The Real Modern Heritage of the Confederate Battle Flag [W:147]

[Superfly]

So we are left with the flag defenders , in effect, saying "we don't care" if our racist flag offends anyone.

Honestly, this is it in a nutshell.

 

[Longshot Lou]

Was Dylann Roof holding an American flag in his hand ?

I understand your utter desperation to equate the U.S. and confederate flags, but there is nothing about history, or now, that supports that view in any SERIOUS way. Some far right crackpots think we have a communist government, that doesn't make it so. Your allegation that the U.S. was/is just as racist as the CSA is absurd. You are literally denying obvious facts and history to save your right to fly a flag that a good percentage of the population thinks symbolizes hate. Why on earth are you doing that ?

 

[Superfly]

Uh Southern person here, me. Fifth generation Texan. And quite frankly I find the Confederate flag a ****ing embarrassment.

Same here. Southern born, southern bred, spent 40 of my 48 years here, and I hate to see that rag flown anywhere.

 

[Gathomas88]

Honestly, this is it in a nutshell.

Apart from the fact that it's not a "racist flag," but simply a "flag," yes. You're exactly right.

You people clearly don't give a damn about us. Why should we give a damn about you, or what you happen to take offense to?

Honestly, you should just mind your own damn business, as the South was doing before you people decided to start throwing temper tantrums over nothing.

What you may or may not happen to be offended by is your problem, not ours. You have no right not to be offended, and we have no obligation to appease your, or anyone else's, feelings.

 

[Superfly]

Honestly, you should just mind your own business, as the South was doing before you people decided to start throwing temper tantrums over nothing.

The hubris you show here is astounding. It really is.

In your sheltered, homeschooled life, have you ever even met a black person?

 

[Gathomas88]

The hubris you show here is astounding. It really is.

In your sheltered, homeschooled life, have you ever even met a black person?

Dozens. Does it change anything regarding my view of Southern history or symbols?

Not in the slightest. Why would it?

Standing with one's history and heritage in spite of other people's objections isn't "hubris." It's called having a backbone, and an actual sense of identity.

What kind of spineless person abandons their culture simply because someone else doesn't like it?

 

[VanceMack]

Does it change the fact they fought against the US government, killed American soldiers loyal to the country. Nor does it change the fact they lost

How do you feel about the native Indian tribes and their insistence on clinging to their culture and symbols?

 

[Superfly]

Dozens. Does it change anything regarding my view of Southern history or symbols?

Not in the slightest. Why would it?

Standing with one's history and heritage in spite of other people's objections isn't "hubris." It's called having a backbone, and an actual sense of identity.

What kind of spineless person abandons their culture simply because someone else doesn't like it?

Dozens. :lol: 30% of the population in South Carolina is black, yet you've met dozens.

Where did you meet them? Those "dozens" that you've met?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

How do you feel about the native Indian tribes and their insistence on clinging to their culture and symbols?

I am generally fine with people holding one to their culture and symbols.

With the exception of those symbols that do generally represent rather distasteful idea's

Ie Nazi symbols. If a person wants to fly the Confed flag, I say let them, but a government should not, as it does symbolize the promotion of slavery and bigotry in the majority of people in the US

 

[Gathomas88]

Was Dylann Roof holding an American flag in his hand ?

Who cares about a lone nutjob's opinion?

Lock him away, throw away the key, and forget about him. You're giving him and his platform far more credit and influence than they deserves.

I understand your utter desperation to equate the U.S. and confederate flags, but there is nothing about history, or now, that supports that view in any SERIOUS way.

To the contrary, there's really nothing that supports a major difference in a SERIOUS way.

The US was founded under Slavery, and supported it for over eighty years. It then turned right around and wiped out the Native American presence in the West, and supported another 100 years of segregation and other racial discrimination both in and out of the South after the Confederacy was defeated.

Pound for pound, the US flag actually comes out worse here than the Rebel Flag. Anti-Southern Left Wing bigots simply don't care because "racism" was never their true motivation to begin with, so much as simply spiting the South and its comparatively more Conservative culture, as well as pandering to the "victim complex" and racial separatist sentiments of their minority base for the upcoming election.

At the end of the day, this is nothing more than a lot of smoke and mirrors in the greater "culture war."

 

[Gathomas88]

I am generally fine with people holding one to their culture and symbols.

With the exception of those symbols that do generally represent rather distasteful idea's

Ie Nazi symbols. If a person wants to fly the Confed flag, I say let them, but a government should not, as it does symbolize the promotion of slavery and bigotry in the majority of people in the US

Actual polls on the subject disagree. Polls in the South absolutely disagree.

Quite frankly, only the South's opinion even matters here. The rest of the country can fly a kite for all I care.

It's not your culture, and it's not your home, so you don't get a say. In any sane world, it'd be just that simple.

 

[Gathomas88]

Dozens. [emoji38] 30% of the population in South Carolina is black, yet you've met dozens.

Where did you meet them? Those "dozens" that you've met?

Yes, "dozens," along with "dozens" of whites. What's your point? I'm clearly not counting every random person on the street here.

I meet them in the usual places where one tends to meet other human beings - work, out on the town, in passing, and etca.

