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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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You need to read the books, he killed a Balrog, one of the most powerful creatures in Middle Earth, a spawn of Morgoth, he took all power from Saruman, who was more than his equal in power, and defeated the Witch King, Saurons most powerful liutenant.

(i swear i'm not a nerd :lol:)
And I let a fart. That makes me more powerful than either of them.
 

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And I let a fart. That makes me more powerful than either of them.
Hell...I froze them both in time with a touch of my pause button. They got no skillz!
 

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Threads like these are why I have basically given up on this site. This is ridiculous. It's like the entire site has turned into the conspiracy forum.

Anyone have a good suggestion for a good political site where reasonable people can discuss politics? Where there is a good ratio between liberal and conservatives and no one wears tinfoil hats?
 

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Threads like these are why I have basically given up on this site. This is ridiculous. It's like the entire site has turned into the conspiracy forum.

Anyone have a good suggestion for a good political site where reasonable people can discuss politics? Where there is a good ratio between liberal and conservatives and no one wears tinfoil hats?
When the politicians themselves can't reasonably discuss politics it sets the tone for the entire nation. So what you see here is merely reflection of that political discourse. Personally, I find this site to be a good ratio between liberal and conservative. Unfortunately there are some here who are not here to discuss politics but rather to shill, bully and shoutdown opposing views making it difficult to have a reasoned discussion about politics. But I think you will find their kind on almost every political forum and they by any stretch of the imagination DO NOT represent the majority. My advice is to develop a tough skin, keep an objective open mind and just keep planting the seeds of truth. Because this nation is starving for truth, and so if you don't, then who will?
 
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When the politicians themselves can't reasonably discuss politics it sets the tone for the entire nation. So what you see here is merely reflection of that political discourse. Personally, I find this site to be a good ratio between liberal and conservative. Unfortunately there are some here who are not here to discuss politics but rather to shill, bully and shoutdown opposing views making it difficult to have a reasoned discussion about politics. But I think you will find their kind on almost every political forum and they by any stretch of the imagination DO NOT represent the majority. My advice is to develop a tough skin, keep an objective open mind and just keep planting the seeds of truth. Because this nation is starving for truth, and so if you don't, then who will?
Because I have become convinced that the seeds of truth cannot grow in rock.

How can you debate with people who believe things that are blatantly untrue? No matter how many facts you point out, there are folks who still believe that Obama is a Muslim and a socialist, that climate change is a myth, that evolution doesn't exist, and that all muslims are terrorists, all gays are child molesters and all blacks are racists.
 

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Threads like these are why I have basically given up on this site. This is ridiculous. It's like the entire site has turned into the conspiracy forum.

Anyone have a good suggestion for a good political site where reasonable people can discuss politics? Where there is a good ratio between liberal and conservatives and no one wears tinfoil hats?
If you find out, let me know.
 

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LOL, this site a Tinfoil hatter site over Obama... you two are amusing.
 

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Because I have become convinced that the seeds of truth cannot grow in rock.

How can you debate with people who believe things that are blatantly untrue? No matter how many facts you point out, there are folks who still believe that Obama is a Muslim and a socialist, that climate change is a myth, that evolution doesn't exist, and that all muslims are terrorists, all gays are child molesters and all blacks are racists.
Like Moot said, you gotta develop a thick skin. The way I see it, we're all here to share our social/political points of view. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Some folks you can share an honest, reasonable discourse with. Others, you can't. But you try anyway. I mean, what's the point of discussing issues with only those people who'll agree with you all the time? We learn even from those we disagree with. We may not always agree, but I'll take a learning experience any day of the week. However, I'll only tolerate rude, obnoxious and foolish for so long before I give a good as I get.
 

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Because I have become convinced that the seeds of truth cannot grow in rock.
Truth can grow anywhere....



ObjectiveVoice said it very well and I would only add that the liars and deniers have always existed and probably always will. Politics is not for the faint and lighthearted to be sure, but you can still learn from the diversity and perverseness to fine tune your own argument, develop critical thought and learn a lot about yourself in the process. Personally, I like the informal lively banter and the rich diversity of people from all over the world on forums like this one. But if you really believe this forum is not for you, then I do know of another that is more formal debate and will PM you the address and then you will at least have something to compare.
 

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I want to take a moment,
SOMEONE here at DP, whom won't be named sent me a PM accusing me of starting this thread for dishonest reasons:

*Paraphrased but the gist remains:
"You started this thread because of your racist, religious and personal bigotry. You didn't care about the facts of the Rev. comments you did it to troll"
I want to make something clear, I started this thread because the story came on the heels of that poll showing 1/5th of American's think Obama is a Muslim. I felt the Rev. had a point of view that was interesting and I even lightly chided the Rev. for his "Dance" around the issue. I am offended by this notion that my motives were somehow "dishonest".

Follow the chain of events people. If I didn't post it, someone else would have. That poll started a discussion, this thread is part of that. Don't like the thread, THAT'S fine, but don't you dare send me little piss ant insult PM's calling me a bigot. If there is something going on in the news and a news article discusses the issue with someone of newsworthy level... expect someone to post it.
 

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I want to take a moment,
SOMEONE here at DP, whom won't be named sent me a PM accusing me of starting this thread for dishonest reasons:

*Paraphrased but the gist remains:


I want to make something clear, I started this thread because the story came on the heels of that poll showing 1/5th of American's think Obama is a Muslim. I felt the Rev. had a point of view that was interesting and I even lightly chided the Rev. for his "Dance" around the issue. I am offended by this notion that my motives were somehow "dishonest".

