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The Reign Of Morons Is Here

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Charles Pierce is a bit upset

Only the truly naive can be truly surprised.

Only the truly child-like can have expected anything else.

In the year of our Lord 2010, the voters of the United States elected the worst Congress in the history of the Republic. There have been Congresses more dilatory. There have been Congresses more irresponsible, though not many of them. There have been lazier Congresses, more vicious Congresses, and Congresses less capable of seeing forests for trees. But there has never been in a single Congress -- or, more precisely, in a single House of the Congress -- a more lethal combination of political ambition, political stupidity, and political vainglory than exists in this one, which has arranged to shut down the federal government because it disapproves of a law passed by a previous Congress, signed by the president, and upheld by the Supreme Court, a law that does nothing more than extend the possibility of health insurance to the millions of Americans who do not presently have it, a law based on a proposal from a conservative think-tank and taken out on the test track in Massachusetts by a Republican governor who also happens to have been the party's 2012 nominee for president of the United States. That is why the government of the United States is, in large measure, closed this morning.
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We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.
 

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In other words if someone doesn't agree with you they are morons? I realize its just name calling, but I'll suggest you wiki "fascism" and see how it fits in to the socialist mode and how fascist need to use things like name callings for their opponents. They do this to fuel defense of their ways of obtaining control over masses of population to demean their opposition. You might want to engage in a little self evaluation because I'm sure you are a good person and don't hold fascist values; just because you are engaging in fascism and might not be aware of it.
 

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The issue is not so much the political opinions of these house members. It is that they are simply bad at governing. They don't know how to do it. Governing, in this country, means compromise and getting along with people you disagree with. It means people from across the political spectrum working together and producing an outcome that attempts to satisfy everyone as much as possible. Acting instead like a stick in the mud and refusing to cooperate with anyone and holding out for nothing less than complete dominance over the entire system, despite representing the interests of a small minority of voters is entirely contrary to what members of congress are supposed to do. The house Tea Partiers are objectively bad at their job.
 

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The Reign Of Morons Is Here
Dems have been reigning for awhile now.



Governing, in this country, means compromise
Really?
Said who?

As far as I know. that isn't written anywhere.
And frankly, no one should compromise on making this country weaker with bs like the ACA, or anything else the Dems suggest.


The house Tea Partiers are objectively bad at their job.
Obviously they are not.
 

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Having read the screed, it's quite obvious just who the moron is - Charles Pierce. Step away from the keyboard dude, you're not doing yourself any favors.
 

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...just because you are engaging in fascism and might not be aware of it.

You're making an "all squares are rectangles and all rectangles are squares" argument here.

While name-calling might be a tactic that's been adopted by fascists in the past (or even if you want to argue that name-calling is a necessary component of fascism) it hardly stands to reason that anyone who name-calls is a fascist.

If it were true, then every Republican/Conservative to ever use the terms "Demonrat" or "libtard" or a million and one other pithy anti-Liberal/Democrat slurs would be a fascist. Every Republican/Conservative who ever referred to the president as "Obummer", or suggested he was a Socialist Kenyan Muslim, or any of the other personally-directed slurs against him would be a fascist. Every Republican/Conservative who ever made the case that members of the OWS movement were dirty, shifty, criminal hippies would be a fascist.

And I'm sure you're not arguing that a good portion, perhaps the majority, of all Republican/Conservative political discussion forum members are fascists.

It's possible that two entirely different things can share similar properties while still remaining two entirely different things.

As evidence I submit "the sky" and "the ocean".

Both blue, and for related reasons, but clearly two very different things.
 
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It's now that I should point out to the morons that this is the 18th shutdown in American history, 8 under Reagan staged by the Democrats alone, and 4 during the Carter administration when the President, House and Senate were all controlled by Democrats.
 

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The issue is not so much the political opinions of these house members. It is that they are simply bad at governing. They don't know how to do it. Governing, in this country, means compromise and getting along with people you disagree with. It means people from across the political spectrum working together and producing an outcome that attempts to satisfy everyone as much as possible. Acting instead like a stick in the mud and refusing to cooperate with anyone and holding out for nothing less than complete dominance over the entire system, despite representing the interests of a small minority of voters is entirely contrary to what members of congress are supposed to do. The house Tea Partiers are objectively bad at their job.

Because I respect you opinion what harm is it to ONLY delay the individual mandate one year?
 

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Dems have been reigning for awhile now.



Really?
Said who?

As far as I know. that isn't written anywhere.
And frankly, no one should compromise on making this country weaker with bs like the ACA, or anything else the Dems suggest.


Obviously they are not.

There are procedures and protocol for passing bills and amendments in congress and allowing a few baby congressmen who can't get their way run rough shod over the constitution and hold the country hostage isn't the American way. Instead, it's taking this country from a super power and turning it into a banana republic.

