The Right’s Climate Change Shame

[Media_Truth]

Well, I'm sure you have the integrity to have found the link, and read at least part of it, instead of regurgitating material without validation, right?

After all, only a fool takes an agenda driven site at their words.

From the link...

We used to argue that climate change was a tough political question because its effects were so distant in the future. But that case no longer holds. We are clearly living through those effects right now.

 

[Lord of Planar]

From the link...

We used to argue that climate change was a tough political question because its effects were so distant in the future. But that case no longer holds. We are clearly living through those effects right now.

I can't find that quote in the Fourth National Climate Assessment, which is the source material. You are trusting a partisan pundit to tell you what the assessment report says.

Once again, you clearly take the word of a pundit as gospel, instead of reading the source material yourself.

The faith of AGW is strong in you, and you will believe anything it's priests tell you.

 

[Jack Hays]

[h=2]Politics of climate expertise[/h][FONT=&quot]Posted on December 3, 2018 by curryja | 2 comments[/FONT]
by Judith Curry
“Concerning the inability of expert knowledge to resolve environmental controversy and the pressing need for a pragmatic reframing of policy problems to allow for solutions based on bipartisan values.”
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. . . Given the publication of the U.S. National Climate Assessment almost two weeks ago, and the massive amount of publicity that the authors and the usual advocates have received, it is worth reflecting on why political and public support for the Paris agreement actually seems to be declining. Peter Tangney’s paper provides some insights and recommendations for the way forward that are aligned with the Hartwell Paper.

 

[Media_Truth]

I can't find that quote in the Fourth National Climate Assessment, which is the source material. You are trusting a partisan pundit to tell you what the assessment report says.

Once again, you clearly take the word of a pundit as gospel, instead of reading the source material yourself.

The faith of AGW is strong in you, and you will believe anything it's priests tell you.

Haven't read it, have you? The first paragraph of the summary deals with the effects we are seeing NOW.

Climate change creates new risks and exacerbates existing vulnerabilities in communities across the United States, presenting growing challenges to human health and safety, quality of life, and the rate of economic growth.
The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Haven't read it, have you? The first paragraph of the summary deals with the effects we are seeing NOW.

Climate change creates new risks and exacerbates existing vulnerabilities in communities across the United States, presenting growing challenges to human health and safety, quality of life, and the rate of economic growth.
The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities.

Not quite what is implied. The future scare of climate change is far worse than what we see as natural cycles, amplified by our land use.

If that's the best you have...

LOL...

 

[Media_Truth]

Not quite what is implied. The future scare of climate change is far worse than what we see as natural cycles, amplified by our land use.

If that's the best you have...

LOL...

Nope. We are seeing the changes.

 

[os88]

Actually, it seems to be about your denial.

I don't see the point in denying global warming. It's not like a hybrid SUV costs a fortune anymore.

 

[Tim the plumber]

I don't see the point in denying global warming. It's not like a hybrid SUV costs a fortune anymore.

Nobody sane is denying global warming.

That it is some sort of trouble is where the debate is.

 

[Surface Detail]

Nobody sane is denying global warming.

That it is some sort of trouble is where the debate is.

Jack Hays, to whom os88 was replying, has claimed on many occasions that the Earth is cooling rather than warming. His sanity is a matter of opinion.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Jack Hays, to whom os88 was replying, has claimed on many occasions that the Earth is cooling rather than warming. His sanity is a matter of opinion.

OK, nobody is denying that the world has warmed. What it will do in the furture is open for debate.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Great article by Andrew Sullivan.

The Right?s Climate Change Shame

The right has no shame, just look at the dumb comments on this thread. Of course, nothing on topic, just deflections and dumb one liners

 

[Threegoofs]

OK, nobody is denying that the world has warmed. What it will do in the furture is open for debate.

Not really.

 

[Jack Hays]

I don't see the point in denying global warming. It's not like a hybrid SUV costs a fortune anymore.

For the same reason I deny the existence of unicorns.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Nope. We are seeing the changes.
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The way I see it, is El Nino is a modulation to the signal we want to see.

 

[Media_Truth]

The way I see it, is El Nino is a modulation to the signal we want to see.

The point of the graph is that El Nino and La Nina have had some effect. But the overall upward trend continues.

 

[flogger]

The point of the graph is that El Nino and La Nina have had some effect. But the overall upward trend continues.

And thats a good thing. Longer growing seasons assisted by the increased CO2 in the biosphere leading to greater crop yields. Whats not to like ?

 

[Media_Truth]

And thats a good thing. Longer growing seasons assisted by the increased CO2 in the biosphere leading to greater crop yields. Whats not to like ?

Increased risk of wildfires. More severe flooding, hurricanes, droughts. Higher sea levels, with associated high tidal floods of coastal cities. Agriculture - might be better in some areas. Other areas - more insect invasion, fungi, etc.

 

[flogger]

Increased risk of wildfires. More severe flooding, hurricanes, droughts. Higher sea levels, with associated high tidal floods of coastal cities. Agriculture - might be better in some areas. Other areas - more insect invasion, fungi, etc.

And a partridge in a pear tree. :roll:

Alarmist twaddle. Our climate is doing just fine and is well within the natural variability of recent millenia

 

[Quaestio]

And a partridge in a pear tree. :roll:

Alarmist twaddle. Our climate is doing just fine and is well within the natural variability of recent millenia

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So according to your source-less blog graph, you obviously think the 'present temp' of the planet is about MINUS 30C? Really? :lamo

Good grief, climate truthers just aren't very smart.

 

[Tim the plumber]

So according to your source-less blog graph, you obviously think the 'present temp' of the planet is about MINUS 30C? Really? :lamo

Good grief, climate truthers just aren't very smart.

That, if you had any memory, is plainly the Greenland ice core data.

 

[Media_Truth]

So according to your source-less blog graph, you obviously think the 'present temp' of the planet is about MINUS 30C? Really? :lamo

Good grief, climate truthers just aren't very smart.

I guess the potpourri of denier's fake graphs has hit a new low...

 

[Surface Detail]

That, if you had any memory, is plainly the Greenland ice core data.

It can't be the GISP2 Greenland ice core data since the last data point in that series is for 1855, while the end of this graph is clearly labelled "present temp". Which ice core series do you think it might be?

 

[Lord of Planar]

The point of the graph is that El Nino and La Nina have had some effect. But the overall upward trend continues.

I say, overall they don't matter in the long trends.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So according to your source-less blog graph, you obviously think the 'present temp' of the planet is about MINUS 30C? Really? :lamo

Good grief, climate truthers just aren't very smart.

Showing off your ignorance again?

That's a chart made from an ice sheet in Greenland.

 

[Lord of Planar]

It can't be the GISP2 Greenland ice core data since the last data point in that series is for 1855, while the end of this graph is clearly labelled "present temp". Which ice core series do you think it might be?

They did what Mann did.

Spliced proxy data with thermometer data.

Why are you against the same thing Mann did?

Hypocritical much?