The Republican News Channel

[Deegan]

Not asking if its impossible to watch or crap, asking if in the eyes of the right is a news show or just another "editoral" along the lines of Hanity and wuss or O'Rielly.

You see thats the crud of the whole debate. The anti Fox News people go after the whole station and all the programs because of the clear cut biased nature of everything thats on that channel. The pro Fox News people claim that the shows we all complain about are "editorials" or similar and hence not "news". If this is true then Fox News is an editorial station with small news bulletins once in a while, with most of that taken off the "wires". Hence how can Fox call its self a news channel if it hides behind "editorials"?

Is not the editoral stuff a reflection of the attitude and policy of a news organistaion? So when O'Rielly goes after gays and same sex marriage, he speaks for his station, when he uses missleading and wrong information to prove his points, then his methods and comments reflect the station and what they stand for...... else they would not have him on that station correct?

Of course it is, and it's obviously a reflection of the huge number of folks that tune in every night, if you don't like it, watch CNN, it's really that simple. That's what is great about this country, you can watch CNN, or CBS, or HBO for that matter, and you can get just the spin that sets your little heart a flutter, what makes some here so angry is, FOX is kicking all their butts combined.

 

[Thorgasm]

Of course it is, and it's obviously a reflection of the huge number of folks that tune in every night, if you don't like it, watch CNN, it's really that simple. That's what is great about this country, you can watch CNN, or CBS, or HBO for that matter, and you can get just the spin that sets your little heart a flutter, what makes some here so angry is, FOX is kicking all their butts combined.

It doesn't make me angry. Marylin Manson is popular too. I can still like other bands and not hate him for that. It's nite after nite of logic fallacies, namecalling, and shouting down of dissenting voices that disturbs me. It should bother you as well. It's Jerry Springer for Cable News. Jerry Springer is popular too. Does that make his the best talk show? It is a commentary on our society. I blame Vince McMahon and "professional" wrestling.:mrgreen:

 

[Deegan]

It doesn't make me angry. Marylin Manson is popular too. I can still like other bands and not hate him for that. It's nite after nite of logic fallacies, namecalling, and shouting down of dissenting voices that disturbs me. It should bother you as well. It's Jerry Springer for Cable News. Jerry Springer is popular too. Does that make his the best talk show? It is a commentary on our society. I blame Vince McMahon and "professional" wrestling.:mrgreen:

I just don't see it that way, I see a well run, well hosted cable news channel, who has dominated the cable news landscape, and are now attacked for that success. It reminds me of the hate filled socialist that want to burn the rich at the stake, it's simply a case of class envy.

 

[Thorgasm]

I just don't see it that way, I see a well run, well hosted cable news channel, who has dominated the cable news landscape, and are now attacked for that success. It reminds me of the hate filled socialist that want to burn the rich at the stake, it's simply a case of class envy.

Nice talking point. It totally refutes the "logic fallacies, namecalling, and shouting down of dissenting voices" I was speaking of. :roll:

How absurd is it to have guests on that you are just going to ignore, cut mics, and shout down. If you want to be upset about liberal media bias you have to be above bias your self. That is a hard thing to do. To claim that they are fair and balanced is false. You see it from the photos they use (good pics for conservatives, bad pics for liberals). The little Freudian slips in their graphics are a tell also.

 

[Deegan]

Nice talking point. It totally refutes the "logic fallacies, namecalling, and shouting down of dissenting voices" I was speaking of. :roll:

How absurd is it to have guests on that you are just going to ignore, cut mics, and shout down. If you want to be upset about liberal media bias you have to be above bias your self. That is a hard thing to do. To claim that they are fair and balanced is false. You see it from the photos they use (good pics for conservatives, bad pics for liberals). The little Freudian slips in their graphics are a tell also.

I did refute your assumptions, I said I don't see it that way, if you don't like the channel, don't give yourself an ulcer, just watch something else. These opinion shows have no duty to remain unbiased, that is why they are called "opinion shows"! You are once again confusing these shows, with the fair and balanced news that is shown everyday. If you were complaining about everyone else, and their opinion shows, I might actually believe you want real change, but you don't, and neither do I. I happen to enjoy having shows like this, shows that speak to my views, and ideals, I'm sure you do as well. I also like to hear the other side of the debate when I don't agree, I then change the channel, but I'm not going to short change myself just because some hysterical liberals don't like FOX.

 

[Captain America]

I think that wussy Colmes, FOX's token liberal, should be replaced with someone like Bill Maher who has the balls to outshout Hannity and make him look like the asnine fool that he is.

I think Colmes was selected simply because he is a poor counter balance. They would not dare put a liberal in his seat that could hold his/her own weight.

 

[Deegan]

I think that wussy Colmes, FOX's token liberal, should be replaced with someone like Bill Maher who has the balls to outshout Hannity and make him look like the asnine fool that he is.

