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The Republican Party has gone Crazy

How many of you out there can bring yourselves to vote for the new Republican party in our next elec

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 26.8%

  • No

    Votes: 36 64.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 5 8.9%
  • Total voters
    56
wellwisher said:
The Democrats appear to be running scared. Does anyone remember the Russia Collusion delusion, where Democrats and their minion on social media lied non stop about reality, until Mueller took the wind out of their sails. The Democrats are good at lying and running scams, but eventually it backfires on them.

This round of self delusion and projection is because they are still afraid of Trump. He can still draw crowds beyond any Democrat in the field, and they have to do damage control.

Does anyone remember WikiLeaks, when data from the Democrat National Committee server was leaked and it showed that the 2016 Democrat primary was stolen from Bernie Sanders, with a type of internal election fraud called Super Delegates. The Super Delegate scam was where many of Bernie Sanders popular votes, were essentially given to Hillary, by giving her more representation for less votes. Voter fraud is not new to the Democrats. If you recall, they never denied this voter fraud, when Wikileaks exposed it, but rather they used the strategy of attacking the messenger and making that the issue. This sounds familiar even today.

You guys need new tactics since you have become too predictable. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. I almost feel embarrassed for you. How about you tell us about the good things that have been done under Biden instead of projecting Democrats failings onto Trump. You guys have a credibility problem and this tired tactic is making it worse.

I used to be a Democrat, until it was taken over by corrupt fools and con artists. I call them the hippie-crates, since they were once the hippies who saw a better future and then betrayed that to become more self serving than Nixon.
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Well...


He got us out of Afghanistan. For starters.

He's not intentionally, painfully separating families to only lose the kids, at the boarder...while still enforcing border policy.

He managed the vaccine roll out in the US such that, within 4 months time, in the US, if you want a covid vaccine, you can easily get one.

And this is coming from a guy that voted for Trump...both times.
 
cpwill said:
I liked the post, but, think you are wrong about Mike Pence lacking any integrity - when the chips were down and the pressure the greatest, he did his job, at the cost of any future run himself, and at the cost of making himself an enemy of the only section of the electorate left that was likely to support him. That was after years of bending over backwards in slavish obedience to a man who was anathema to Pence's beliefs, sure, but, it still happened.

I think he lacks a lot of backbone, and am not a fan, but, I don't think I would say he lacks any integrity - he has, in one area, demonstrated that he does have some.


On the religious alignment: I mostly come to that discussion by focusing in on how terrible it is for the Church. Christians can serve faithfully in politics without having to try to push the Church into one Party or the other, and faithful Christians should probably have major problems with both parties when they mis-align with Biblical teaching. As someone who is both Christian and Conservative, I mourn for what Conservative Christianity has done :(
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That one time Pence did the right thing
Before that, Pence was an absolute yes man for Trump and regurgitated all of Trump’s lies and pure insanity for their entire time together.
 
wellwisher said:
The Democrats appear to be running scared. Does anyone remember the Russia Collusion delusion, where Democrats and their minion on social media lied non stop about reality, until Mueller took the wind out of their sails. The Democrats are good at lying and running scams, but eventually it backfires on them.

This round of self delusion and projection is because they are still afraid of Trump. He can still draw crowds beyond any Democrat in the field, and they have to do damage control.

Does anyone remember WikiLeaks, when data from the Democrat National Committee server was leaked and it showed that the 2016 Democrat primary was stolen from Bernie Sanders, with a type of internal election fraud called Super Delegates. The Super Delegate scam was where many of Bernie Sanders popular votes, were essentially given to Hillary, by giving her more representation for less votes. Voter fraud is not new to the Democrats. If you recall, they never denied this voter fraud, when Wikileaks exposed it, but rather they used the strategy of attacking the messenger and making that the issue. This sounds familiar even today.

You guys need new tactics since you have become too predictable. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. I almost feel embarrassed for you. How about you tell us about the good things that have been done under Biden instead of projecting Democrats failings onto Trump. You guys have a credibility problem and this tired tactic is making it worse.

I used to be a Democrat, until it was taken over by corrupt fools and con artists. I call them the hippie-crates, since they were once the hippies who saw a better future and then betrayed that to become more self serving than Nixon.
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Looks like you need to do some editing...

en.wikipedia.org

Mueller report - Wikipedia

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"... Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities". Investigators ultimately had an incomplete picture of what happened due to communications that were encrypted, deleted, or not saved and due to testimony that was false, incomplete, or declined. However, the report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion" but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts. It also identifies links between Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government, about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations. Mueller later stated that his investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".

Volume II of the report addresses obstruction of justice. The investigation intentionally took an approach that could not result in a judgment that Trump committed a crime. This decision was based on an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and Mueller's belief that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime even without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court; furthermore it would undermine Trump's ability to govern and preempt impeachment. As such, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime"; however, "it also does not exonerate him", with investigators not confident of Trump's innocence.[28][29] The report describes ten episodes where Trump may have obstructed justice while president and one before he was elected, noting that he privately tried to "control the investigation". .."

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Continued from my last post...

