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Admins, before you move my post please read the article and consider that this bill is obviously a political response to the rights Ultrasound bills, and beautiful one at that. General discussion on the article.
 

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Admins, before you move my post please read the article and consider that this bill is obviously a political response to the rights Ultrasound bills, and beautiful one at that. General discussion on the article.

Can we say apples and oranges? One enhances a certain part during sexual activity, the other helps deter the killing of babies.....
 

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Can we say apples and oranges? One enhances a certain part during sexual activity, the other helps deter the killing of babies.....
It's all how you look at it. I look at it as two pieces of legislation that both contain laws and hoops to jump through that only serve an idealogical purpose.
 

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It's all how you look at it. I look at it as two pieces of legislation that both contain laws and hoops to jump through that only serve an idealogical purpose.

Fair point, but from what you were saying it sounded like you thought it was a good counter to the ultrasound bills.
 

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Fair point, but from what you were saying it sounded like you thought it was a good counter to the ultrasound bills.

They're both silly in principle because they serve no real purpose. Laws shouldn't be passed to please people's Ideology.
 

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They're both silly in principle because they serve no real purpose. Laws shouldn't be passed to please people's Ideology.

The ultrasound does serve a purpose. It helps to counter the propaganda fed to teen girls by people like Planned Parenthood and helps them to understand fully the ramifications of what they are about to do.
 

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The ultrasound does serve a purpose. It helps to counter the propaganda fed to teen girls by people like Planned Parenthood and helps them to understand fully the ramifications of what they are about to do.

That's an idealogical purpose. I should have said "medical purpose".
 

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It's only ideology which leads you to call a ZEF a 'baby'.

So the day before a baby is born it's not a baby? Why do people refer to it as a baby as soon as they become pregnant? Hmm...

The only people who call it a fetus are the ones who have an utter disregard for the baby's life.
 

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1. Why do people refer to it as a baby as soon as they become pregnant? Hmm...

2. The only people who call it a fetus are the ones who have an utter disregard for the baby's life.

1. Some do while other's say it's ''a baby under construction'' those who call it that are not stupid enough to psychologically set themselves up for hurt if a miscarriage happens unlike what pro lifers do

2. The words fetus and baby has nothing to do with the word person
 

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Well okay, then I should feel really bad when I clean my toilet because that bacteria is life.

A 1 cell human is comparible to bacteria since they both have the same capabilities oh wait they both have none.
 

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The ultrasound does serve a purpose. It helps to counter the propaganda fed to teen girls by people like Planned Parenthood and helps them to understand fully the ramifications of what they are about to do.

Funny thing with that, I don't see people from Planned Parenthood running around outside adoption clinics or birth centers, handing out pamphlets or picketing.....

This ultrasound bill is not to help them understand, it's an attempt to make them change their minds. Coercion of any type stands as what it is.....
 

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Funny thing with that, I don't see people from Planned Parenthood running around outside adoption clinics or birth centers, handing out pamphlets or picketing.....

This ultrasound bill is not to help them understand, it's an attempt to make them change their minds. Coercion of any type stands as what it is.....

That would be your spin on it, not fact.
 

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The only people who call it a fetus are the ones who have an utter disregard for the baby's life.
The people who call it a foetus include the medical professionals. They're the people who are 'about as medical as it gets', FYI.
 

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The people who call it a foetus include the medical professionals. They're the people who are 'about as medical as it gets', FYI.

Correction: SOME medical professionals. Not all.
 

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They're both silly in principle because they serve no real purpose.

I disagree 110%.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a doctor to require a patient to undergo a cardiac evaluation before prescribing a medication that can/will lead to activity that will increase heart rate. From a stict liability perspective it makes perfect sense. I'd also add that blood flow is what causes a penis to become erect. I think it's entirely reasonable that a doctor should ascertain whether or not there's some underlying condition limiting blood flow and possibly causing a man's inability to achieve erection before prescribing what could potentially be a "band aid" that leaves a serious underlying condition undiagnosed and untreated.

Same thing with the psycological (sex therapy) counseling. Especially if the patient is submitting an insurance claim for Viagra or some other erectile-dysfunction drugs. If there's an underlying psycological condition that's preventing erection that can be cured through temporary therapy why should the insurance pool be required to foot a permenant bill for medication?

The only legislation in that article that I actually think is silly is the bill in Missouri would allow vasectomies only to protect a man from serious injury or death. I don't see any ratiional/logical reason for it, as I do with most of the other proposed laws.
 
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