the regressive left pandering to Islam.

[calamity]

Secular government is necessary but impossible with Islam.

At this point, I have to agree. I'm not sure it has to stay that way, but yes--the way Islam is today, it can only be forced to stay secular by some brutal dictator like Saddam, the Shah or what the Russians tried to do in Afghanistan.

 

[WCH]

It isn't though. There are left wing people that understand this.

They consider Muslims a minority in this country [which they are] so, they fit the 'victimization' profile.

We on the Right have been screaming Islams incapability with Western values for years but, it took a bunch of Gays being murdered to drive home the point??

 

[dimensionallava]

I think that's all we can do, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to remove American Muslims, that's tossing out the constitution. Not taking any refugees, and identifying illegal immigrants. Controlling our boarders.

well muslim immigration from refugees is a european problem not an american one, the few refugees america will take, go through years of investigations and will get everything short of a rectal exam to get here, there are virtually no muslim immigrants in america, the 9/11 terrorists didn't immigrate here, neither did the orlando shooter

so we have to remove the ones here dont we? and block all travel from muslims, and people with muslim sounding names and I guess anyone just from any country where muslims exist which is all of them

So anything else?

 

[Tigerace117]

In the wake of the massacre in Orlando, I've looked into Islam, and honestly I find it profoundly disturbing. Every Muslim believes the Quran, they also believe the punishments prescribed by Allah are correct. This means death to LGBT. So all true Islamic believers rejoiced at the slaying in Orlando.

So my question is, why defend Islam? It's everything that the worst or the worst of Christianity brings on its best day. After hearing so many criticisms of Christianity for nothing close to Islam for these same people to defend Islam is not just confusing but profoundly hypocritical.

And to my LGBT brothers and sisters that are left spectrum of politics, how can you defend a religion that rejoiced at this brutality?

Have you read the Old Testament recently? Somebody who takes that literally can--- and often are just as brutal.

Not to mention, for the hundredth ****ing time, ISIS wants to turn this into an "West vs Islam" battle. They want us to alienate moderate Muslims. We will never defeat the radicals if every time a politician opens his mouth he creates more.

 

[CLAX1911]

At this point, I have to agree. I'm not sure it has to stay that way, but yes--the way Islam is today, it can only be forced to stay secular by some brutal dictator like Saddam, the Shah or what the Russians tried to do in Afghanistan.

Perhaps occupation would at least stifle the aggression, but nobody is willing to do that.

As much as I hate to say this, perhaps the answer is to let them slaughter themselves for a couple hundred years and after a plague that we could cure in a heart beat wipes out a mess of them perhaps they will have had their fill of blood shed. That's what it took for Christianity.

 

[Gaztopian]

Because everything in the OP easily applies to Christianity and Judaism, yet we don't condone incitement against those religions and their adherents; in fact, we're made indignant by it. Singling out Islam and Muslims in that regard demonstrates a prejudice and an underlying malice that society is obliged to repudiate.

 

[blarg]

In the wake of the massacre in Orlando, I've looked into Islam, and honestly I find it profoundly disturbing. Every Muslim believes the Quran, they also believe the punishments prescribed by Allah are correct. This means death to LGBT. So all true Islamic believers rejoiced at the slaying in Orlando.

So my question is, why defend Islam? It's everything that the worst or the worst of Christianity brings on its best day. After hearing so many criticisms of Christianity for nothing close to Islam for these same people to defend Islam is not just confusing but profoundly hypocritical.

And to my LGBT brothers and sisters that are left spectrum of politics, how can you defend a religion that rejoiced at this brutality?

if pandering to islam is not bothering people who dont have a problem with homosexuailty

and tolerating the existence and rights of those who dont call for vivonce

then ill do it becase its the right thign to do

never underestimate the ability of people to rewrite ther faith to suit themselves

as for evry muslim who thinks bieng gay is a sin well ther assholes

and every one of them that believes in violence and religious control in order to advance the influence of ther faith are dangerous and then enemies of all people who value freedom and human rights

koran is prety horible unless you bend over backwards to ignore and reinterpret things though

 

[Gaztopian]

Perhaps occupation would at least stifle the aggression, but nobody is willing to do that.

