Pogo Possum said:
the evidence is all around you.
in the physical world, it is impossible to make elements heavier than iron.
[Atomic number 26].
'scientists' would tell you that these elements are made by supernovas, when a neutron source saturates the iron with lots of neutrons, which then forms these heavy elements like Uranium.
But go and do a little research. I went to nuclear power school, in the Navy.
what they say is not possible.
1. you have no neutron source. The iron core of a dead star cannot be changed at the atomic level. You cannot remove a neutron from and iron atom no matter how much energy you apply to do that.
2. even if you had a fantastic neutron source, there is the matter of "microscopic cross section" [greek letter Mu]. It is the measure of the property of an atom to absorb a particular neutron. Most elements have them in the range of the 1 in 100,000 range. Some have almost no chance to absorb neutrons, like the heavier isotopes of Hafnium.
So to create ONE Uranium atom, you start with Iron, and then try shooting neutrons. After you shoot perhaps 200,000 you have now Iron 60, which decays to Cobalt 60. Now to get to Uranium 238, you have to make 178 more steps, each with at BEST a chance of 1 in 100,000 of sticking a neutron.
so the neutrons needed to create one Uranium is (100,000)^178
assuming that there were no instant decay isotopes along the way.
But, there ARE instant decay isotopes along the way.
When you start trying it out, it can't be done.
Some speculate that the iron core collapses into a mass of degenerate neutrons to form the neutron source.
Again, you have the same problem. the neutrons cannot remain neutrons once they leave the core, and that state. When you smash the electrons into the protons, to make degenerate neutrons, you are missing the gamma ray component, and the antineutrino. so it is like putting things together with no glue. It won't stick, once outside the massive gravity.
This is no valid argument. If you claim nature is too complex, then, in fact, it cannot be created. I bring you this:
1. "EVERY ACTION CAUSES A REACTION IN NATURE."
Try to ask yourself why you did something. Then again having the reason (that is a cause), ask yourself the same question: "why?". You can build an infinite loop. This proves that every action has a reason/cause and there can be no first action in nature.
Time is an infinite straight line with no end and no beginning.
Have you ever noticed that a finished explanation cannot exist? Take language as an example: Every definition of a word contains new words that again need a definition. I apply the same to time. Whether it is a circle or a straight line, it remains infinite, because there is a reason for everything.
2. "CREATION IS IMPOSSIBLE".
Creation would mean to "produce" something out of nothing, which is clearly impossible.
There is always a conversion from one material (collection name for mass and energy) to another. Burn a human body. This will create a conversion to ashes and heat.
What we perceive as creation is either:
- a composition
- a change of state of multiple smaller objects
Some major questions, however, remain:
- How can we be infinite far in time?
- Space and time are both infinitely divisible. How can an event occur in a given "time"? Considering this each event must take infinite time to occur.
An atom does not exist, because in fact it is a collection of electrons, protons and neutrans. Again an electron does not exist, it is also a collection, etc. Every particle consists of smaller particles and movement must start from the bottom.
I think the force of nature is infinite and we are infinite in time. Our bodies have infinite measures and apply infinite force.
3. "NATURE IS MASS AND ENERGY (EVERYTHING)".
Some believers now claim that their god stands above nature and that he created the big bang, which is absurd considering the two above statements. But however, for those who are still not convinced, I'd gladly continue:
God cannot stand above nature:
- Something that has no dimensions, no characteristics, no mass, neither energy is nothing.
God cannot be beyond imagination:
- Man can only imagine sound, vision, touch, smell and taste. If man cannot imagine, then he imagines nothing.
God cannot be beyond reason:
- Reason/logic is the eliminating of possibilities, the core of one' s thinking.
If a monkey picks up a stick to reach a banana, he uses logic. An idea cannot exist without logic. Even an immediate assumption (without eliminating) is considered as logic.
Conclusion: Nature is not created, it exists eternally.
Pogo Possum said:
Every single person can see the power and truth of God in creation.
You prove it yourself right here on this thread. You claim there is no God, yet you come on this thread to argue the point. A person does not argue about something they know is not true.
I argue, because I want you to follow.
Pogo Possum said:
For example, would I go argue with nutcases that think little green men live on mars? Of course not. I know there aren't any there. There is no point to arguing with someone who believes something that is not true.
You can attempt to convince one by simply applying logic.
Pogo Possum said:
Secondly, look at any culture of man. all worship something.
the mere fact that men look external to their own existance prove the spiritual dimension. Otherwise, no worship anywhere would have started ever, and every culture would behave according to human 'logic'.
Religion grew out of superstition. Ancient man feared hunt would fail, so they drew paintings at the wall. Later, in the archaic age, man believed planets were gods (look at the Romans, Greek, Inca's, Aztecs). They feared natural phenomenons such as storms, tides, earthquakes and used religion as their explanation, because they didn't have any. Now again, you use religion to explain a phenomenon.
Pogo Possum said:
No, Jesus Christ did come to the earth, and was God manifested in the flesh.
You have heard the truth, and no matter what you decide to do with Jesus, you are accountable now that you have heard.
Jesus of Nazareth did not exist, because:
- no coins of his face were found
- his grave was not found
- the town Nazareth never existed
- Roman literature did not mention him
What created us? I'll tell you. Something caused the big bang and not God, because if you have no suggestion what caused God to do so, then you break the chain of explanations. An explanation must be infinite (infinite cause/result = action/reaction).
THe big bang probably existed, because either a prior universe fell into a gravity hole or got sucked into a black hole. It was so hard compressed it had the size of a single atom and it was extreme hot. Approximately 10^-32 seconds after, the big bang, which was compressed, already had the size of a basketball.
300 000 years later, there was only energy. Physics tells us that energy can be formed into mass and vice versa. The universe kept expanding and kept cooling down. Energy formed masses. That's how the Earth was born. The Earth was actually a substances of gasses that cooled down. Vulcano's produced gasses that weaved an atmosphere. After gasses cooled down there were clouds formed and it kept raining until the oceans were made.
An asteroid with amino acids somehow crashed into the Earth. The amino acids started to merge with H2O molecules. Trillions of those merged molecules formed one organic cell.
Small, most underdeveloped animals like yellyfish and the like crawled in the seas, until they evolved into fish. Fish somehow managed to get to land via rain forests. They developed fingers at their fins in the swamps, because they had to escape larger predator fish.
The so called istyosthega, which solved the missing Darwin theory link, had 8 fingers. There has a bone been found of a tetrapod (four legged) that the primary legs and evolved from istyosthega. Watch your fingers and you see a very large gap between your thumb and four other fingers. I hope this explains a bit.
Now the concept "soul". I will use "consciousness", instead of soul. Conscious ness is to feel that one is alive, is inside a body.
I believe that consciousness grew from the senses:
- Yellyfish have senses, but no brain. Animals evolved a brain with consciousness.
- Can you think without hearing words, holding an image, ...? No.
The brain is responsible for consciousness. A certain part, called the cerebrum, regulates our thoughts, while our cerebral vortex handles sensory pulses and amygdala takes care of feelings.
What a wonderful explanation, isn't it? Don't start with metaphysics and the like, because they are proven to be false as well.
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