I still don't see why on Earth I should have to fundamentally alter my belief system or behavior just to better suited the sensibilities of certain individuals of another race. In point of fact, I'm pretty damn sure that I'd be called "racist" for suggesting that a black person do the same to cater to a white person's sensibilities. :roll:

 

[demsoc70]

Lot of bad things happened under the stars and stripes too, so why not get rid of that flag also? Much ado about nothing. The confederate flag issue was started by the demorat party. Since they have fewer and fewer ideas to offer their base since going almost fully corporate and billionaire owned just like the republicans are , they're getting desperate for issues to run on. They certainly won't offer ending the jobs being offshored to low wage countries, which have hurt this country's economy. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders doesn't turn this rebel flag crap , gun control, and homosexual worship, as issues in his campaign.

 

[Longshot Lou]

Who cares about a lone nutjob's opinion?

Lock him away, throw away the key, and forget about him. You're giving him and his platform far more credit and influence than they deserves.



To the contrary, there's really nothing that supports a major difference in a SERIOUS way.

The US was founded under Slavery, and supported it for over eighty years. It then turned right around and wiped out the Native American presence in the West, and supported another 100 years of segregation and other racial discrimination both in and out of the South after the Confederacy was defeated.

Pound for pound, the US flag actually comes out worse here than the Rebel Flag. Anti-Southern Left Wing bigots simply don't care because "racism" was never their true motivation to begin with, so much as simply spiting the South and its comparatively more Conservative culture, as well as pandering to the "victim complex" and racial separatist sentiments of their minority base for the upcoming election.

At the end of the day, this is nothing more than a lot of smoke and mirrors in the greater "culture war."

I'm giving up on you, you are completed delusional.

For your next project you can try and convince us that slavery was actually a good thing for the African 'immigrants' back in the day.

 

[Gathomas88]

I'm giving up on you, you are completed delusional.

Ditto.

For your next project you can try and convince us that slavery was actually a good thing for the African 'immigrants' back in the day.

Lol

Out of curiosity, how many African Americans would say that they'd rather be living in Africa right now if you were to poll them? I'm guessing slim to none.

Hell! The US actually tried sending freed slaves back to Africa at one point. The result was the state of Liberia where Westernized African Americans promptly conquered, colonized, and enslaved the local native Africans, before setting themselves up as the country's ruling class in a plantation society almost exactly like that of the Old South. That system actually survived right up until the 20th Century.

Simply put, history is what it is, and so is human nature. Peoples are either conquerors or conquerees, and often both, at different times. There's really no sense in getting bent out of shape about it after the fact as such.

By holding on to old grudges and perpetual victimhood, modern African Americans really only harm themselves.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Actual polls on the subject disagree. Polls in the South absolutely disagree.

Quite frankly, only the South's opinion even matters here. The rest of the country can fly a kite for all I care.

It's not your culture, and it's not your home, so you don't get a say. In any sane world, it'd be just that simple.

I thought US conservatives disliked multiculturalism?

 

[Longshot Lou]

Ditto.



Lol

Out of curiosity, how many African Americans would say that they'd rather be living in Africa right now if you were to poll them? I'm guessing slim to none.

Hell! The US actually tried sending freed slaves back to Africa at one point. The result was the state of Liberia where Westernized African Americans promptly conquered, colonized, and enslaved the local native Africans, before setting themselves up as the country's ruling class in a plantation society almost exactly like that of the Old South. That system actually survived right up until the 20th Century.

Simply put, history is what it is, and so is human nature. Peoples are either conquerors or conquerees, and often both, at different times. There's really no sense in getting bent out of shape about it after the fact as such.

By holding on to old grudges and perpetual victimhood, modern African Americans really only harm themselves.

LOL. I didn't expect you to actually attempt it. That is interesting. You know the old saying "give him enough rope and ....." Maybe you are the poster boy for that saying.

 

[Gathomas88]

LOL. I didn't expect you to actually attempt it. That is interesting. You know the old saying "give him enough rope and ....." Maybe you are the poster boy for that saying.

I deal in facts, not feelings, and certainly not superficially polite niceties. If you find that to be problematic, it is your failing, not mine.

The simple fact of the matter, I'm afraid, is that nothing I've said here is false. It simply fails to jive with the blatantly irrational and non-factual sensibilities of the modern "P.C." movement, and so you and your ilk feel compelled to reject it.

 

[Gathomas88]

I thought US conservatives disliked multiculturalism?

We dislike being told what to do by tyrannical outsiders even more.

 

[Ryriena]

How do you feel about the native Indian tribes and their insistence on clinging to their culture and symbols?

I'd bet he doesn't give a damn since you know the good old liberal media told him to be upset over the Southren battle flag..

 

[Ryriena]

Lot of bad things happened under the stars and stripes too, so why not get rid of that flag also? Much ado about nothing. The confederate flag issue was started by the demorat party. Since they have fewer and fewer ideas to offer their base since going almost fully corporate and billionaire owned just like the republicans are , they're getting desperate for issues to run on. They certainly won't offer ending the jobs being offshored to low wage countries, which have hurt this country's economy. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders doesn't turn this rebel flag crap , gun control, and homosexual worship, as issues in his campaign.

Sanders seems like he's reasonable actually on the ideas as he says he should be allowed to fly it.

 

[Longshot Lou]

I deal in facts, not feelings, and certainly not superficially polite niceties. If you find that to be problematic, it is your failing, not mine.

The simple fact of the matter, I'm afraid, is that nothing I've said here is false. It simply fails to jive with the blatantly irrational and non-factual sensibilities of the modern "P.C." movement, and so you and your ilk feel compelled to reject it.

Your comments are mostly laughable. That is the beginning and the end of it.

 

[Gathomas88]

Your comments are mostly laughable. That is the beginning and the end of it.

I accept your concession.