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The Problem With the America Police System: pt2

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1. This constant, somebody called something in. bullshit. If a person calls in a gun or something else potentially lethal or abusive... they should have to give their names and have it verified on the spot by the Operator. If it turns out that the call was totally bogus the caller should be fined or jailed.

2. The Operators need to also stop embellishing. If a person calls in and says it looks like a person is tampering with a car then they should get fined or fired if they pass along to the cops that a person IS tampering with a car. The cops come in with a totally different set of expectations.

3. Cops need to be trained on the 1st Amendment. Far too many times they have no idea what the 1st Amendment means or they think that their policies or city laws over-rule the 1st Amendment. What kind of crazy uneducated bullshit are we accepting here?

More to come in prt3
 

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1. This constant, somebody called something in. bullshit. If a person calls in a gun or something else potentially lethal or abusive... they should have to give their names and have it verified on the spot by the Operator. If it turns out that the call was totally bogus the caller should be fined or jailed.

2. The Operators need to also stop embellishing. If a person calls in and says it looks like a person is tampering with a car then they should get fined or fired if they pass along to the cops that a person IS tampering with a car. The cops come in with a totally different set of expectations.

3. Cops need to be trained on the 1st Amendment. Far too many times they have no idea what the 1st Amendment means or they think that their policies or city laws over-rule the 1st Amendment. What kind of crazy uneducated bullshit are we accepting here?

More to come in prt3

More on this case




PULLING GUNS ON a 14 year old ... 7 year old a 2 YEAR OLD GIRLSS

What in the **** is wrong with policing and the Chief thinks it was handled well?
 

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1. This constant, somebody called something in. bullshit. If a person calls in a gun or something else potentially lethal or abusive... they should have to give their names and have it verified on the spot by the Operator. If it turns out that the call was totally bogus the caller should be fined or jailed.

2. The Operators need to also stop embellishing. If a person calls in and says it looks like a person is tampering with a car then they should get fined or fired if they pass along to the cops that a person IS tampering with a car. The cops come in with a totally different set of expectations.

3. Cops need to be trained on the 1st Amendment. Far too many times they have no idea what the 1st Amendment means or they think that their policies or city laws over-rule the 1st Amendment. What kind of crazy uneducated bullshit are we accepting here?

More to come in prt3


The problem with American police is that they have been infiltrated with extremists.
The mainstreaming of prejudice is destroying confidence in police.
There can be no extremism or prejudice in policing.
A good new law would require all police in the USA to wear activated bodycam at all times.
Huge rewards should be offered for police who turn in dirty cops.
 

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1. This constant, somebody called something in. bullshit. If a person calls in a gun or something else potentially lethal or abusive... they should have to give their names and have it verified on the spot by the Operator. If it turns out that the call was totally bogus the caller should be fined or jailed.

2. The Operators need to also stop embellishing. If a person calls in and says it looks like a person is tampering with a car then they should get fined or fired if they pass along to the cops that a person IS tampering with a car. The cops come in with a totally different set of expectations.

3. Cops need to be trained on the 1st Amendment. Far too many times they have no idea what the 1st Amendment means or they think that their policies or city laws over-rule the 1st Amendment. What kind of crazy uneducated bullshit are we accepting here?

More to come in prt3


Are you suggesting that the police be encouraged to not answer calls they deem to be not well enough documented?
 

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Are you suggesting that the police be encouraged to not answer calls they deem to be not well enough documented?

The call came in that someone saw a gun. That's not illegal in that jurisdiction. Concealed carry is perfectly fine.
So, someone called in and reported something completely legal, a "not-a-crime", a nothing-burger.

I'm suggesting that the cops over-reacted by approaching with their guns drawn and immediately handcuffing the guy.
 

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Are you suggesting that the police be encouraged to not answer calls they deem to be not well enough documented?
Sometimes and I would say the same for calls that are just stupid. "Some guy is filming in public" or "some guy has a sign that I don't like" as well.

Then the cops show up... want ID, start lying and trying to intimidate the photographer, false arrest perhaps... etc. Why should cops be there at all?
 

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Standard American shit, not much happened here...
The problem with American police is that they have been infiltrated with extremists.
The mainstreaming of prejudice is destroying confidence in police.
There can be no extremism or prejudice in policing.
A good new law would require all police in the USA to wear activated bodycam at all times.
Huge rewards should be offered for police who turn in dirty cops.
Perhaps they are infiltrated by extremists, but that should be completely irrelevant.
Bodycam activated all the time? OK, but is that enough? They get away with it even when they commit murder, some morons will acquit them.