A plague is in the house.
 

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There are procedures and protocol for passing bills and amendments in congress and allowing a few baby congressmen who can't get their way run rough shod over the constitution and hold the country hostage isn't the American way. Instead, it's taking this country from a super power and turning it into a banana republic.

A plague is in the house.
Right and they brought this monstrosity into being in an inappropriate fashion.
As for the rest; Wrong!
The House is doing the job they were elected to do.
The plague is obviously the Senate.
 
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I understand your point but don't fully agree. For example there is a difference from calling obama the loser in charge, obummer, etc. That is labeling an individual; the author of this thread and the writer they quote are calling (pretty much) all those people they disagree with morons. Now you said someone labeling democrats "libtards" would be similar and yes it would be. That, like the OP, are labeling a large group - like fascist do.

Also socialist (and the OP notes they are a socialist in their "leaning)" are prone to fascism. I think when a socialist engages in such broad labeling its worth noting they are engaging in these fascist like activities. Fascist have been largely responsible for the deaths of millions of people in the world and we should - at every step - work to re educate them and bring them down off their fascist pedestal - no?


You're making an "all squares are rectangles and all rectangles are squares" argument here.

While name-calling might be a tactic that's been adopted by fascists in the past (or even if you want to argue that name-calling is a necessary component of fascism) it hardly stands to reason that anyone who name-calls is a fascist.

If it were true, then every Republican/Conservative to ever use the terms "Demonrat" or "libtard" or a million and one other pithy anti-Liberal/Democrat slurs would be a fascist. Every Republican/Conservative who ever referred to the president as "Obummer", or suggested he was a Socialist Kenyan Muslim, or any of the other personally-directed slurs against him would be a fascist. Every Republican/Conservative who ever made the case that members of the OWS movement were dirty, shifty, criminal hippies would be a fascist.

And I'm sure you're not arguing that a good portion, perhaps the majority, of all Republican/Conservative political discussion forum members are fascists.

It's possible that two entirely different things can share similar properties while still remaining two entirely different things.

As evidence I submit "the sky" and "the ocean".

Both blue, and for related reasons, but clearly two very different things.
 

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Right and they brought this monstrosity in to being in an inappropriate fashion.
As for the rest; Wrong!
The House is doing the job they were elected to do.
The plague is obviously the Senate.

And the president said he would work with all parties in the past, and he has even recently said he'd like to resolve issues with Iran who stones to death gay people, but yet he is telling the legislative body of his own government he won't discuss anything other than having it his way.

The American people will see this for what it is; extremism on the radical left, and they will begin to reject harry reid and obama for their unwillingness to engage in the political process and govern. Next November, 2014, they will further lose that right to govern - as they should.
 

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There is no doubt. The tea party are knownothing nihilists. They will cause the US government to default on its debt and result in another recession that will cost 1M jobs. They are freaks.

The only solution is removing them from office. Impeachment or recall, take your pick.
 

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There is no doubt. The tea party are knownothing nihilists. They will cause the US government to default on its debt and result in another recession that will cost 1M jobs. They are freaks.

Denigration is such an effective debate tactic...typical Progressive meme!

The only solution is removing them from office. Impeachment or recall, take your pick.

Start a movement! Make it happen...perhaps utilize an alternate tactic that OWS...:lamo
 

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There is no doubt. The tea party are knownothing nihilists. They will cause the US government to default on its debt and result in another recession that will cost 1M jobs. They are freaks.

The only solution is removing them from office. Impeachment or recall, take your pick.
Funny, as it is the Senate that caused the shutdown.
 

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Fascist have been largely responsible for the deaths of millions of people in the world and we should - at every step - work to re educate them and bring them down off their fascist pedestal - no?

I think there's a big difference between 21st century Western Democratic (the politics, not the Party) Liberals and mid-20th century Nationalist Totalitarian Fascists.

Don't you?

I mean, if we really wanna hunt and peck we can probably find similarities between mainstream Conservative views and the administrative policies of the Mongol Empire.

Take universal taxation as one example.

Just because both modern American Conservatives and Genghis Khan believe(d) that everyone should pay their fair share doesn't mean that our Conservatives want to lead us down the road toward imperial global domination where we'll hold no treaties with those who would refuse to submit.

I wouldn't say I'm a liberal, but I'm certainly more liberal than you. I call people names all the time and think the most awful things about large groups of people. I'm the furthest thing from a fascist.

It's just silly, is all I'm saying.

But, having said it, if you feel compelled to make it your mission I certainly won't stand in your way.
 

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The American people will see this for what it is; extremism on the radical left, and they will begin to reject harry reid and obama for their unwillingness to engage in the political process and govern. Next November, 2014, they will further lose that right to govern - as they should.
We can hope. Yet with the MSM being in bed with liberal thought, it is an uphill battle.
 