Follow the chain of events people. If I didn't post it, someone else would have. That poll started a discussion, this thread is part of that. Don't like the thread, THAT'S fine, but don't you dare send me little piss ant insult PM's calling me a bigot. If there is something going on in the news and a news article discusses the issue with someone of newsworthy level... expect someone to post it.
:lamo

So you're not supposed to start a thread if you have the wrong intent? That's a new one!
 

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:lamo

So you're not supposed to start a thread if you have the wrong intent? That's a new one!
Why do you think I got offended? PM out of nowhere and it was insulting...

GRRRRRR
 

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Why do you think I got offended? PM out of nowhere and it was insulting...

GRRRRRR
Call 'em out downstairs. It'll be entertaining.
 

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I want to take a moment,
SOMEONE here at DP, whom won't be named sent me a PM accusing me of starting this thread for dishonest reasons:

*Paraphrased but the gist remains:


I want to make something clear, I started this thread because the story came on the heels of that poll showing 1/5th of American's think Obama is a Muslim. I felt the Rev. had a point of view that was interesting and I even lightly chided the Rev. for his "Dance" around the issue. I am offended by this notion that my motives were somehow "dishonest".

Follow the chain of events people. If I didn't post it, someone else would have. That poll started a discussion, this thread is part of that. Don't like the thread, THAT'S fine, but don't you dare send me little piss ant insult PM's calling me a bigot. If there is something going on in the news and a news article discusses the issue with someone of newsworthy level... expect someone to post it.
It really was amazing watching the left go after you when you chastized the Reverend. That was pretty sad.

The most amusing thing about this thread is the sheer denial of basic Islamic law, even by those who claim to be Muslims. Then the acceptance, then the denial again. Saying Obama was a Muslim according to Islam before he was a Christian is a fact. It does not mean he isn't a Christian now nor is it some conspiracy theory to attack him as a person.
 

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I want to take a moment,
SOMEONE here at DP, whom won't be named sent me a PM accusing me of starting this thread for dishonest reasons:

*Paraphrased but the gist remains:


I want to make something clear, I started this thread because the story came on the heels of that poll showing 1/5th of American's think Obama is a Muslim. I felt the Rev. had a point of view that was interesting and I even lightly chided the Rev. for his "Dance" around the issue. I am offended by this notion that my motives were somehow "dishonest".

Follow the chain of events people. If I didn't post it, someone else would have. That poll started a discussion, this thread is part of that. Don't like the thread, THAT'S fine, but don't you dare send me little piss ant insult PM's calling me a bigot. If there is something going on in the news and a news article discusses the issue with someone of newsworthy level... expect someone to post it.
So you hijack your own thread to talk about a PM someone on the forum? Talk about petty BS. :roll:
 

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So you hijack your own thread to talk about a PM someone on the forum? Talk about petty BS. :roll:
Yeah cause 45 pages in it's still on topic :roll: Faux-Outrage.
 

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Yeah cause 45 pages in it's still on topic :roll: Faux-Outrage.
Well, not anymore because now we all want to know who PM'd you and to discuss your feelings.
 

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I'm not allowed to say, they have to say it was they.

My point was if one person got so wound up on this notion my motives for the posting were, as suggested, I best nip that in the bud now with all posters.
 

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It really was amazing watching the left go after you when you chastized the Reverend. That was pretty sad.

The most amusing thing about this thread is the sheer denial of basic Islamic law, even by those who claim to be Muslims.
What a bold statement to make. Just curious, are you a Muslim? Have you ever studied Islam? Have you ever read the Qu'ran? If your answer is no to any of those questions, then I'd like to know what makes you an authority on the matter? Moreover, that you would assert that a Muslim doesn't know the tennants of their own religion...if anybody's an authority on Islam a Muslim would know! So, when a Muslim enters a thread that discusses the tennants of his/her religion and dispells lies from the truth, I'm more inclind to believe the Muslim than I am the person who most likely gets his/her information based on hearsay or uses cut-N-paste from some website like JihadWatch. :roll:

Then the acceptance, then the denial again. Saying Obama was a Muslim according to Islam before he was a Christian is a fact. It does not mean he isn't a Christian now nor is it some conspiracy theory to attack him as a person.
Are you sure about that last part? Because as I read through this thread, it certainly doesn't appear that some posters were defending him or his conversion to Christianity. Seems to me that each time a poster would argue the rationale of Rev. F. Grahams position or make a strong claim that what he thinks doesn't matter because the President has stated time and time again that he is a Christian they got ridicualed, dismissed or attacked. In short, it doesn't seem as if certain people were here to debate Rev. Graham's comments or the tennants of Islam. Seems to me some were here only to spread hate.

So, I'll say it again...

I can't say based on my own knowledge of Islam that what Rev. Graham said is true or not. I have read the Qu'ron (English translation version), but I have not studied the religion. As such, with my limited knowledge of Islam, I cannot say for certain if children born to Muslim parents are, in fact, inherintly born a Muslim anymore than I say that a child born to parents who are Buddist are, in fact, inherintly born Buddist. What I can tell you is that if I wanted to know the truth of the matter, I would either ask a Muslim or a Buddist, or I would study either religion for myself.

I know you've had "access" to the commentary of a Muslim in this forum, and she told you exactly what is required of those who wish to follow her religious faith. In that, it is no different than those who wish to follow Christianity - the individual would have to follow certain tennants of that religion in order to be called a Christian. Deferring to the only Muslim authority who has shared her knowledge and experience with posters here on her religion and based on her expertise, I would have to say that what Rev. Graham said is untrue.

Therefore, IMO, President Obama's religious faith is exactly as he has said it is: he is a Christian.

If you still doubt him, I guess there's nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise whether you believe he was "born" into another religion or converted as an adult. There's just no hope for people who wish to believe in foolish things or promote foolishness.
 
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