As much as I hate to say this, perhaps the answer is to let them slaughter themselves for a couple hundred years and after a plague that we could cure in a heart beat wipes out a mess of them perhaps they will have had their fill of blood shed. That's what it took for Christianity.

Now I regret replying to this topic to begin with. Why wait? just nuke 'em.

 

[calamity]

Perhaps occupation would at least stifle the aggression, but nobody is willing to do that.

As much as I hate to say this, perhaps the answer is to let them slaughter themselves for a couple hundred years and after a plague that we could cure in a heart beat wipes out a mess of them perhaps they will have had their fill of blood shed. That's what it took for Christianity.

I was always hoping that the women would rise up and force change. I still cling to that...but, I see that it will be a long time coming, and it will cost a lot of women their lives.

In the West, during my lifetime, I've seen the tremendous strides women have made. It's a very positive development. Someday this will infect the East.

 

[ttwtt78640]

What of us will be left? How many more mother's have to lose their sons and daughters?

I don't think it's our business to drag these troglodytes into the sixteenth century. We have plenty to deal with at home.

What, exactly, does that (bolded above) mean? Are you suggesting that we ignore any Jihad activity outside of the US and pretend that these Jihad terror acts are simply crimes? I guess since we permit street gangs in our cities then we may as well let radical Islamic terrorists get a similar free pass.

 

[CLAX1911]

Have you read the Old Testament recently? Somebody who takes that literally can--- and often are just as brutal.

Generally Christians in our country dint take it literally. We had this thing called the renaissance. We also have a secular government.

Not to mention, for the hundredth ****ing time, ISIS wants to turn this into an "West vs Islam" battle. They want us to alienate moderate Muslims.

Islam wants us to alienate light Muslims. Moderate Muslims think all non Muslims should be killed. Depending on what you mean by moderate.

We will never defeat the radicals if every time a politician opens his mouth he creates more.

That is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. You think our politicians make Islamic people radicals? Do tell me, which politician made the Islamic countries governments prescribe exicution for gay people? I know George Bush. But I can point out parts of the Quran that command Muslims to do that. But I can't think of a Bush policy that caused that.

Before you go in with this "but Christianity" nonsense, in the western world we don't adhere to that. Not even a little bit.

 

[dimensionallava]

Because everything in the OP easily applies to Christianity and Judaism, yet we don't condone incitement against those religions and their adherents; in fact, we're made indignant by it. Singling out Islam and Muslims in that regard demonstrates a prejudice and an underlying malice that society is obliged to repudiate.

hey christians just do things like gas 6 million jews every once in awhile, muslims blew up two whole buildings... christians would never do that :lamo

 

[CLAX1911]

What, exactly, does that (bolded above) mean? Are you suggesting that we ignore any Jihad activity outside of the US and pretend that these Jihad terror acts are simply crimes?

No, if they threaten us or our allies, eliminate them.

I guess since we permit street gangs in our cities then we may as well let radical Islamic terrorists get a similar free pass.

This is your strawman? It's pretty pathetic.

 

[CLAX1911]

hey christians just do things like gas 6 million jews every once in awhile, muslims blew up two whole buildings... christians would never do that :lamo

Christians didn't do that, socialists did. By nature socialists are more atheist.

 

[Tigerace117]

Generally Christians in our country dint take it literally. We had this thing called the renaissance. We also have a secular government.

Islam wants us to alienate light Muslims. Moderate Muslims think all non Muslims should be killed. Depending on what you mean by moderate. That is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. You think our politicians make Islamic people radicals? Do tell me, which politician made the Islamic countries governments prescribe exicution for gay people? I know George Bush. But I can point out parts of the Quran that command Muslims to do that. But I can't think of a Bush policy that caused that.

