mutually exlusive options is to be dead.
 
Neither are men. Overcoming emotion is difficult, yet part of why humans are successful. Also considering that war and crime are almost always commited by men, its hard to claim they are better at making principled choices.

The decision to go to war or volunteer to put one's life on the line to defend one's country is an example of a principled, rather than immediately self-serving choice.

Men act more physically because their physical superiority gives them the option of manipulating things physically. Women don't have that option generally, so they tend to be less physical and have to rely on their ability to use their emotions and straightforward common sense. Men are far more concerned with having the right answers, and we tend to consequently drive harder to come up with ideal answers, whereas women tend to come up with easy emotional ones. It's part of what makes us sensitive about stopping to get directions.

What I'm talking about is being demonstrated right here in this thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/18818-right-religion.html#post508525

I have this impression of the author of this link sitting with their finger up her nose copying her posts out of Hallmark Cards. A perfect example of having no drive to put forward a thoughtful, useful, or intellectually competitive response. Just shallow emotion, off the top of their head. There is your essential woman.

Another example: disciplining children. Men can separate themselves enough to do what is needed in the long run. Women usually do what is emotionally comfortable in the hear and now, and create problems down the road.
 
Where is atheism on the list? :3oops:

It would only make sense for me to have included Atheism if the purpose of this was to ask you what your religion is. If you are claiming that your philosophical views are closer to the religion that claims nothing, nothing about morality, the role of man in the world, etc., except arbitrarily asserting that there is no God, then you have bigger problems than whether or not I included Atheism in this poll.
 
One of these has to be closer to your views than the rest.
Not so much. The only one that's remotely close is Buddhism. But only in some aspects. Wicca would be the closest for me.

Either you support the Christian/Buddhist pacifism, or the Muslim/Jewish eye for an eye.

Christian pacifism? Now that made me literally LOL here at work.
 
1) So you want me to take back saying that women are fully capable?

It'd be nice if you'd make up your mind. One second we're shortsighted, prone to weakness of character and wickedness; the next, we're fully capable? :roll:

2) Some people don't have to be walked through every experience in order to think about it and grasp it.

Well, I'm assuming that you've never even experienced being a woman, therefore, it's rather hard for you to grasp it.
 
1) But you aren't extremely pious, believing fully in the eternal consequences, as Sarah was. She didn't care about eternal damnation. She cared about the here and now. Women are designed to do that.


All right, so women are not capable of caring about eternal damnation, they are designed not to. Women are only capable of caring about the here and now. Mr. Pub, I've got news for you. Humans aren't programmed. There is no "Master Programmer" going through all of our circuitry designing us for this, designing us for that. Women are just as capable of caring about eternity, and there are plenty of men who care only about the here and now. So for your information, women are fully capable, whether your holy book says so or not.


Duke
 
What I'm talking about is being demonstrated right here in this thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/18818-right-religion.html#post508525

I have this impression of the author of this link sitting with their finger up her nose copying her posts out of Hallmark Cards. A perfect example of having no drive to put forward a thoughtful, useful, or intellectually competitive response. Just shallow emotion, off the top of their head. There is your essential woman.

Well, I certainly hope you weren't trying to be insulting.

It's rather hard to put forth what YOU might consider to be "a thoughtful, useful, or intellectually competitive response" when one is responding to something that displays none of those characteristics. It's also rather hard to do so when the person being responded to disregards pretty much any and every thing that is posted in contradiction to his own thoughts and feelings. Based upon past examples, I'm fairly certain you wouldn't dismiss things so easily if I weren't one of those evil liberals. :lol:

Another example: disciplining children. Men can separate themselves enough to do what is needed in the long run. Women usually do what is emotionally comfortable in the hear and now, and create problems down the road.

Another example of how stereotypes don't benefit anyone, and how they certainly don't aid towards the progression of a discussion.

I'm assuming that you're referring to spanking here, so please correct me if I'm wrong. But if that is the case, you're insinuating that only men are capable of spanking their children, because us poor, pitiful women don't find it "emotionally comfortable"? I don't know how you grew up, but my mom certainly didn't hesitate to spank me or my brother if we deserved it. Nor will I hesitate to spank my son when he's older and he deserves it. Now, my stepdad on the other hand....he COULDN'T separate himself from his anger over every little thing and beat the crap out of us....well beyond the point of merely trying to discipline us. I really don't think being grabbed by your ankles and having your head beat against the floor is great discipline. That creates plenty of problems down the road.

Just because a family chooses a discipline method that you don't agree with, that doesn't mean it "creates problems". If time outs and other non physical forms of discipline work for a family, who the hell are you to judge? What creates problems is not tailoring discipline methods to what is effective for YOUR child.
 
Interesting.... I learned something new today. I have boobies and therefore am incapable of rational thought.

I had no idea that boobies were that powerful! They suck the rational thought and logic right out of my brain! And here I'd always been under the impression they sucked the rational thought and logic right out of the brains of the men I show them to. ;)
 
Interesting.... I learned something new today. I have boobies and therefore am incapable of rational thought.

I had no idea that boobies were that powerful! They suck the rational thought and logic right out of my brain! And here I'd always been under the impression they sucked the rational thought and logic right out of the brains of the men I show them to. ;)

Maybe it's not the boobies, since technically, men have them too. Must be our other girly bits. :lol:
 
Not so much. The only one that's remotely close is Buddhism. But only in some aspects. Wicca would be the closest for me.



Christian pacifism? Now that made me literally LOL here at work.

Christ taught pacifism. This is not a controversial assertion.
 
It'd be nice if you'd make up your mind. One second we're shortsighted, prone to weakness of character and wickedness; the next, we're fully capable? :roll:

Now you're demonstrating my point about liberals and reading comprehension.

I have said since the beginning that women are prone to those things but don't have to go along with it.
 
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