The remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona in 2018

[Common Sense 1]

This just shows how extremely dangerous it is to try to illegally enter the Southern border
of the United States. The Southwestern desert is very unforgiving place. Just in this one area
they 100 + bodies each year. How many are not found?


The remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona in 2018

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/16/remains-127-dead-migrants-recovered-southern-arizona-2018/2575080002/

On the weekend before Christmas, a group of volunteers set out to search for the remains of dead migrants on the Barry Goldwater Air Force Range, a remote desert area in southwestern Arizona where military jets from bases in Arizona conduct live bombing exercises.

The volunteers from the non-profit group Aguilas del Desierto recovered the skeletal remains of eight migrants in two days.

The San Diego-based group posted pictures of some of the remains it recovered near Ajo on its Facebook page, including a skull, a jaw and a set of leg bones, bleached white by the sun.

The photos were reminders that high numbers of migrants continue to die annually in southern Arizona after crossing the border illegally, as increased border security over the years has pushed some migrants to take more treacherous treks to avoid being caught by the Border Patrol.

In 2018, the remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona, the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office said.

The office conducts autopsies on the remains of migrants found in Pima, Cochise and Santa Cruz counties, where the majority of migrants die.

 

[ecofarm]

Such people are legitimately desperate, not faking.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Such people are legitimately desperate, not faking.

That could be true but it does not give them any rights to illegally try to enter our country!!
If " legitimately desperate" was the standard for people to come here, the United States would cease
to exist under our current laws. Millions and millions would flow over whelming all services.

 

[ecofarm]

That could be true but it does not give them any rights to illegally try to enter our country!!
If " legitimately desperate" was the standard for people to come here, the United States would cease
to exist under our current laws. Millions and millions would flow over whelming all services.

They work more and commit less crimes than citizens. What are you worried about?

 

[nota bene]

I'm worried about people entering the United States illegally.

I also worry about those who are here illegally committing crimes. This is a legitimate concern. I live in a medium-sized community, smallish, really, and yet I know two people who were killed by drunk-driving "undocumented workers" who immediately fled for the border. My children's father survived a near-fatal accident caused by a DUI. Too often there is no legal redress. My county jail has 40 people in it on immigration holds.

I also worry about the spread of disease, particularly new strains of old ones. Tuberculosis had been eradicated in the U.S., but infected cattle reintroduced it in Juarez/El Paso.

But to end with the beginning, I have a problem with anybody entering the country illegally.

 

[Mr Person]

This just shows how extremely dangerous it is to try to illegally enter the Southern border
of the United States. The Southwestern desert is very unforgiving place. Just in this one area
they 100 + bodies each year. How many are not found?

But they'll be scared of a wall, right?

Dying alone in a brutal desert --> I'll chance it.
Climbing a wall --> No way.


Right?



Right?

:lamo



Put a microphone in front of a Trumpist for a while and they'll nullify their own spew.......

 

[Barnacle]

Such people are legitimately desperate, not faking.

If they avoided Border Patrol, where they could apply for asylum, it means that they already knew that they were "shady" characters ...

 

[Moderate Right]

This just shows how extremely dangerous it is to try to illegally enter the Southern border
of the United States. The Southwestern desert is very unforgiving place. Just in this one area
they 100 + bodies each year. How many are not found?


The remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona in 2018

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/16/remains-127-dead-migrants-recovered-southern-arizona-2018/2575080002/

On the weekend before Christmas, a group of volunteers set out to search for the remains of dead migrants on the Barry Goldwater Air Force Range, a remote desert area in southwestern Arizona where military jets from bases in Arizona conduct live bombing exercises.

The volunteers from the non-profit group Aguilas del Desierto recovered the skeletal remains of eight migrants in two days.

The San Diego-based group posted pictures of some of the remains it recovered near Ajo on its Facebook page, including a skull, a jaw and a set of leg bones, bleached white by the sun.

The photos were reminders that high numbers of migrants continue to die annually in southern Arizona after crossing the border illegally, as increased border security over the years has pushed some migrants to take more treacherous treks to avoid being caught by the Border Patrol.

In 2018, the remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona, the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office said.

The office conducts autopsies on the remains of migrants found in Pima, Cochise and Santa Cruz counties, where the majority of migrants die.

If we had had a monitored wall here, many of these needless deaths could have been avoided. But, Democrats are against a wall. They would rather see people just die.

 

[Mr Person]

If we had had a monitored wall here, many of these needless deaths could have been avoided. But, Democrats are against a wall. They would rather see people just die.

How about trying to post something that isn't stupidly dishonest? Why would someone willing to die horribly in a desert be scared by a wall?



Please, make this the first time you actually think about the wall.

 

[trixare4kids]

They work more and commit less crimes than citizens. What are you worried about?

Stats please or can we chalk your vapid claim up to crickets?

We also have no way of knowing if the 127 corpses of those found in the desert were "desperate" or what they were up to...

Stop guessing.

