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Well, one problem is that plenty of those people shouldn't be in prison because what they are in there for shouldn't be illegal, anyway. That, and puttiing people in prison for minor crimes is counter productive.
So, how should we actually enforce punishments for these 'minor' crimes then?
If you beat the **** out of your wife, and you get probation, and a part of that probation is to not go near the residence of the now ex- wife or communicate with her, and you do it. Then what the **** should the courts do? Shake a finger at someone? Or lock them up?
When we start beating people, then there will be an outcry about that.Fines, Corporal Punishment, Community Service, namely. Those ar all more effective than having to pay for people to sit in prison, around other innames, where they can learn to be better criminals at public expense.
Many other countries have much lower incarceration, namely due to less ridiculous laws and much more effective non-prison punishments.
For example, I support the Singapore Solution :mrgreen:
Its a misdemeanor, which is a crime that results in less than one year maximum punishment incarcerated.I really wouldn't onsider spousal abuse and beatings to be a minor crime, would you?
AKA, Drugs and Prostitution......I am talking about crimes wherein the perps don't actually pose a threat to the life or body of anyone.
When we start beating people, then there will be an outcry about that.
You know damn well that would never fly in our "touchy-feely" society we've created.
AKA, Drugs and Prostitution......
How did I know...
Every single prison thread turns into OMFG DRUGS DRUGS!
I honestly think these prison threads are just a way to discuss legalization of marijuana without creating another 'obvious' legalization thread, since we've beat that dead horse and its really become an uninteresting debate.
AKA, Drugs and Prostitution......
Don't forget gambling, simulated child pornography, underage sexting, making moonshine, and a long list of regulatory violations. If we limited crimes only to those things that actually hurt people who do not choose to be at risk of harm then we would find prison getting a lot more spacious.
Most of that **** you talked about isn't making anyone do prison time either......
Jails are too crowded because people brake laws, not because there are too many of them. How many guys in the prison didn't know what they did to get in there was illegal?
You are simply wrong, my friend.
As Lao Tzu once said, "the more laws you create, the more criminals you create." It makes sense. Care to offer your solution to the overcrowded problem? Is it to just simply build more walls and more bars?
As Lao Tzu once said, "the more laws you create, the more criminals you create." It makes sense. Care to offer your solution to the overcrowded problem? Is it to just simply build more walls and more bars?
Fines, Corporal Punishment, Community Service, namely. Those ar all more effective than having to pay for people to sit in prison, around other innames, where they can learn to be better criminals at public expense.
You are simply wrong, my friend.
I think we should make prisons labor camps, that way they can work and fund themselves. This gives the state more money to build more prisons, which solves the problem.
Technocratic, you have zero idea who is incarcerated in state & federal prisons. People aren't there for possession of marijuana. Why don't you do a little research on the BJA website and see if you can figure out, for yourself, why your solution is stupid.
By the way, did you know that our murder rate is 10x that of most other civilized countries? The same holds true with other serious violent crimes.
Underage sexting (because underage don't go to prison).......
Making Moonshine. Because its not the act of making a single bottle of moonshine, its making and selling mass quantities of moonshine... they get you on the liquor tax violations.
"Other "regulatory" "... if you can't even define it, it probably isn't punishable by longer than one year incarceration, which means no prison.
Actually, people who use drugs are placed into prisons.
You're misinformed. We place a lot of people into prisons who don't belong there, and often, with harder criminals.
:roflThey go to kiddie prison a.k.a. juvenile detention.
No.. not for "making" moonshine. They go to prison for making mass quantities and then SELLING said moonshine, and avoiding the TAX to be paid on said moonshine.So wait, you agree people do go to prison for making moonshine?
Misdemeanors are any crime that is punishable by less than one year in custody. These crimes are typically handled by local jails. Someone being sentenced to 30 days isn't going to a PRISON.I didn't define it because there are far too many to list. Also how does "one year incarceration" translate into "no prison" for you?
:rofl
How much do you actually know about the juvenile justice system????
From this statement... very, VERY ****ing little.
Can't even get kids put in juvenile detention for breaking into cars and stealing them at 14 years old, how the **** do you think they are going to do it for sexting?
Get real.
No.. not for "making" moonshine. They go to prison for making mass quantities and then SELLING said moonshine, and avoiding the TAX to be paid on said moonshine.
Also, many of the crimes that people do in which they eventually go to PRISON for, they were originally sentenced to some sort of probation, and because they couldn't abide by the ****ing terms and conditions of their probation like any normal human being with any value, they DESERVE to be in PRISON.
I think you are getting any punishment for which there could possibly be custodial sentencing, and actual PRISON mixed up.
Prove it. What percentage of prison inmates are there for simple possession?