July 9, 2021
Review

An indictment of William Barr’s tenure as attorney general​


"..Instead, Honig writes, Barr “lied to the American public time and time again” and “willingly, affirmatively, and aggressively used the Justice Department as a political tool to help Trump.”
(Harper)
“Hatchet Man” catalogues Barr’s time in office from his effort to spin the damning contents of the Mueller report in Trump’s favor, to his meddling in the prosecutions of Trump associates Michael Flynn and Roger Stone, to his role in helping Trump spread falsehoods about the supposed prevalence of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Honig doesn’t hide his contempt for Barr, and he isn’t out to convince those who disagree; no one enthusiastic about Barr will come away with their view changed. Likewise, the book doesn’t attempt to uncover new information about Barr’s tenure, relying instead on the existing public record. But for readers looking for an accessible overview of Barr’s time as attorney general — or dizzied by the sheer volume of scandals that took place during the Trump presidency — Honig provides a useful rundown..."

May 5, 2021 : Fed. Judge Amy Berman Jackson :

A Federal Judge Finds That Bill Barr Was a Fixer and Corrupter of Justice​

Drew Angerer - What remains of Bill Barr’s sullied reputation was blown up when federal district Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled that the government must turn over the memorandum, which the public has yet to fully see and that the Justice Department relied upon in declining to prosecute the 45th...
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And fourteen months earlier, Fed. Judge Reggie Walton.:

Federal judge blasts Barr for 'misleading' comments on Mueller report​

The judge wondered whether Barr's intention "was to create a one-sided narrative about the Mueller report."
www.nbcnews.com
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Six revelations in Senate intel report on 2016 Russian interference​

The bipartisan report provides new details on Trump’s conversations with Roger Stone and the activities of the president’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
www.nbcnews.com
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August 18, 2020
".."Page's responses to basic questions were meandering, avoidant, and involved several long diversions. Despite the meticulous records Page kept on his personal hard drive detailing his daily routines, he was unable to recall any details of his trips to Moscow, or the names of senior Russian officials with whom he met, despite using his engagements with them to build his credentials within the Campaign."

In a footnote, the report adds, “The Carter Page FISA order and renewals are examined in detail in the DOJ OIG FISA Report. While there were several problems with the FBI's FISA renewals for Page, the Committee assesses that Page's previous ties to Russian intelligence officers, coupled with his Russian travel, justified the FBI's initial concerns about Page.".."
 
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cpwill said:
... we don't vote for parties? We vote for individuals. While I share some of your general sentiment, that doesn't mean every member of the GOP is insane.
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Just the people leading it?

Seems like a desperate parsing.
 
Taylor said:
Lol, sorry I don't have any quotes from your tiny, left-wing bubble.
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My "tiny, left wing bubble" included my presentation to you, as well as to readers not irresistibly attracted to Trump, of transcripts by two federal judges conflicting with your conclusion, as well as the footnoted references (see below) to specifics in the Mueller Report presented on the wikipedia linked page describing what is actually stated in the Mueller Report, as well as a link to what was stated in the bi-partisan US Senate Intelligence Committee report, all of which you ignored.

I don't know which is more repugnant, the hold Trump obviously has over you, the shallowness and lack of attention to detail in your several responses here, or the smugness by someone who has no justification to adopt that air while ensnared in a cult of personality.

513 supporting, linked footnotes and your dismissal is based on the opinion of one guy who homeschools his kids and dismisses all wikipedia articles, not the one I specifically cited? Shallow, on your part. :
en.wikipedia.org

Mueller report - Wikipedia

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rickc said:
You name it and Republicans are on the wrong side.

My question is:

How many of you out there can bring yourselves to vote for the new Republican party in our next election?
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If the push to reinstate trump at the next election, what is new about the GOP?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Your opening assertion renders this thread entirely worthless. Among republicants there are those with different views on many issues or policy positions and, of course, that is true among demorats as well. Trying to equate Liz Cheney and Mitch McConnell is as moronic as trying to equate Joe Manchin and AOC based on sharing a party label.
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Joe Manchin has proven that he's a republican plant. He takes his money from big oil and the Koch brothers. His refusal to eliminate or modify the filibuster puts him right up there with Mitch and all of his obstructionists.
 
rickc said:
You name it and Republicans are on the wrong side.

My question is:

How many of you out there can bring yourselves to vote for the new Republican party in our next election?
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First of all, you need to change the poll question.

The only thing that make me vote for any Republican is someone threatening to kill me if I don't.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL They are all tarred with the same brush regardless. The party of Trump must be vanquished entirely. The message that sends is the only way to cleanse them of the filth they have collected. Wake up and smell the stench.
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I was talking about how dangerous Trump was way back when folks on the left were delighted with how much chaos he was sowing in the GOP ranks, and writing articles about how-at-least-he-was-better-than-Cruz-or-Rubio, but, no; not all Republicans are tarred with his brush, any more than all Democrats were pro-rapist Because Bill Clinton.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Joe Manchin has proven that he's a republican plant. He takes his money from big oil and the Koch brothers. His refusal to eliminate or modify the filibuster puts him right up there with Mitch and all of his obstructionists.
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Joe Manchin is the MVP of the Democratic caucus and I, for one, am very glad that we have him. I mean, he represents West Virginia of all places. Were you expecting West Virginia to elect a Bernie Sanders clone?
 
SMTA said:
That one time Pence did the right thing
Before that, Pence was an absolute yes man for Trump and regurgitated all of Trump’s lies and pure insanity for their entire time together.
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Mostly he refused to acknowledge them, trying to do the "well the President has a platform and he's going to put out his message, but, I think the real problem here is what the crazy Other Guys Are Doing" schtick.

I'm not saying the man should be in leadership, or even elected office, ever again. The same is true of Cruz and Hawley. But it does deserve to be noted that he eventually said Enough - there was, eventually, something he was more loyal to than Trump. That's better than some other elected Republicans.
 
cpwill said:
Mostly he refused to acknowledge them, trying to do the "well the President has a platform and he's going to put out his message, but, I think the real problem here is what the crazy Other Guys Are Doing" schtick.

I'm not saying the man should be in leadership, or even elected office, ever again. The same is true of Cruz and Hawley. But it does deserve to be noted that he eventually said Enough - there was, eventually, something he was more loyal to than Trump. That's better than some other elected Republicans.
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Yea, I know.
I never understood how a claimed religious man like him was so quick to agree with and support Trump.
It disappoints me when politicians lose their religion and morals for political gain.
That’s when their character goes to zero for me.
It’s like the saying about a man showing true character in how they treat their dog when nobody’s watching.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Joe Manchin has proven that he's a republican plant. He takes his money from big oil and the Koch brothers. His refusal to eliminate or modify the filibuster puts him right up there with Mitch and all of his obstructionists.
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Hmm… would that be the same filibuster used over 300 times by (obstructionist?) demorats immediately before they gained a 50/50 Senate majority and the WH?

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Democrats used filibuster 327 times, compared to only once by GOP in 2020: Report - Washington Examiner

President Joe Biden has been increasingly critical of the Senate filibuster, calling it a Jim Crow relic and saying it has been widely abused despite Democrats using it over 300 times in 2020, compared to once by Republicans. “After @POTUS @JoeBiden denounced the rampant abuse of the filibuster...
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VySky said:
I vote for freedom so that excludes the Democrat Party.
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Quit pretending Republicans are about freedom, no one buys it.
 
rickc said:
You name it and Republicans are on the wrong side.

My question is:

How many of you out there can bring yourselves to vote for the new Republican party in our next election?
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, I think you've got it bass ackwards. I don't give a damn about Trump. Don't care what happens to him or if he is never president again BUT I will never vote again for the Democratic party who have gone full socialist whacko.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… would that be the same filibuster used over 300 times by (obstructionist?) demorats immediately before they gained a 50/50 Senate majority and the WH?
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It would be better if the majority was able to enact its agenda that the voters wanted. If they overreach, the voters can punish them in the next election. The filibuster is just a tool for gridlock and obstruction. There is no reason it needs to exist.

(With that said, I like Joe Manchin and I understand why he's reluctant to end it.)
 
post said:
My "tiny, left wing bubble" included my presentation to you, as well as to readers not irresistibly attracted to Trump, of transcripts by two federal judges conflicting with your conclusion, as well as the footnoted references (see below) to specifics in the Mueller Report presented on the wikipedia linked page describing what is actually stated in the Mueller Report, as well as a link to what was stated in the bi-partisan US Senate Intelligence Committee report, all of which you ignored.

I don't know which is more repugnant, the hold Trump obviously has over you, the shallowness and lack of attention to detail in your several responses here, or the smugness by someone who has no justification to adopt that air while ensnared in a cult of personality.

513 supporting, linked footnotes and your dismissal is based on the opinion of one guy who homeschools his kids and dismisses all wikipedia articles, not the one I specifically cited? Shallow, on your part. :
en.wikipedia.org

Mueller report - Wikipedia

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I'm sorry you didn't actually read it.
 
cpwill said:
I was talking about how dangerous Trump was way back when folks on the left were delighted with how much chaos he was sowing in the GOP ranks, and writing articles about how-at-least-he-was-better-than-Cruz-or-Rubio, but, no; not all Republicans are tarred with his brush, any more than all Democrats were pro-rapist Because Bill Clinton.
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Any Republican worth a damn has renounced the party and become democrats or independents. It's too far gone for saving. A vote for any in the GOP is a vote for the one term mistake and insurrection. That needs to be made clear in the midterms too.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… would that be the same filibuster used over 300 times by (obstructionist?) demorats immediately before they gained a 50/50 Senate majority and the WH?

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Democrats used filibuster 327 times, compared to only once by GOP in 2020: Report - Washington Examiner

President Joe Biden has been increasingly critical of the Senate filibuster, calling it a Jim Crow relic and saying it has been widely abused despite Democrats using it over 300 times in 2020, compared to once by Republicans. “After @POTUS @JoeBiden denounced the rampant abuse of the filibuster...
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com
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That was Mitch's fault 100% He would not bring even one bipartisan bill to the floor.
 
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