 

[Kal'Stang]

This just shows how extremely dangerous it is to try to illegally enter the Southern border
of the United States. The Southwestern desert is very unforgiving place. Just in this one area
they 100 + bodies each year. How many are not found?


The remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona in 2018

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/16/remains-127-dead-migrants-recovered-southern-arizona-2018/2575080002/

On the weekend before Christmas, a group of volunteers set out to search for the remains of dead migrants on the Barry Goldwater Air Force Range, a remote desert area in southwestern Arizona where military jets from bases in Arizona conduct live bombing exercises.

The volunteers from the non-profit group Aguilas del Desierto recovered the skeletal remains of eight migrants in two days.

The San Diego-based group posted pictures of some of the remains it recovered near Ajo on its Facebook page, including a skull, a jaw and a set of leg bones, bleached white by the sun.

The photos were reminders that high numbers of migrants continue to die annually in southern Arizona after crossing the border illegally, as increased border security over the years has pushed some migrants to take more treacherous treks to avoid being caught by the Border Patrol.

In 2018, the remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered in southern Arizona, the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office said.

The office conducts autopsies on the remains of migrants found in Pima, Cochise and Santa Cruz counties, where the majority of migrants die.

This would be one good thing about the wall. It would force them to go a different route and away from areas like that.

 

[trixare4kids]

If they avoided Border Patrol, where they could apply for asylum, it means that they already knew that they were "shady" characters ...

Oh, c'mon... they're ALL just nice people desperate to work. sarcasm alert

Desperate people apply for asylum...

 

[Kal'Stang]

Such people are legitimately desperate, not faking.

Then they should go to a port of entry or the nearest embassy and ask for asylum. Its far easier and safer.

 

[Mr Person]

Then they should go to a port of entry or the nearest embassy and ask for asylum. Its far easier and safer.

Yes, it is, but US law does also explicitly allow people to seek asylum as of right - even defensively in deportation proceedings - within 1 year, with further stays subject to additional requirements.

And I'm fairly sure it was you to whom I previously noted that Trump had been turning away people doing what you demand, so you demanded a link, so I provided it, so you said you wouldn't trust it without further corroboration.

:shrug:







(And I didn't mention the Trump admin's many moves to limit legal immigration).

 

[Kal'Stang]

Yes, it is, but US law does also explicitly allow people to seek asylum as of right - even defensively in deportation proceedings - within 1 year, with further stays subject to additional requirements.

I have no problem with people seeking asylum for any legitimate reason. :shrug:

And I'm fairly sure it was you to whom I previously noted that Trump had been turning away people doing what you demand, so you demanded a link, so I provided it, so you said you wouldn't trust it without further corroboration.

I don't recall this. I know what has been happening so wouldn't question that. It's been happening for years so I think you're thinking of someone else? :shrug:

(And I didn't mention the Trump admin's many moves to limit legal immigration).

Immigration should be limited to what the country as a whole needs. Having immigration just for the sake of immigration is irresponsible.

 

[slick]

I have no problem with people seeking asylum for any legitimate reason. :shrug:



I don't recall this. I know what has been happening so wouldn't question that. It's been happening for years so I think you're thinking of someone else? :shrug:



Immigration should be limited to what the country as a whole needs. Having immigration just for the sake of immigration is irresponsible.

Ever since Ted Kennedy discovered that you could import democrat votes, the country started the long slide
down to 3rd world standards. After all, why work for democrat votes when you can get them by edict. Donald Trump
hits the first 6-run Homer in political history tackling this hideous mess.

I was more than aware that immigration policies were detrimental to the countries future stability but when John Kerry
made his graduation speech at Northeastern University announcing that they were the first graduating class entering a
borderless world it was apparent what the left had in mind for the future.

 

[slick]

Yes, it is, but US law does also explicitly allow people to seek asylum as of right - even defensively in deportation proceedings - within 1 year, with further stays subject to additional requirements.

And I'm fairly sure it was you to whom I previously noted that Trump had been turning away people doing what you demand, so you demanded a link, so I provided it, so you said you wouldn't trust it without further corroboration.

:shrug:







(And I didn't mention the Trump admin's many moves to limit legal immigration).

I am always amused by those who just take it for granted that all asylum claims are
on the up & up. Remember that Kazir Khan guy who the Democrats used during Clinton's
acceptance of the Democrat nomination. What araket that guy indulged in. Also:

The law is constantly abused & here is just one example:
Former north suburban immigration lawyer known for advocating on behalf of Syrian and Iraqi
Christians was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison Wednesday for falsifying paperwork in a bid to
help clients win asylum in the United States on bogus claims of torture and religious persecution.

In denying Robert DeKelaita's request for probation, U.S. District Judge Matthew Kennelly said the decadelong
fraud scheme has "a ripple effect" that erodes the public's trust in the country's immigration system.

"He learned its loopholes and gamed them, fitting his carefully drafted lies into what he knew asylum
officers to be looking for, matching those lies with media reports of real events in (his clients') home countries,"
Assistant U.S. Attorneys Andrianna Kastenek and Lindsay Jenkins wrote in a recent court filing.