Before you go in with this "but Christianity" nonsense, in the western world we don't adhere to that. Not even a little bit.

No, moderate Muslims don't think all non Muslims should be killed. Because their ****ing people, not a goddam hive mind.

Do you think there's a reason President Obama, and before him, President Bush, refused to suggest that we were fighting against Islam? Do you ever bother to wonder why?

Y'all really can't see it--- and that's the scary thing. Your playing right into ISIS' hands with your stupidity.

 

[dimensionallava]

Christians didn't do that, socialists did. By nature socialists are more atheist.

oh good i was concerned it was christians :lamo

 

[CLAX1911]

I was always hoping that the women would rise up and force change. I still cling to that...but, I see that it will be a long time coming, and it will cost a lot of women their lives.

More of them are complacent. Allah commands it.

I watched a movie called mad max fury road, and it had a rather interesting theme. There waa an extremely powerful man that held onto his power through religion, he placed himself as God. He told his believers that they served a great cause and if they died in the cause they would be reborn. He fed them just enough to keep them alive.

It makes me wonder if this is the point to all religion.

In the West, during my lifetime, I've seen the tremendous strides women have made. It's a very positive development. Someday this will infect the East.

The rock crushing them is Islam. Until they crawl out from under it, it'll continue.

 

[CLAX1911]

oh good i was concerned it was christians :lamo

Don't be it wasn't. It was really a cult that surrounded Hitler and his regime.

 

[Tigerace117]

Christians didn't do that, socialists did. By nature socialists are more atheist.

The Nazis weren't really Christians; but they also weren't socialists.

 

[dimensionallava]

Don't be it wasn't. It was really a cult that surrounded Hitler and his regime.

alright good because i was wondering whether we were going to have to start rounding you guys up and putting you in camps, since all christians are like hitler

but your saying he was an atheist right? so should we start gassing them before or after the muslims?

 

[CLAX1911]

No, moderate Muslims don't think all non Muslims should be killed. Because their ****ing people, not a goddam hive mind.

Yes they do. All religions are jive minds to an extant.

Do you think there's a reason President Obama, and before him, President Bush, refused to suggest that we were fighting against Islam? Do you ever bother to wonder why?

I know why.

Y'all really can't see it--- and that's the scary thing. Your playing right into ISIS' hands with your stupidity.

This is laudable. Isis is nothing. The only reason they haven't been slaughtered is because they are a useful scapegoat, and people like you can sit here and tell me ridiculous crap like you just did.

So tell me how many countries does Isis control, I think it's none, yet so many countries in this religion of peace have state sanctioned executions for homosexuals. An I to believe this is all Isis? The sacred little bogeyman?

Why would they execute gay puerile if they didn't want them dead?

Seems you are blind to the massive gaping holes in your logic. That's why you're regressive.

Now tell me all about Uganda and Christianity.

 

[CLAX1911]

alright good because i was wondering whether we were going to have to start rounding you guys up and putting you in camps, since all christians are like hitler

If a preacher at the pulpit asked his congrigation if they think Jews should be killed, none of them would say yes. They are reasoning, they are rejecting flawed immoral religious doctrine in favor of peace. That's a good thing.

Islam doesn't do this. There is a reason why they execute gay people in several countries in the middle east. Is it because of Hitler, Christians, or Islam? What's telling them that is right? What is it?

but your saying he was an atheist right?

I said he was a socialist.

so should we start gassing them before or after the muslims?

Gassing? What are you talking about?

 

[CLAX1911]

The Nazis weren't really Christians; but they also weren't socialists.

They were socialists. I don't give a **** if they were Jedi.

 

[dimensionallava]

Gassing? What are you talking about?

well thats what your arguing for right? genocide and/or forced conversion to christianity for all 1.6 billion muslims..... its a pretty common stance for republicans to have

 

[Gaztopian]

Christians didn't do that, socialists did. By nature socialists are more atheist.

Is that right?



"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Mein Kampf