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Fu_chick said:Well, I don't know if I'd call it a privilege exactly....lol
Gay marriage is seen as evil by most people who are anti-gay marriage. They quote the bible and say that it is unatural or quote the health risk. Beyond those things, they have no argument. A basis in a democracy is rule of the majority but not at the expense of the minority. Here we have a majority (straight people) dictating to those who are homosexual (minority) without any regard to their posistion. The truth is that there is a reason why all these state courts have found gay marriage constitutional, and it isnt because they are activist-its because they can't find a legal reason not to allow it.GarzaUK said:I guess no anti-gay marriage person will answer my question. Maybe they feel guilty. :lol:
GarzaUK said:I admit, I don't know the US constitution like you guys. I'm not sure if marriage is a right or a priviledge in the US.
I am a straight male and I just want to know what makes me better that a gay male to gain the "priviledge" of marriage. Why I'm I more worthy of marriage than a gay man? What have I done to earn the priviledge to get married? - I haven't done anything to earn it, yet I have it.
There has been words banded about in this forum, child molesters, bigots, AIDS.
There are bad gays, there are good gays.
There are bad straights, there are good straights.
There are bad black people, there are good black people.
There are bad white people, there are good white people.. and so on.
The main point is we are all human beings, who are subjectable to right and wrong. The balance of morality hangs over us.
I don't know, I guess I was brought up to judge a person by his character rather than race, creed or sexual preference.
I'm a student, the government pays me to study at university, so im that sense I'm kind of like a leech to the tax papers lol, I don't pay taxes. But hey I'm 21, I can get married.
Then I see a homosexual person who contributes to society, he pays his taxes, he votes for the party of his choosing, he's a decent human being.
Yet he can't marry.
Why?
Because, he's different.
Different?
His sexual preference is in the minority of the people. Not the majority. Some people in the majority don't particularly like that minority.
Tell me, coz I want to know. Is my priveledge to get married because my sexual preference is in the majority? Is that how my priveledge is earned? Because I "fit in"?
ShamMol said:Gay marriage is seen as evil by most people who are anti-gay marriage. They quote the bible and say that it is unatural or quote the health risk. Beyond those things, they have no argument. A basis in a democracy is rule of the majority but not at the expense of the minority. Here we have a majority (straight people) dictating to those who are homosexual (minority) without any regard to their posistion. The truth is that there is a reason why all these state courts have found gay marriage constitutional, and it isnt because they are activist-its because they can't find a legal reason not to allow it.
Montalban said:there is some false logic in your post. An adult male is forbidden from marrying his adult sister. This is simply a restriction on marriage and has nothing to do with me or you feeling 'better' than them... would you support incest being formalised in marriage?
GarzaUK said:You raise a good and valid point, should we allow relations to marry? It actually was more common than most people think in the ancient days. Plus the question of incest arises in the creation story indeed if Adam and Eve were the first and only humans. The Greek and Roman gods were one big incest family, even Roman emperors "dabbled".
The main reason against incest is marriage is because the offspring they produce are not very healthy and have brain defunctions due to the close genetic makeup of his/her mother and father. It would inhumane to bring up a child in this way, and even some conservatives would opt for abortion in these cases. But this happens anyway regardless of marriage.
My opinion is if a father/daughter (age of consent)etc.. wants to get married and start a relationship it is personally none of my business regardless of how much it disgusts me.
They would have to prepared for the consequences however (in this world there always are), this includes being shunned from society.
However you have to ask yourself if incest marriages are not taking place. All it needs is one member of the couple to get a fake identity.
Montalban said:In part I disagree: The main reason has nothing to do with genetics; because it is an age old taboo, despite the fact that there are certain historical occurences; some Roman emperors (notably Gaius aka Caligula and his sister Drusilla), and other monarchs (Egypt, Hawaii et al). The Jews banned it well before genetics was known.
Montalban said:Why does it disgust you?
Montalban said:Do you think a man should be allowed to marry an animal? (Or at least have sex wtih one?)
Gandhi>Bush said:Two Consenting Adult HUMAN BEINGS that are homosexual don't have a chance of destroying gene pools.
Cledius and Mary Lou from Arkansas really do have that chance.
Montalban said:Would you support the rights of an adult man to marry his adult sister?
Frankly, it doesn't.Gay marriage is seen as evil by most people who are anti-gay marriage. They quote the bible and say that it is unatural or quote the health risk. Beyond those things, they have no argument. A basis in a democracy is rule of the majority but not at the expense of the minority. Here we have a majority (straight people) dictating to those who are homosexual (minority) without any regard to their posistion. The truth is that there is a reason why all these state courts have found gay marriage constitutional, and it isnt because they are activist-its because they can't find a legal reason not to allow it.
ShamMol said:But, hell, why not, I will answer your question. I do support their right to marry on the condition that they change their location for their own protection from those who would severly disapprove in their town(I don't think this is same for those who are homosexual) and that they not be allowed to have children who will most likely be deformed. That is a pure health reason and safety reason. Now, you will now ask me the following-what about STDs and homosexuals? With the right education, with time that will lessen the risk, but it is a risk to any group, not just homosexuals who practice unsafe sex. The key to preventing that is through sexual education.
How about this. If the majority's morality doesn't impede on the minority's, and the minority's morality doesn't impede on the majority's...then it's a moot point. Everyone can go their own way and shut the fudge up. :mrgreen:akyron said:Let us say it is a question of morals and the majority have no right to impose their moral values on the minority.
Does the minority have the right to impose their moral values(or lack of as some may claim) on the majority?
The essence of a democracy is right of the majority but not at the expense of the minority. Ensuring that the rights of the minority are not infringed upon isn't their dictating to you how you have to act.akyron said:Let us say it is a question of morals and the majority have no right to impose their moral values on the minority.
Does the minority have the right to impose their moral values(or lack of as some may claim) on the majority?
shuamort said:How about this. If the majority's morality doesn't impede on the minority's, and the minority's morality doesn't impede on the majority's...then it's a moot point. Everyone can go their own way and shut the fudge up. :mrgreen:
justiceisboughtnotblind said:Gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to be married , not a legal union , a marriage , at a church or wherever they would like, they deserve the right to be known as a married couple and be granted all the sime rights are straight people who are married.
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