1. they must be stripped of any immunity
2. they must be subjected to all the criminal laws and possibly additional ones strictly for them
3. the should be judged and convicted strictly by judges that rely on evidence and logic(no jury trials)

The situations in which they can use force, non-lethal weapons and lethal weapons should be clearly enumerated and have their limits precisely specified.

additionally:
- the public should be educated what an emergency means and when to call 911
- 911 operators themselves should know what an emergency is and whether a certain complaint looks like an emergency(someone simply having a gun can't possibly be such a thing, as long as no one was threatened)
- the cops that receive the info from 911 should be able evaluate if a certain situation really requires their intervention or not(which is clearly no the case here)

Why should cops be there at all?
Because the country is a totalitarian hellhole and no one is punished when the cops commit abuses - the legislation which could punish them is missing/they have immunity
 

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Standard American shit, not much happened here...

Perhaps they are infiltrated by extremists, but that should be completely irrelevant.
Bodycam activated all the time? OK, but is that enough? They get away with it even when they commit murder, some morons will acquit them.

1. they must be stripped of any immunity
2. they must be subjected to all the criminal laws and possibly additional ones strictly for them
3. the should be judged and convicted strictly by judges that rely on evidence and logic(no jury trials)

The situations in which they can use force, non-lethal weapons and lethal weapons should be clearly enumerated and have their limits precisely specified.

additionally:
- the public should be educated what an emergency means and when to call 911
- 911 operators themselves should know what an emergency is and whether a certain complaint looks like an emergency(someone simply having a gun can't possibly be such a thing, as long as no one was threatened)
- the cops that receive the info from 911 should be able evaluate if a certain situation really requires their intervention or not(which is clearly no the case here)


Because the country is a totalitarian hellhole and no one is punished when the cops commit abuses - the legislation which could punish them is missing/they have immunity
Police are tasked with a very difficult and dangerous job. Far too often we are now seeing stories of police protecting themselves at the loss of the lives of innocent Americans. If police don't want to be more dedicated to the job than themselves, they should not be on the force.

I have been losing trust and respect for police during the last year after what was seen on January 6th. I now equate thin blue line flags with racism and protecting and serving fellow police rather than the public.
 

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Police are tasked with a very difficult and dangerous job.

Well, it's not that dangerous...

The biggest killer of cops the last 2 years has been...COVID.
And as for jobs in America, the police come in about 18th to 26th place in terms of workplace injuries and fatalities. More dangerous jobs include being a lumberjack, commercial fisherman, farmer, truck driver, garbage man, roofer, construction worker... Yeah. Not that dangerous.
 

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Sometimes and I would say the same for calls that are just stupid. "Some guy is filming in public" or "some guy has a sign that I don't like" as well.

Then the cops show up... want ID, start lying and trying to intimidate the photographer, false arrest perhaps... etc. Why should cops be there at all?

If a complaint is received, it seems the cops should respond.

Once on site, they should exercise as many tactics and as much prudence as is at their disposal to diffuse any tensions AND assure that nobody is hurt.

When the situation is sufficiently controlled, THEN they can dig into the situation's nuance and details.
 

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If a complaint is received, it seems the cops should respond.

Once on site, they should exercise as many tactics and as much prudence as is at their disposal to diffuse any tensions AND assure that nobody is hurt.

When the situation is sufficiently controlled, THEN they can dig into the situation's nuance and details.

Well, they should first follow the law.

They had no reasonable suspicion of a crime. Therefore, there was no legal means for them to detain him or search him.
 

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Police are tasked with a very difficult and dangerous job. Far too often we are now seeing stories of police protecting themselves at the loss of the lives of innocent Americans. If police don't want to be more dedicated to the job than themselves, they should not be on the force.

I have been losing trust and respect for police during the last year after what was seen on January 6th. I now equate thin blue line flags with racism and protecting and serving fellow police rather than the public.

It's too bad that your thinking on this has been so perverted by the political propagandists that have perverted it.

You seem to understand the problems associated with the situations into which these human beings acting as police are placed.

Assuming that the problems encountered are created by police who were called to help solve the already created problems is an interesting twist in your logic.

People seem to do the best they can do with what they have to work with in any moment. They sometimes make bad choices or mistakes.

Police are people. Police usually are dealing with other people. The more people that are involved, the exponentially greater do the chances for idiocy increase.

It is safe to say that problems implied by any interaction between increase when idiots are involved.

From what I've seen in my short life on this planet, police deal with a higher percent of idiots in their daily actions than do most of us.
 