I think Colmes was selected simply because he is a poor counter balance. They would not dare put a liberal in his seat that could hold his/her own weight.

I happen to respect Colmes, he is fair, rational, and very set in his beliefs, even if I don't always agree, but he is far from being a "wussy". I just think you guys want some irrational Howard Dean like character on there, and that is just not what people want to see, hence the fall of Air America.

 

[Captain America]

What rightwinger wouldn't like Colmes? He validates just about everything they need validating. That's the plan baby!

 

[Caine]

What rightwinger wouldn't like Colmes? He validates just about everything they need validating. That's the plan baby!

Yes... and you see Hannity shout down and cut mics and so on, but you don't see Colmes ever do stuff like that.

Colmes is comparable to Milton from Office Space... "Its m..m..m..my..my...my stapler" He doesn't have the BALLS needed to compete there.

But, maybe one day, like Milton, he will get upset and just burn the damned place down. Now THAT would be something eh?

NOTE: Im being sarcastic and I am not advocating Arson that could possibly harm others. Do, conservatives, don't get your panties all in a wad.

 

[PeteEU]

Of course it is, and it's obviously a reflection of the huge number of folks that tune in every night, if you don't like it, watch CNN, it's really that simple. That's what is great about this country, you can watch CNN, or CBS, or HBO for that matter, and you can get just the spin that sets your little heart a flutter, what makes some here so angry is, FOX is kicking all their butts combined.

So you would rather watch news that reflects you and your views, than watch news based on facts?

Dont you want to be informed and not told what you have to belive.. aka brainwashed?

Whats the use of news if the information thats transmitted is what you want to hear (or even worse what others what you to hear)? Thats what they did in the old USSR, and still do in China, Cuba, North Korea, Iran and others dictatorships.

So if your prefered new stations started to say that all is well in Iraq, the world is not under a global warming threat and the world is flat.. then you would believe them?

 

[WI Crippler]

I think that wussy Colmes, FOX's token liberal, should be replaced with someone like Bill Maher who has the balls to outshout Hannity and make him look like the asnine fool that he is.

I think Colmes was selected simply because he is a poor counter balance. They would not dare put a liberal in his seat that could hold his/her own weight.

They should have a rotating seat of liberal shouters on Hannity. You could start with Bill Maher, move to Rosie O Donnell, then get Howard Dean. :rofl
It would do nothing for liberals to gain any respect from conservatives to bring people like that on.
Instead of embracing wackos like them, liberals should start pushing forward stable men and women who stand on some kind of principle (wether it agrees with cons or not) and back it up with intelligent debate.

 

[Captain America]

It would do nothing for liberals to gain any respect from conservatives to bring people like that on.

By my observations, hard rightwingers seem to respect the ones who can outshout the most such as O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc.

So, I don't get what you are saying here.

They seem to take intelligence and civility as a weakness.

As Donahue told O'Reilly, "Just because you can outshout someone doesn't mean you're right."

I'm not saying they actually need someone to outshout their heroes. I am saying they need to find liberals that are smart enough and quick enough to make them look like the fools they are. And then give them a microphone. Colmes is too timid and not aggressive enough to sit next to Hannity and I personally believe that was their plan all along.

But I'm not talkin' about the Dean and O'Donnel kinda liberals. Because, in my opinion, they are just as idiotic as the FOX pundits. I cannot stand O'Donnell myself. If she's on the air, I change the channel.

 

[WI Crippler]

By my observations, hard rightwingers seem to respect the ones who can outshout the most such as O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc.

So, I don't get what you are saying here.

They seem to take intelligence and civility as a weakness.

As Donahue told O'Reilly, "Just because you can outshout someone doesn't mean you're right."

I'm not saying they actually need someone to outshout their heroes. I am saying they need to find liberals that are smart enough and quick enough to make them look like the fools they are. And then give them a microphone. Colmes is too timid and not aggressive enough to sit next to Hannity and I personally believe that was their plan all along.

But I'm not talkin' about the Dean and O'Donnel kinda liberals. Because, in my opinion, they are just as idiotic as the FOX pundits. I cannot stand O'Donnell myself. If she's on the air, I change the channel.

Well i don't normally watch his show, but Donny Duetshce or howerver you spell it, had Ann Coulter on, and he was able to engage in civil disagreement with her and basically make her look foolish, without yelling, mic cutting, screaming. I think that what people who are liberal need is someone to engage in this manner, and be able to turn the angry, yelling against the guys you all hate so much.
In other forums, I have discussions with people about political and social issues, and I have always engaged people with reading their points, pointing out my disagreements without attacking their character or person. Then when they attack my character, I point out that I never called them a dumbass, or retard because they hold different beliefs than I do. Usually thats enough to get them to stop and refocus on the issue being discussed. I even tend to get apologies.

I guess its why I don't have job in broadcasting.

 

[Deegan]

So you would rather watch news that reflects you and your views, than watch news based on facts?

Dont you want to be informed and not told what you have to belive.. aka brainwashed?

Whats the use of news if the information thats transmitted is what you want to hear (or even worse what others what you to hear)? Thats what they did in the old USSR, and still do in China, Cuba, North Korea, Iran and others dictatorships.

So if your prefered new stations started to say that all is well in Iraq, the world is not under a global warming threat and the world is flat.. then you would believe them?

How difficult is this for you folks to understand, the news is truth on Fox, I have never known it to be anything but, the opinion shows are opinions the histrionics of this issue are amazing?:shock:

 

[Captain America]

How difficult is this for you folks to understand, the news is truth on Fox, I have never known it to be anything but, the opinion shows are opinions the histrionics of this issue are amazing?:shock:

I understand that Dee. And you are correct.

What IS in error, however, is the fact that the whole channel, at least on my cable programming, is labeled "FOXNews" sending the message that the programming is news, when it is, in fact, not. The same for CNN, (Cable Network News) I suppose.

FOXNews is 15% news and 85% propaganda by my observations. But you are right, the 15% of it that is news, is fair and balanced in my hunble opinion.

 

[Deegan]

I understand that Dee. And you are correct.

What IS in error, however, is the fact that the whole channel, at least on my cable programming, is labeled "FOXNews" sending the message that the programming is news, when it is, in fact, not. The same for CNN, (Cable Network News) I suppose.

FOXNews is 15% news and 85% propaganda by my observations. But you are right, the 15% of it that is news, is fair and balanced in my hunble opinion.

Well I'm glad you understand that, still, real news only happens 15% of the time, it would get pretty boring should they repeat the same thing all day long. People watch for the entertainment, and news in between, this isn't PBS, it's cable.

 

[Captain America]

Well I'm glad you understand that, still, real news only happens 15% of the time, it would get pretty boring should they repeat the same thing all day long. People watch for the entertainment, and news in between, this isn't PBS, it's cable.

Methinks, that since television has exploded marketwise in the last 30 plus years, and newschannels are on television 24/7 these days, news has to be reported, invented, and opined upon in order to remain competitive and marketable.

When I was a child in Houston, Texas, the fourth largest city in America, we only had 3 channels. News only lasted 30 minutes. news, sports and weather. And the news was the news. It was what it was. No more, no less.

Further, I do not think the world has really gone to hell in a handbasket as it appears. I submit that we have always had many of the problems we face today for a very, very, long time. But since the advent of countless news channels broadcasting 24/7, the hunger for newsworthy, reportable "news" has brought our attention to these problems, that always were present, more than they used to when there were only 3 channels and 30 minutes to report the news.

 

[DeeJayH]

I understand that Dee. And you are correct.

What IS in error, however, is the fact that the whole channel, at least on my cable programming, is labeled "FOXNews" sending the message that the programming is news, when it is, in fact, not. The same for CNN, (Cable Network News) I suppose.

FOXNews is 15% news and 85% propaganda by my observations. But you are right, the 15% of it that is news, is fair and balanced in my hunble opinion.

so if CNN, "the most trusted name in News" :roll:, is so good, than why do they need to have a CNN Headline News, a whole nother channel
and even CNN HN has pundit shows, ie. Glenn Beck
get over it already
there is no news channel that is 100% news 100% of the time with no bias
and for those too stupid to be able to tell the difference, they would not be able to differentiate it, even if it was flashed across the screen during all the pundit shows
the intelligent know, the stupid remain as stupid as ever

 

[Caine]

Instead of embracing wackos like them, liberals should start pushing forward stable men and women who stand on some kind of principle (wether it agrees with cons or not) and back it up with intelligent debate.

Yes, only the stable men and women who are principled should show up on these talk shows.......................

So that they can be shouted down with ease by both the Conservative/Republican guests and the Hosts of these shows.

Sounds like the perfect political pundit talk show.... but what kind of network shall we have it run on?????

How about FOX NEWS? Wait, they already have a few shows like that O'Reiley comes to mind. As well as HANNITY and Colmes.

 

[Caine]

so if CNN, "the most trusted name in News" :roll:, is so good, than why do they need to have a CNN Headline News, a whole nother channel
and even CNN HN has pundit shows, ie. Glenn Beck
get over it already
there is no news channel that is 100% news 100% of the time with no bias
and for those too stupid to be able to tell the difference, they would not be able to differentiate it, even if it was flashed across the screen during all the pundit shows
the intelligent know, the stupid remain as stupid as ever

Yes, Glenn Beck the conservative has his own political show on the "liberal" CNN....

 

[DeeJayH]

Yes, Glenn Beck the conservative has his own political show on the "liberal" CNN....

not the point of my post
there is no single 'news only' network anywhere