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Charles Pierce is a bit upset


It seems that the esteemed Mr. Pierce has forgotten that the whole reason those "morons" are in office is because Americans so hated what the previous Congress had foisted upon them that they ran those bastards out of office. This current batch of "morons" (and there are nowhere near enough of them in Congress) are doing the job that the American people elected them to do.
 

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The issue is not so much the political opinions of these house members. It is that they are simply bad at governing. They don't know how to do it. Governing, in this country, means compromise and getting along with people you disagree with. It means people from across the political spectrum working together and producing an outcome that attempts to satisfy everyone as much as possible. Acting instead like a stick in the mud and refusing to cooperate with anyone and holding out for nothing less than complete dominance over the entire system, despite representing the interests of a small minority of voters is entirely contrary to what members of congress are supposed to do. The house Tea Partiers are objectively bad at their job.

That's one man's view. I, on the other hand, believe in representative democracy - the kind where we as a people, collectively in various districts, send our political representative to the seat of power to represent our views in the larger government forum. This form of representative democracy takes the place of every issue being decided by referendum. As such, I only respect representatives who actually go to the seat of power and represent the views that got them elected and stay true to those principles. For me, it's completely honorable and to be respected when a politician actually keeps his/her word.

Perhaps "tea partiers" are bad at the job you want them to do but they're damn good at the job they were elected to do.
 

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Actually the modern day liberal in charge of America does concern me of heading into a fascist state. If you were to spend some time reading about fascism and its tenants you will note some Republican tendencies too - that alarm me as well. Big government, division between have and have nots, personal freedoms, government snooping, rights to bear arms, ignoring the constitution / rule of law, and labeling the other side "morons" as we see in the OP and we have come to expect from many democrats (jihad, war, arsonist, killers, etc) all terms used by democrats when referring to their opposition as of late. A grandiose sense of supremacy in a single leader is a trait of fascism and we have seen that in the lefts defense of obama's failures and even tactics. We even have people defending the use of the IRS to attack tea party groups around here - very scary.

Considering that democide (governments killing people) have murdered 260 + million people in the last 113 years I think its prudent we stay on the highest alert for people with such attitudes - don't you?


I think there's a big difference between 21st century Western Democratic (the politics, not the Party) Liberals and mid-20th century Nationalist Totalitarian Fascists.

Don't you?

I mean, if we really wanna hunt and peck we can probably find similarities between mainstream Conservative views and the administrative policies of the Mongol Empire.

Take universal taxation as one example.

Just because both modern American Conservatives and Genghis Khan believe(d) that everyone should pay their fair share doesn't mean that our Conservatives want to lead us down the road toward imperial global domination where we'll hold no treaties with those who would refuse to submit.

I wouldn't say I'm a liberal, but I'm certainly more liberal than you. I call people names all the time and think the most awful things about large groups of people. I'm the furthest thing from a fascist.

It's just silly, is all I'm saying.

But, having said it, if you feel compelled to make it your mission I certainly won't stand in your way.
 

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It's now that I should point out to the morons that this is the 18th shutdown in American history, 8 under Reagan staged by the Democrats alone, and 4 during the Carter administration when the President, House and Senate were all controlled by Democrats.

No, it's just the 18th in the last 40 years.
 

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Right and they brought this monstrosity in to being in an inappropriate fashion.
The bill was passed by both the house and the senate and signed into law by the duly elected president and upheld by the SCOTUS. It doesn't get any more appropiate than that.

Whats inappropiate is a minority who couldn't get the votes to repeal it by appropiate means holding the entire country hostage and destroying the economy and ruining millions of innocent peoples lives.


As for the rest; Wrong!
It's the truth.


The House is doing the job they were elected to do.
Were they elected to destroy the economy and bring the country to it's knees? The tea party is destroying this country.....

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” - Abraham Lincoln

Now it's happening in real time right before our eyes.



The plague is obviously the Senate.
A pox on the House.
 

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The bill was passed by both the house and the senate and signed into law by the duly elected president and upheld by the SCOTUS. It doesn't get any more appropiate than that.......

You might want to note that the final House vote on the bill was opposed by EVERY Republican and 30+ Democrats. You might want to note that the Senate passed this bill only after Ben Nelson on the Republican side and Bart Stupak on the Democrat side caved in to [actually, bent over and ****ed like a drunk prom date] promises which got yanked out from under them immediately after passage.

The passage of the PPACA was one of the most egregious abuses of legislative and executive power as we have ever seen in this nation.
 

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Denigration is such an effective debate tactic...typical Progressive meme!

Tea partiers aren't even original enough to come up with their own meme meme.

Start a movement! Make it happen...perhaps utilize an alternate tactic that OWS...:lawdwmo

Dude, it's happening. Get ready for massive recall elections.
 
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