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Well, they should first follow the law.

They had no reasonable suspicion of a crime. Therefore, there was no legal means for them to detain him or search him.

How do you know this?

Reviewing any situation with 20/20 hindsight is easy.
 

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How do you know this?

Reviewing any situation with 20/20 hindsight is easy.

ALL the police had to go off of was the 911 call. ALL that mentioned is that someone saw someone else with a gun.

It didn't say someone was being threatening, pulled it on anyone, there was any kind of altercation, nothing...

Just a guy with a gun.

That's not a crime nor suspicion of a crime.
 

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Standard American shit, not much happened here...

Perhaps they are infiltrated by extremists, but that should be completely irrelevant.
Bodycam activated all the time? OK, but is that enough? They get away with it even when they commit murder, some morons will acquit them.

1. they must be stripped of any immunity
2. they must be subjected to all the criminal laws and possibly additional ones strictly for them
3. the should be judged and convicted strictly by judges that rely on evidence and logic(no jury trials)

The situations in which they can use force, non-lethal weapons and lethal weapons should be clearly enumerated and have their limits precisely specified.

additionally:
- the public should be educated what an emergency means and when to call 911
- 911 operators themselves should know what an emergency is and whether a certain complaint looks like an emergency(someone simply having a gun can't possibly be such a thing, as long as no one was threatened)
- the cops that receive the info from 911 should be able evaluate if a certain situation really requires their intervention or not(which is clearly no the case here)


Because the country is a totalitarian hellhole and no one is punished when the cops commit abuses - the legislation which could punish them is missing/they have immunity
Some basic policy changes would solve so much. Make sure 911 Operators ask the right questions and not just accept what the caller is saying, relay the information accurately, have the cops show up to calls where they are needed... not where the caller wants them and stop, for the love of god, having cops try to ID everybody. So many call out do not require and ID... all the cop is doing is trying to find out of they have warrants, and such. That is not appropriate if you are getting pulled over for a lane violation or jaywalking or noise complaint or so many others.
 

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ALL the police had to go off of was the 911 call. ALL that mentioned is that someone saw someone else with a gun.

It didn't say someone was being threatening, pulled it on anyone, there was any kind of altercation, nothing...

Just a guy with a gun.

That's not a crime nor suspicion of a crime.
Well if they just blew the call off and then someone was injured or killed then you would be here bitching about their lack of action. Screaming look at this vedio that shows the cops did nothing.
Some are never happy!
 

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Well, it's not that dangerous...

The biggest killer of cops the last 2 years has been...COVID.
And as for jobs in America, the police come in about 18th to 26th place in terms of workplace injuries and fatalities. More dangerous jobs include being a lumberjack, commercial fisherman, farmer, truck driver, garbage man, roofer, construction worker... Yeah. Not that dangerous.
Go sign up to be a officer in New York city and tell us how safe and easy it is to be an officer there. Or Chicago?
 

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Well if they just blew the call off and then someone was injured or killed then you would be here bitching about their lack of action. Screaming look at this vedio that shows the cops did nothing.
Some are never happy!

Why you see no middle ground between violating someone’s rights and not doing anything at all is beyond me…
 

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The only thing that stands between order and anarchy is the police dept.

If LEO vanished tomorrow, society would collapse within 72 hours.
 

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ALL the police had to go off of was the 911 call. ALL that mentioned is that someone saw someone else with a gun.

It didn't say someone was being threatening, pulled it on anyone, there was any kind of altercation, nothing...

Just a guy with a gun.

That's not a crime nor suspicion of a crime.

What, exactly, should "the police" have done after receiving the call?
 

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What, exactly, should "the police" have done after receiving the call?

Come, evaluate the situation (there was no disturbance, just a guy walking to his car).
Talk to the complainant -- or at least the caller, because the caller didn't even have first hand knowledge of the non-crime.
Look for a crime?
Maybe start a consensual conversation with the guy that sort of matched the description (he wasn't wearing a "white hoodie" but he was black)

Otherwise...not much.
 
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How do you know this?

Reviewing any situation with 20/20 hindsight is easy.
What is the reasonable suspicion of a crime, based on the 911 call?
 

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What, exactly, should "the police" have done after receiving the call?
Perhaps the 911 operator should be trained better...as in to ask...OK...so you believe the individual has a gun....and....what are they doing that warrants suspicion?

I have a gun. I have a gun legally. I am legally authorized to carry my firearm. What crime do you suspect me of?
 

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Where’s the full, unedited 911 call?
 
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