DeKelaita was charged in September 2014 with accepting fees to submit false information on behalf of
clients who were foreign nationals and coaching them on how to lie during interviews with the Department
of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency.

Seeking to win asylum for clients, DeKelaita used false applicant names, religions, dates of
entry into the U.S., birthdays and family histories and wrote up phony accounts of rape, murder
and other religious persecution at the hands of reputed Islamic extremists in Iraq, prosecutors said.

Two interpreters who worked with DeKelaita -— Adam Benjamin and Yousif Yousif — were also charged
for intentionally mistranslating answers given by clients and adding testimony they had not given in an effort
to secure asylum on their behalf.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...tion-lawyer-sentenced-met-20170322-story.html

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Oh, c'mon... they're ALL just nice people desperate to work. sarcasm alert

Desperate people apply for asylum...

You don't understand what "asylum" actually is.
Mexicans cannot apply because their claims get denied about 99% of the time. I mean, they CAN apply but there's no point in doing so. Hondurans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans and Salvadorans have a better chance.
That's because in order for an asylum claim to be taken seriously, the applicant must claim that they are fleeing a legitimately recognized humanitarian crisis such as a massive crime wave that engulfs entire towns, political death squads, religious persecution, etc.

Enough of MX is stable that despite the trouble spots and the narcotraficante issues, it is still not enough to label MX as the site of a legitimate humanitarian crisis. Now add in the likelihood that few of these people possess any advanced understanding of how any of this works. A few Zapatistas have been granted asylum because of the widespread political violence and killings that were happening a few years ago.

Folks who are well off enough that they can afford to educate themselves on the details and minutae of the US legal system are generally the kind who can afford to pay to enter the legal immigration process. They are generally the latino version of the one percent, or maybe the five percent. Poor workers aren't even close, and they can only afford to walk, or give their life savings to "coyotes".

But again, it is doubtful that your typical poor worker from Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador know even diddly about the asylum application process, or even if they do, they don't generally have enough sophistication to do much more than just walk across and hope the Border Patrol will let them claim asylum. (which of course, BP generally does not do - not their job)

Port of Entry?
Que? No se...que es "porto de entrar"? Donde?

("Port of entry, I dunno, what's that? Where?")

Asylum is a strict set of legal definitions, but you're no different than these border jumpers, because even you don't actually understand how it works, and you expect them to understand it?
Many do, but many just DON'T. It's just that simple...many of these people don't understand the way it works, and you just proved it today for yourself.

 

[Northern Light]

I mean this in a non-partisan way. It's pretty crazy what people will endure on the slim hope of having a better life. I've been on desert excursions before with lots of supplies and even then it was often arduous. I can't imaging trying to cross the southern border with next to nothing. The resiliency of the human spirit is incredible. Too bad they had to die in the process.

 

[Lursa]

I'm worried about people entering the United States illegally.

I also worry about those who are here illegally committing crimes. This is a legitimate concern. I live in a medium-sized community, smallish, really, and yet I know two people who were killed by drunk-driving "undocumented workers" who immediately fled for the border. My children's father survived a near-fatal accident caused by a DUI. Too often there is no legal redress. My county jail has 40 people in it on immigration holds.

I also worry about the spread of disease, particularly new strains of old ones. Tuberculosis had been eradicated in the U.S., but infected cattle reintroduced it in Juarez/El Paso.

But to end with the beginning, I have a problem with anybody entering the country illegally.

TB has never been eradicated in the US. It has remained active in urban areas.

 

[markjs]

They work more and commit less crimes than citizens. What are you worried about?

They're BROWN! He's ****ting himself with fear!

 

[markjs]

How about trying to post something that isn't stupidly dishonest? Why would someone willing to die horribly in a desert be scared by a wall?



Please, make this the first time you actually think about the wall.

No, they can't THINK! LIzard brain isn't capable of that, only FEAR BROWN, BROWN IS SCARY!

 

[markjs]

TB has never been eradicated in the US. It has remained active in urban areas.

In fact it's epidemic in some areas.

 

[holbritter]

In fact it's epidemic in some areas.

TB disease in the United States is most common among people who travel to or who were born in countries with high rates of TB. In 2017, a total of 70.1% of reported TB cases in the United States occurred among non-U.S.-born persons.

TB case counts were highest in California, Texas, New York (including New York City), and Florida. These four states accounted for just under half of the total cases in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/tbtrends.htm


Connect the dots.

 

[markjs]

TB disease in the United States is most common among people who travel to or who were born in countries with high rates of TB. In 2017, a total of 70.1% of reported TB cases in the United States occurred among non-U.S.-born persons.

TB case counts were highest in California, Texas, New York (including New York City), and Florida. These four states accounted for just under half of the total cases in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/tbtrends.htm


Connect the dots.

The wall, which WON'T HAPPEN, wouldn't help the situation, at all, if it was built. So back to your daily fearmongering. You won't get your wall, but you can keep screaming about your fear of brown folk and hope someone is moved.:roll:

Dismissed:roll: